A near death experiencer describes hell???

DennisTate · Sep 30, 2019

nolidad said:
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

If you think there is repentance after death, what Scriptures are you relying on!

Ezekiel chapter thirty seven......
combined with Multiverse Theory.... non-linear time.........

Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

DennisTate · Sep 30, 2019

nolidad said:
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

If you think there is repentance after death, what Scriptures are you relying on!

Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."

Mat 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Luk 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.

Shrewd Manager · Oct 1, 2019

If you think there is repentance after death, what Scriptures are you relying on![/QUOTE]

Hah. I see what you did there brother.

Well here it is...get ready...wait for it...wait....and...

God's judgment saves!

Here is the judgment, man loves his sin and is condemned to die by it. So he needeth serious divine help! So God sends Jesus, his mission: to save man from sin, death and the devil. But many still can't or won't come across, so ultimately God neutralises the enemy agents (the Babylon, the counterfeit trinity, death and hell). And then he throws the unsaved into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15), from whence they emerge renewed in Christ (Rev 21:5, 21:24-26), and come on in to get the healing (Rev 22:2). And they can look back at the repugnant corpses of their former selves, a barrel of wormy sludge (Isa 66:24), but there's no more tears and pain, no more curse (Rev 21:4, 22:3). It's the good life.

God gives death a death sentence and creation a life sentence.

DennisTate · Oct 1, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Hah. I see what you did there brother.

Well here it is...get ready...wait for it...wait....and...

God's judgment saves!

Here is the judgment, man loves his sin and is condemned to die by it. So he needeth serious divine help! So God sends Jesus, his mission: to save man from sin, death and the devil. But many still can't or won't come across, so ultimately God neutralises the enemy agents (the Babylon, the counterfeit trinity, death and hell). And then he throws the unsaved into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15), from whence they emerge renewed in Christ (Rev 21:5, 21:24-26), and come on in to get the healing (Rev 22:2). And they can look back at the repugnant corpses of their former selves, a barrel of wormy sludge (Isa 66:24), but there's no more tears and pain, no more curse (Rev 21:4, 22:3). It's the good life.

God gives death a death sentence and creation a life sentence.

I really like how you worded that......
Wow!!!!

Shrewd Manager · Oct 1, 2019

DennisTate said:
I really like how you worded that......
Wow!!!!

Thank you brother, there's nothing wrong with being inspired by the scriptures and the power of God now, is there?

For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom 8:38-39)

DennisTate · Oct 1, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Thank you brother, there's nothing wrong with being inspired by the scriptures and the power of God now, is there?

For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom 8:38-39)

Isaiah 9:7 "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus warned about hell more than any other
in the Bible. Hell is real......
but since the kingdom of Messiah will increase and increase and increase... it seems like a time is coming when something changes about hell..... but... I do believe the testimonies of people who saw hell.

nolidad · Oct 1, 2019

DennisTate said:
Isa 22:14 "The LORD of Heaven's Armies has revealed this to me: “Till the day you die, you will never be forgiven for this sin.” That is the judgment of the Lord, the LORD of Heaven's Armies."

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)

The got for Azazel of Leviticus 16 :10 seems to be typified by Bar Abbas / Barabbas. Azazel according to the Book of Enoch that was part of Christian canon for five centuries was King of the Watchers................ they are watching all of us as we come to deeper and deeper levels of repentance.

I have to read between the lines in this chapter... but there seems to be hope there....

Ezekiel 32

Eze 32:27 They are not buried in honor like their fallen heroes, who went down to the grave[fn] with their weapons—their shields covering their bodies[fn] and their swords beneath their heads. Their guilt rests upon them because they brought terror to everyone while they were still alive.

Eze 32:30

¶
“All the princes of the north and the Sidonians are there with others who have died. Once a terror, they have been put to shame. They lie there as outcasts with others who were slaughtered by the sword. They share the shame of all who have descended to the pit.

Romans 9
Romans 10
Romans 11

23 And they also, if they continue not in their unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wast cut out of that which is by nature a wild olive tree, and wast grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree; how much more shall these, which are the natural [branches], be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in; 26 and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 And this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins.

28 As touching the gospel, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake.

29 For the gifts and the calling of God are not repented of.

30 For as ye in time past were disobedient to God, but now have obtained mercy by their disobedience, 31 even so have these also now been disobedient, that by the mercy shown to you they also may now obtain mercy.

32 For God hath shut up all unto disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past tracing out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things. To him [be] the glory for ever. Amen.

We all would like to think that god would grant repentance to the dead because suffering for eteernity is a harsh harsh thing! But unfortunately there is no evidence. As you said you have to read between the lines (eisegesis instead of exegesis) and that is always dangerous!

Remember the true story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16. The rich man did not ask for repentance, and Jesus said there was a gulf that neither side could pass!

nolidad · Oct 1, 2019

BobRyan said:
"the living know that they will die but the dead know not anything" Eccl 9:5

Luke 16 is a parable where no appeal at all is made in the form of a prayer to God -- rather it is a "prayer to Abraham" where the sovereign of all dead saints is Abraham and he is the one to be prayed to. It is a parable not a historic account.

Nothing in the account of Lazarus leads one to believe it is a parable.

Jesus did not use comparative terms. It would be th eonly parable that Jesus named names, and Jesus started the account with "There was a man...". As Jesus is Lord of Grammar - I don;lt think He would be as sloppy as we are!

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2019

nolidad said:
Nothing in the account of Lazarus leads one to believe it is a parable.

Everything about it leads one to believe it is a parable.

1. Prayers to the dead
2. Appeals to the sovereign of all saints in heaven... Abraham... not God.
3. The idea that real fingers touching real tongues in hell -- could bring relief.
4. the wide open corridor of open communication between the wicked in hell and Abraham
5. All the saints in Abraham's lap.

it comes up as the last parable in a long string of parables that start 2 chapters before that.

Not surprising then that Bible commentary authors like Burton Coffman, Matthew Henry , Albert Barnes...etc state that it is a parable.

Not too surprising that R.C Sproul, Martin Luther, John Lightfoot and many others admitted that it is a parable

nolidad said:
Jesus started the account with "There was a man...". As Jesus is Lord of Grammar - I don;lt think He would be as sloppy as we are!

Judges 9... another parable with "it is like" or any such thing being used.
“Listen to me, you men of Shechem,
That God may listen to you!

8 “The trees once went forth to anoint a king over them.
And they said to the olive tree,
‘Reign over us!’
9 But the olive tree said to them,
‘Should I cease giving my oil,
With which they honor God and men,
And go to sway over trees?’

10 “Then the trees said to the fig tree,
‘You come and reign over us!’
11 But the fig tree said to them,
‘Should I cease my sweetness and my good fruit,
And go to sway over trees?’

12 “Then the trees said to the vine,
‘You come and reign over us!’
13 But the vine said to them,
‘Should I cease my new wine,
Which cheers both God and men,
And go to sway over trees?’

===================================

Interesting detail is that even in this parable the only way the dead (even dead saints) can contact the living ... is to first be bodily resurrected

Der Alte · Oct 1, 2019

BobRyan said:
"the living know that they will die but the dead know not anything" Eccl 9:5

Ecclesiastes 9:5 is often quoted by heterodox groups trying to support annihilationism, but always out-of-context. The phrase "under the sun" occurs 29 times in Ecclesiastes. Of that 6 times in chapter 9.

Ecc_9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.
Ecc_9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecc_9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.
Ecc_9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Ecc_9:13 This wisdom have I seen also under the sun, and it seemed great unto me:

The author of Eccl is not talking about what happens in this life, under the sun, in vs. 3 and vs. 6 and change to man's eternal fate in vs. 5.
The same author in chap. 3 did not know what happens to a man's spirit when he dies.

Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man, whether it goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast, whether it goeth downward to the earth?

Luke 16 is a parable where no appeal at all is made in the form of a prayer to God -- rather it is a "prayer to Abraham" where the sovereign of all dead saints is Abraham and he is the one to be prayed to. It is a parable not a historic account.

The account of Lazarus and the rich man lacks the elements of a parable. A parable compares or contrasts the kingdom of God, which is unknown or misunderstood with something with events situations something people do know about.
Somewhere, sometime a widow lost coins, a shepherd lost sheep, a wayward son squandered his inheritance. Other than a rich man and a beggar living and dying nothing was known by the people.
The account is not introduced as a parable and Jesus did not explain it to his disciples later.
All of the unquestioned parables refer to anonymous people a certain man, a certain widow, a certain land downer. The Lazarus account names two people Lazarus and Abraham who was an actual historical person, Abraham.
If it is a parable what is its meaning. Google it and you will find many "explanations" what it supposedly means.
If Abraham was not in the place and did not say the words Jesus quoted, then Jesus is a liar.
All of the ECF who quoted or referred to the story considered it to be factual.

• Irenaeus Against Heresies Book II Chapter XXXIV.-Souls Can Be Recognised in the Separate State, and are Immortal Although They Once Had a Beginning.
Ireneaeus, [120-202 AD], was a student of Polycarp, who was a student of John.
1. The Lord has taught with very great fulness, that souls not only continue to exist, not by passing from body to body, but that they preserve the same form [in their separate state] as the body had to which they were adapted, and that they remember the deeds which they did in this state of existence, and from which they have now ceased,-in that narrative which is recorded respecting the rich man and that Lazarus who found repose in the bosom of Abraham. In this account He states that Dives [=Latin for rich] knew Lazarus after death, and Abraham in like manner, and that each one of these persons continued in his own proper position , and that [Dives] requested Lazarus to be sent to relieve him-[Lazarus], on whom he did not [formerly] bestow even the crumbs [which fell] from his table.
ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
• Clement of Alexandria [A.D. 153-193-217] The Instructor [Paedagogus] Book 1
On the Resurrection.
This was the day. “And a certain poor man named Lazarus was laid at the rich man’s gate, full of sores, desiring to be filled with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table.” This is the grass. Well, the rich man was punished in Hades, being made partaker of the fire; while the other flourished again in the Father’s bosom.
• Tertullian A Treatise On The Soul [A.D. 145-220.]
In hell the soul of a certain man is in torment, punished in flames, suffering excruciating thirst, and imploring from the finger of a happier soul, for his tongue, the solace of a drop of water. Do you suppose that this end of the blessed poor man and the miserable rich man is only imaginary? Then why the name of Lazarus in this narrative, if the circumstance is not in (the category of) a real occurrence? But even if it is to be regarded as imaginary, it will still be a testimony to truth and reality . For unless the soul possessed corporeality, the image of a soul could not possibly contain a finger of a bodily substance; nor would the Scripture feign a statement about the limbs of a body, if these had no existence.
• Tertullian Part First A Treatise On The Soul Chapter 57
9. Moreover, the fact that Hades is not in any case opened for (the escape of) any soul , has been firmly established by the Lord in the person of Abraham, in His representation of the poor man at rest and the rich man in torment.
• The Epistles Of Cyprian [A.D. 200-258] Epistle 54 To Cornelius, Concerning Fortunatus And Felicissimus, Or Against The Heretics
Whence also that rich sinner who implores help from Lazarus, then laid in Abraham’s bosom, and established in a place of comfort, while he, writhing in torments, is consumed by the heats of burning flame, suffers most punishment of all parts of his body in his mouth and his tongue, because doubtless in his mouth and his tongue he had most sinned.
• Methodius Fragments On The History Of Jonah [A.D. 260-312]
But souls, being rational bodies, are arranged by the Maker and Father of all things into members which are visible to reason, having received this impression. Whence, also, in Hades, as in the case of Lazarus and the rich man, they are spoken of as having a tongue, and a finger, and the other members; not as though they had with them another invisible body, but that the souls themselves, naturally, when entirely stripped of their covering, are such according to their essence.

nolidad · Oct 1, 2019

DennisTate said:
Ezekiel chapter thirty seven......
combined with Multiverse Theory.... non-linear time.........

Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

Well multiverse is not a theory but a very loose hypothesis- it has no evidence. And you forget in Roans that is says God consigned ALL to disobedience that He MAY(conditional) have mercy.Don't forget what Jesus said- Enter in the strait gate.... for those who end in destruction is forever!

Once again there is nothing in the Bible that says the dead can turn to Christ and be saved!

Remember also
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Their torment ascends forever and ever!

nolidad · Oct 1, 2019

DennisTate said:
Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."

Mat 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Luk 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.

You are confusing the judgment of nations and cities prior to the millenial kingdom as is written with the great white throne judgment which is just for individuals at the end of time

nolidad · Oct 1, 2019

BobRyan said:
Everything about it leads one to believe it is a parable.

1. Prayers to the dead
2. Appeals to the sovereign of all saints in heaven... Abraham... not God.
3. The idea that real fingers touching real tongues in hell -- could bring relief.
4. the wide open corridor of open communication between the wicked in hell and Abraham
5. All the saints in Abraham's lap.

it comes up as the last parable in a long string of parables that start 2 chapters before that.

Not surprising then that Bible commentary authors like Burton Coffman, Matthew Henry , Albert Barnes...etc state that it is a parable.

Not too surprising that R.C Sproul, Martin Luther, John Lightfoot and many others admitted that it is a parable

Judges 9... another parable with "it is like" or any such thing being used.
“Listen to me, you men of Shechem,
That God may listen to you!

8 “The trees once went forth to anoint a king over them.
And they said to the olive tree,
‘Reign over us!’
9 But the olive tree said to them,
‘Should I cease giving my oil,
With which they honor God and men,
And go to sway over trees?’

10 “Then the trees said to the fig tree,
‘You come and reign over us!’
11 But the fig tree said to them,
‘Should I cease my sweetness and my good fruit,
And go to sway over trees?’

12 “Then the trees said to the vine,
‘You come and reign over us!’
13 But the vine said to them,
‘Should I cease my new wine,
Which cheers both God and men,
And go to sway over trees?’

===================================

Interesting detail is that even in this parable the only way the dead (even dead saints) can contact the living ... is to first be bodily resurrected

Well the rich man wasn't praying to Abraham. That is an old English word!

Second , I guess you do not know that until Jesus ascended into heaven all the saved went to the compartment of hell known as Abrahams Bosom/Paradise. The other two compartments are called the place of torments and Tartarus. Abrahams bosom is a place title- if you read the bible 100 times you should know that by now!

And it was common knowledge (though not biblical) that the lost and righteous could see each other in hell/sheol/hades/the grave/ the underworld of the dead. As well as talk!

So if this is a parable like all th eother- who do Lazarus, the rich man and Abraham stand for? What is the meaning of the parable according ot you? Jesus uses no comparative words, uses nothing that was considered an allegory and was not common accepted knowledge as real in those days.

So tell us the meaning?

DennisTate · Oct 1, 2019

nolidad said:
Well the rich man wasn't praying to Abraham. That is an old English word!

Second , I guess you do not know that until Jesus ascended into heaven all the saved went to the compartment of hell known as Abrahams Bosom/Paradise. The other two compartments are called the place of torments and Tartarus. Abrahams bosom is a place title- if you read the bible 100 times you should know that by now!

And it was common knowledge (though not biblical) that the lost and righteous could see each other in hell/sheol/hades/the grave/ the underworld of the dead. As well as talk!

So if this is a parable like all th eother- who do Lazarus, the rich man and Abraham stand for? What is the meaning of the parable according ot you? Jesus uses no comparative words, uses nothing that was considered an allegory and was not common accepted knowledge as real in those days.

So tell us the meaning?

But if you take the time to study some of these near death experience accounts you will find that they do fit very well with many scriptures.

I think that there is a good percentage of unconverted people who could be led to salvation partly through these testimonies.

Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

d. His Description of the Horrors of Hell

They were still somewhere on the surface of the Earth; but no living person or beings of light could be seen. Before them was a plain jammed with hordes of spirits who are the most miserable and angriest beings he has ever seen. Many were engaged in hand-to-hand combat with no weapons - trying in vain to hurt and kill those who didn't agree with them. A lot of verbal abuse could be heard between them as their thoughts could be heard by everyone around them the moment they are thought. Ritchie is horrified as he wonders what living in such a realm would be like - a place where you cannot hide from who you really are. These spirits were locked into destructive thought-patterns, rage and uncontrollable lust. Some were trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. The wailing coming from the hordes of unsatisfied spirits was tremendous. Other spirits were in despair saying things such as, "I always knew!" and "Didn't I warn you!" Ritchie realizes this place is truly hell. Their obsessive thoughts and emotions extended beyond the physical realm and into the spiritual realm where they cannot be satisfied. Yet there was nothing preventing any of the poor spirits in these realms from leaving. There was no condemnation coming from Jesus either - only compassion for these miserable spirits. Ritchie realizes Jesus hadn't abandoned any of them here. Instead they fled from the light to escape from having the darkness of their heart from being revealed.

e. His Observations of the Temple of Wisdom

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie's Temple of Wisdom and Heavenly City Experience: They then travel to a completely different realm where some kind of enormous university is located. Spirits dressed as monks busily and happily engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. An enormous library exists here where all the important books of the universe are assembled. Ritchie asks Jesus if this is heaven. These are the spirits of people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth; but, like the spirits in hell, these spirits cannot see Jesus either.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 1, 2019

DennisTate said:
accurate

No.
The nda (as described so far) contradicts Yahuweh's Word, Plan and Purpose in Salvation in Jesus.

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2019

nolidad said:
Well the rich man wasn't praying to Abraham. That is an old English word!

You are looking for the greek term in Luke 16 for Abraham? It's probably something like
Ἀβραάμ Abraam

nolidad said:
Second , I guess you do not know that until Jesus ascended into heaven all the saved went to the compartment of hell known as Abrahams Bosom/Paradise.

Well I do know the following;

1. no text in OT or NT says that - only this parable where we have prayers to the dead. And even it does not say "until Jesus ascended into heaven all the saved went to the compartment of hell known as Abrahams Bosom/Paradise"

2. what is more NO TEXT in OT or NT says that another name for Paradise is "Abrham's bosom"

3. There are in fact only 3 uses of the term "paradise" in all of scripture and none say they are abraham's bosom

nolidad said:
Second , I guess you do not know that until Jesus ascended into heaven all the saved went to the compartment of hell known as Abrahams Bosom/Paradise. The other two compartments are called the place of torments and Tartarus.

if you read the Bible 100 times you will never find that hell has a compartment in it called "Paradise" or that Paradise is one of the compartments in hell, or that Paradise is the first compartment of hell or any such thing as that in scripture.

Now my statement is pretty well a blanket statement covering all of scripture -- so I am making it as easy as could possibly be for someone who actually has such a text to prove that I am mistaken.

DennisTate · Oct 1, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
No.
The nda (as described so far) contradicts Yahuweh's Word, Plan and Purpose in Salvation in Jesus.

Hioward Storm went from being a Skeptic to being a zealous Christian due to his near death experience!

If our church teaches Soul Sleep..... and if we put our church ahead of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus then we would be unable to accept NDE accounts.

Blade · Oct 1, 2019

For me.. there is no word of God to back this up. Coming from whom? "near death experience".. ok which ones? They are NOT all the same. Were talking about "experiences" and then running with some of them as if they are fact/truth. No matter out of ALL the wonderful experiences I have had with God about God.. it does not move me 1st. Its not why I believe. That is not the answer. The story.. sounds good..feels good on and on. That is not truth.

Maybe this will help "if you want to go to heaven, you live your life with love. You will go to heaven". Does this help? Christ said " I am the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me" If you want to go to Heaven.. JESUS Christ is the only door

DennisTate · Oct 1, 2019

Blade said:
For me.. there is no word of God to back this up. Coming from whom? "near death experience".. ok which ones? They are NOT all the same. Were talking about "experiences" and then running with some of them as if they are fact/truth. No matter out of ALL the wonderful experiences I have had with God about God.. it does not move me 1st. Its not why I believe. That is not the answer. The story.. sounds good..feels good on and on. That is not truth.

Maybe this will help "if you want to go to heaven, you live your life with love. You will go to heaven". Does this help? Christ said " I am the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me" If you want to go to Heaven.. JESUS Christ is the only door

2 Corinthians 12

2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.

3 And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth), 4 how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

5 On behalf of such a one will I glory: but on mine own behalf I will not glory, save in [my] weaknesses.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 1, 2019

DennisTate said:
Hioward Storm went from being a Skeptic to being a zealous Christian due to his near death experience!

If our church teaches Soul Sleep..... and if we put our church ahead of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus then we would be unable to accept NDE accounts.

(I don't know why you bring up souls sleep, it doesn't matter for this topic)

I'm not positive this is about what Howard Storm teaches, and can't confirm it at this time, perhaps you can ?
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"Quote:

Bottom line, we are not condemned for sinning. Just ask for forgiveness. And try to learn from your mistakes so you don't make them anymore.

That sounds pretty Christian, doesn't it?
No. It really doesn't. Christianity doesn't teach that there no consequences for sin. It teaches that God became flesh, lived among us, then died on a cross to pay the penalty for our sin. It was a big consequence.

If this guy is saying that we are forgiven and we just need to "try harder" then he's teaching a false Gospel--and should not be believed."

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