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Does God love himself more than us?

My answer is 'yes,' because while we are objects of God's affection, the reason for that isn't because of who we are, but because of Christ. We were loved in Christ before the foundation of the world, and we are created for his glory, the very thing he loves most of all. I've heard some people say that this sounds egotistic and arrogant, not just from unbelievers, that he loves himself and his glory more than us, and loves us through himself and his glory. But is that really wrong for God to do? If God did not love himself above all others, wouldn't that be a form of idolatry? Putting others above the one that should be loved the most? I see that if our greatest happiness is his glory, then he must necessarily share in that and cannot descend any lower than that. His glory is exceeds far above his love for us, and his love for us is in light of his glory and through Jesus Christ in whom we were created.

What are your thoughts?
 
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What does it mean that 'God is love'?

Well if love was sunshine, and God was the sun, then you could say that he shines on himself. Therefore in a way he loves himself?
 
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Well if love was sunshine, and God was the sun, then you could say that he shines on himself. Therefore in a way he loves himself?

Interesting analogy.

If God is love, essentially and eternally, then all that he loves he loves in himself?
 
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I can't help but wonder why people can't see that the inventor of existence, cause-and-effect, logic, thought, meaning --even very fact itself, not to mention the whole universe or even multiverse --and is sovereign, not under obligation to anyone or any principle, is not arrogant nor egotistical (a humanly understood concept that cannot apply to First Cause). There is no way we can understand the scope of his greatness. Our words become meaningless.
 
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Interesting analogy.

If God is love, essentially and eternally, then all that he loves he loves in himself?

God said we are his body and the members. Then you could say he loves his body at minimum? 1 Corinthians 12:27 "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."
 
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Does God love himself more than us?

My answer is 'yes,' because while we are objects of God's affection, the reason for that isn't because of who we are, but because of Christ. We were loved in Christ before the foundation of the world, and we are created for his glory, the very thing he loves most of all. I've heard some people say that this sounds egotistic and arrogant, not just from unbelievers, that he loves himself and his glory more than us, and loves us through himself and his glory. But is that really wrong for God to do? If God did not love himself above all others, wouldn't that be a form of idolatry? Putting others above the one that should be loved the most? I see that if our greatest happiness is his glory, then he must necessarily share in that and cannot descend any lower than that. His glory is exceeds far above his love for us, and his love for us is in light of his glory and through Jesus Christ in whom we were created.

What are your thoughts?
I believe you have firm footing in the Psalms and especially in the Prophets.

When YHWH declares in Ezekiel 36, that He will unilaterally make Israel clean He says so not for their sake but for the sake of His Name.

Ezekiel 36: NASB


16Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 17“Son of man, when the people of Israel lived in their land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds. Their behavior before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman’s impurity. 18So I poured out My wrath upon them because of the blood they had shed on the land, and because they had defiled it with their idols.

19I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered throughout the lands. I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20And wherever they went among the nations they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of the LORD, yet they had to leave His land.’ 21But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they had gone.

22Therefore tell the house of Israel that this is what the Lord GOD says: It is not for your sake that I will act, O house of Israel, but for My holy name, which you profaned among the nations to which you went. 23I will show the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations—the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when I show My holiness in you before their eyes.


24For I will take you from among the nations and gather you out of all the countries, and I will bring you back into your own land. 25I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.

28Then you will live in the land that I gave your forefathers; you will be My people, and I will be your God. 29I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will summon the grain and make it plentiful, and I will not bring famine upon you. 30I will also make the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field plentiful, so that you will no longer bear reproach among the nations on account of famine.

31Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your iniquities and abominations. 32It is not for your sake that I will act, declares the Lord GOD—let it be known to you. Be ashamed and disgraced for your own ways, O house of Israel!

33This is what the Lord GOD says: On the day I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will cause the cities to be resettled and the ruins to be rebuilt. 34The desolate land will be cultivated instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass through. 35Then they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden. The cities that were once ruined, desolate, and destroyed are now fortified and inhabited.’
 
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God said we are his body and the members. Then you could say he loves his body at minimum? 1 Corinthians 12:27 "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."
I think the OP covered that by mentioning this love through Christ Jesus.
 
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Yes of course, and I'm a "show me the scripture that says it" kind of person.
I always tend to remember “This is My Beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased. Listen to Him.”
 
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I always tend to remember “This is My Beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased. Listen to Him.”

What would you say to someone that argued that God loves us more than himself. Quoting scripture that demonstrates that he gave up his own life to save ours? Isn't that a sign of someone that loves his children more than his own soul? Self sacrificing?

I'm wondering how to reason that out.
 
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What would you say to someone that argued that God loves us more than himself. Quoting scripture that demonstrates that he gave up his own life to save ours? Isn't that a sign of someone that loves his children more than his own soul? Self sacrificing?

I'm wondering how to reason that out.
1Jn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
 
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What would you say to someone that argued that God loves us more than himself. Quoting scripture that demonstrates that he gave up his own life to save ours? Isn't that a sign of someone that loves his children more than his own soul? Self sacrificing?

I'm wondering how to reason that out.
It was through Jesus Christ Son of the Living God this love comes to us.

In Paul’s epistles he makes it clear in many areas that all we have is in Christ, through Christ and with Christ.

In Christ

Through Christ

With Christ

With Him
 
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Does God love himself more than us?

My answer is 'yes,' because while we are objects of God's affection, the reason for that isn't because of who we are, but because of Christ. We were loved in Christ before the foundation of the world, and we are created for his glory, the very thing he loves most of all. I've heard some people say that this sounds egotistic and arrogant, not just from unbelievers, that he loves himself and his glory more than us, and loves us through himself and his glory. But is that really wrong for God to do? If God did not love himself above all others, wouldn't that be a form of idolatry? Putting others above the one that should be loved the most? I see that if our greatest happiness is his glory, then he must necessarily share in that and cannot descend any lower than that. His glory is exceeds far above his love for us, and his love for us is in light of his glory and through Jesus Christ in whom we were created.

What are your thoughts?
If God were unitarian, I would find the argument silly. Since God is Trinitarian, then you could say there is love between all of the trinitarian persons.
 
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Does God love himself more than us?

My answer is 'yes,' because while we are objects of God's affection, the reason for that isn't because of who we are, but because of Christ. We were loved in Christ before the foundation of the world, and we are created for his glory, the very thing he loves most of all. I've heard some people say that this sounds egotistic and arrogant, not just from unbelievers, that he loves himself and his glory more than us, and loves us through himself and his glory. But is that really wrong for God to do? If God did not love himself above all others, wouldn't that be a form of idolatry? Putting others above the one that should be loved the most? I see that if our greatest happiness is his glory, then he must necessarily share in that and cannot descend any lower than that. His glory is exceeds far above his love for us, and his love for us is in light of his glory and through Jesus Christ in whom we were created.

What are your thoughts?
God is love, light and Spirit according to the scriptures. He does not love himself more than us, because we are made in Their image. The three being One, the Father, all knowingc the Word, what He speaks, His very thought, and the Spirit which manifests His will! God is love! This is the very essence of God, love! Scripture also tells us God, this love, light and Spirit is in and through all things. God simply says, I AM the Great I AM...He knows nothing outside of His self. The Word is put forth and the Spirit manifests with power! God said let US make man in OUR image and later it says He breathed the breath of life which is Ruach in Hebrew meaning Spirit. The Spirit becomes one with our spirit when attached to the vine, God/Christ meaning annointed with the Spirit! It really is amazing! It is done unto you as you believe, according to your faith, Christ tells us. Walk in love, for God is love! Dwell in love and let love dwell in you! Then when you ask, believing that you receive, you will have the petition you desire. Glory to God!
 
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