Before I formed you in the womb I knew you

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Pretty much what it says, I'd bet.

In what way did God know Jeremiah before He was born?
In an omniscient, i.e., all knowing, way. God is God, after all.

If he was "appointed" does he have a choice in if he is going to accept that appointment?
If God appoints one to something I'd say the discussion phase is over.

Could the devil have stopped him from accomplishing the purpose that God had for him and his life?
Nope. Old Nick is a creature, and exists at all only by God's sufferance. He can no more stop a direct command of God than King Canute could stop the tide.
 
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Then he had the freedom to choose to be obedient or to not be obedient.
In the end Jonah's choice didn't make much difference, did it? He did what God had told him to do, even though he didn't want to at all.
 
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Anyone want to give a shot at what they think this means? In what way did God know Jeremiah before He was born? If he was "appointed" does he have a choice in if he is going to accept that appointment? Could the devil have stopped him from accomplishing the purpose that God had for him and his life?

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand" (Psalm 139:16,17,18)

Someone struggling to fit scripture in with the church doctrines, are they?
It means exactly what it says, and it's not just talking to that one person.
 
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So Jonah had to work out his own salvation by learning to love and care about others.
There's no indication that he did any such thing, though, is there? His last words in the Scripture were "It is better for me to die than to live." If he learned "to love and care about others" it isn't recorded in Scripture, and it sure doesn't look like he was headed down that road.
 
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Anyone want to give a shot at what they think this means? In what way did God know Jeremiah before He was born? If he was "appointed" does he have a choice in if he is going to accept that appointment? Could the devil have stopped him from accomplishing the purpose that God had for him and his life?

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand" (Psalm 139:16,17,18)

Good verses indeed. A few scattered thoughts. God "knew" Jeremiah before he was born because God is the author of time. He sees past, present and future at a glance- not like us humans. We can barely plan for tomorrow but God's calculations can take in tens of thousands of years at a glance. A no-name cattle herder becomes father of a multitude of faith 3000 years later. God's calculations are beyond human understanding.

The verse can also refer to "knowing" spiritually- that is God takes him up in future purpose, what he will be in future service to God. Every true believer is "known" in this way. Hence it makes perfect sense that the overcome in Revelations gets a "new name"- that name will no doubt reflect what he has been In Christ, according to God's will. Final outcomes may be quite baffling to human understanding. People despised and looked down upon now for example, will shine forth brightly in a day to come, and the high-and-mighty now, will be humbled then. God "knows" the final outcome of His people. Jeremiah basically had to take on everybody, he was a hated unpopular figure, but God "knew" his man, and what he would accomplish before he was called home.

As for the appointment, Jeremiah had a choice as all humans do. He could have rejected the call, and suffered spiritual loss now and in the future time to come. People can get temporary material gain now, but suffer painful loss later. Jonah likewise could have refused to heed God talking to his conscience and simply have gone down with the ship. God does not force his blessing or His call on anyone. Jonathan was a stand up guy, and could have come into much greater blessing had he gone with David, but he chose to stay with his father Saul, and met a sad end, slaughtered and stripped by the Philistines on Mount Gilboa. Satan can move to block or hinder answer to God's appointment. He may succeed for a time, but God usually brings His people back to recovery and service, provided they have open ears and hearts.

Psalm 139
"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand" (Psalm 139:16,17,18)

This is David bowed in awed reverence and wonder at who God is. It is a verse too that looks back at his life, and how God was working in it, to bring David into conformity to God's will and blessings. Many Christians can look back over the years and wonder at the way God has brought them through, but also look back and see how God hasn't through many struggles and trials made them a better person- less proud, less arrogant, less corrupt, less mean-spirited, more spiritual, more subject to His will. As we go through these lessons, we see that we are really undeserving of God's goodness. If we were to bluntly examine our own lives, strip away all the BS pride and excuses, and harshly without sentiment lay it on the line for examination, we would wonder how God in mercy could save us, and raise us up. But he has, to us the undeserving, in the person of a Man, Christ.

Its a learning process no doubt. Like Isaiah 32 says:

Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.

And a man shall be as a hiding-place from the wind, and a covert from the storm;
as brooks of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a thirsty land.

And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken;

and the heart of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the
stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly.
--Isaiah 32: 1-4
 
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Anyone want to give a shot at what they think this means? In what way did God know Jeremiah before He was born? If he was "appointed" does he have a choice in if he is going to accept that appointment? Could the devil have stopped him from accomplishing the purpose that God had for him and his life?

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand" (Psalm 139:16,17,18)
The prophets of old trained to be prophets. Perhaps some would take training as a matter of family tradition. With that in mind it reads to me that God was assuring Jeremiah that from before he was born, he'd been called to be a prophet.

The matter of the devil trying to stop Jeremiah from running his race and finishing his course, is a given.
 
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Yahweh formed/forms us, determines the time and place of our births, has a plan for our lives written in books in heaven, and thinks about us more than the grains of sands. Plus as believers, our names are in the Book of Life.

"For You formed my innermost parts; You knit me [together] in my mother’s womb” Psa 139:13
-“Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?” Mal 2;10

“And he made from one man every race of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted epochs and the fixed boundaries of the places where they would live;” (Acts 17:26)

"who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time eternal,” II Tim 1:9

"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you , plans to give you hope and a future," Jer 29:11

""Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee." PSA 139:16-18

Book of Life ""I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.(Phil 4:3)
 
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This is tough because on the one hand it clearly represents that abortion is evil.

On the other hand it would mean that God uses out of wedlock intercourse, rape, artificial insemination, and other such methods to create people.

So maybe there's a meaning we haven't comprehended.

But if I had not married her my son would not have been born. My son was very glad that he was born and that we brought him into the world.

I believe the opposite. This proves that abortion is of no consequence....even though it still isnt expedient.

This takes life and death out of our hands and put it back into the Lord's.

We exist before bodies are created....therefore, the removal of one body, or one's choice not to have children is of no consequence(for those other than the ones committing the act). There is no reason to believe that when God knows us....he picks a specific woman for us to be born to, and if that woman decides that she doesnt want children, or aborts, God says "Oh well, I tried......Go into heaven instead" THis is ludicrous to me....the idea that the One who knows all, and knows us before we are even a thought, physically , can be surprised, or have His plan changed by an act of Man.

There are souls waiting for bodies....and God knows them all.......They will wait until a body is ready for them......and they will, all of them, get bodies no matter how many bodies are destroyed or how many men refuse to father child.

For God is the author and giver of life, and this power cannot be taken from Him.
 
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I believe God works/speaks in our lives in many ways, a lot of times very mundane ways that we overlook. I could cite several things that have happened in my life that were actually no more important than buying a loaf of bread...but at the same time...when reflected upon, was an incident that proved the Father loves his children and does speak and guide them. When that realization comes it is euphoric, even if in the midst of what might taken as misfortune. I had one of those last night. Sort of a Jonah story in a way.

A grandson's vehicle needed a repair. When we got it back from the mechanic it had something else wrong with it. It was causing me distress because I'd had him send the vehicle to a new mechanic rather than the trustworthy one I've always used for a stupid reason on my part. How does one confront a mechanic that perhaps he didn't do the job properly or make sure everything was in order before sending it back to us? I hate that sort of confrontation because the mechanic could easily say that the problem pre-existed to when the vehicle was given to him for the other repair and we're just scamming. In the middle of that mental distress my grandson found a nail in the tire of his other vehicle. Oh, boy. But that nail caused me to go back to my regular guy to fix the tire and at the same time, I told him about the other issue and he's going to look at the car tomorrow and fix whatever needs fixing. I believe that nail was a nudge directed by Father to the place I should have gone in the first place. If it costs me more $$$ so be it...I avoided a confrontation that was unwanted and perhaps pay a bit of penance for not taking the vehicle where I should have in the first place.
 
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I believe the opposite. This proves that abortion is of no consequence....even though it still isnt expedient.
Abortion is a choice and life is always the right choice to make. I understand it is not always the most easy choice. Children that are aborted go to heaven and they will never have the experience of living here on the earth. We can tell them stories of what life was like here, but they will never have the experience for themselves. They will receive all of their education in Heaven. Even there are books that talk about the schools that the children in Heaven attend and how good life is for them there. If their parents do not make it to heaven then other family members will take care of them or they will be adopted. I had a dream about my daughter in Heaven. She had something like 50 or 60 family members that check up on her and make sure she is taken care of. They leave her a gift so I can count them to see how many people have visited her. Of course they are all brand new in the box, she does not actually play with any of them. Or maybe she does and things always look new in Heaven.
 
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The matter of the devil trying to stop Jeremiah from running his race and finishing his course, is a given.
We need to deliver God's message or He will hold us accountable. People may get mad for the message we deliver but it is even worse to deal with God if we do not deliver the message to them.
 
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People despised and looked down upon now for example, will shine forth brightly in a day to come, and the high-and-mighty now, will be humbled then. God "knows" the final outcome of His people.
Jesus came as a servant. So if we we need to humble our-self before God and He will lift us up.
 
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There is no reason to believe that when God knows us....he picks a specific woman for us to be born to, and if that woman decides that she doesnt want children, or aborts, God says "Oh well, I tried......Go into heaven instead" THis is ludicrous to me....the idea that the One who knows all, and knows us before we are even a thought, physically , can be surprised, or have His plan changed by an act of Man.
We receive all of our gifts, talents and abilities at conception. God writes the book of our life before we are even born. My daughter never even made it to the womb and God had already written the book of her life.

"How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand;when I awake, I am still with You. " Psalm 139:17,18
 
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Anyone want to give a shot at what they think this means? In what way did God know Jeremiah before He was born? If he was "appointed" does he have a choice in if he is going to accept that appointment? Could the devil have stopped him from accomplishing the purpose that God had for him and his life?

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand" (Psalm 139:16,17,18)
From my perspective, God knew who and what Jeremiah was going to be and what he was going to do, and appointed Jeremiah because of that foreknowledge. This does not mean that he interfered with the man's will to make real choices.
 
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I believe the opposite. This proves that abortion is of no consequence....even though it still isnt expedient.

This takes life and death out of our hands and put it back into the Lord's.

We exist before bodies are created....therefore, the removal of one body, or one's choice not to have children is of no consequence(for those other than the ones committing the act). There is no reason to believe that when God knows us....he picks a specific woman for us to be born to, and if that woman decides that she doesnt want children, or aborts, God says "Oh well, I tried......Go into heaven instead" THis is ludicrous to me....the idea that the One who knows all, and knows us before we are even a thought, physically , can be surprised, or have His plan changed by an act of Man.

There are souls waiting for bodies....and God knows them all.......They will wait until a body is ready for them......and they will, all of them, get bodies no matter how many bodies are destroyed or how many men refuse to father child.

For God is the author and giver of life, and this power cannot be taken from Him.
No more ludicrous than God creating people he knows will reject him before they're ever created, thus landing them in hell.
 
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Anyone want to give a shot at what they think this means? In what way did God know Jeremiah before He was born? If he was "appointed" does he have a choice in if he is going to accept that appointment? Could the devil have stopped him from accomplishing the purpose that God had for him and his life?

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand" (Psalm 139:16,17,18)

The word "know" when it is between persons means to have a personal, loving relationship with a person, as in "Adam knew Eve." God is saying to Jeremiah that he loved him before he was born. That idea also means that he appointed him. It didn't keep him from lamenting his situation in life, which God accepts just as he did with Job and David. We have here God's deciding before we are born, in fact, before he created anything (Ephesians 1:3-14; Romans 8:28-31), his plans for a believer's life.

However, we are also fully responsible for all our actions. For example, I felt God's call to the ministry on the farm after God saved me at 16. When I attended college, because of the required Greek major, I rebelled against that call and went into English teaching and sales management, after considering history, philosophy, and biology for my major. Then, God sent me to seminary using 10 events, including our son's death. I was a pastor in 7 churches during 27 years until he sent me into retirement to combine all my careers into one, writing Christian books.

I'm responsible for my rebellion, but God was guiding me into English teaching to prepare me for writing. God did not cause but allowed Keith's death in order to guide me back into the center of his will, all a mystery to me but true.
 
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Anyone want to give a shot at what they think this means? In what way did God know Jeremiah before He was born? If he was "appointed" does he have a choice in if he is going to accept that appointment? Could the devil have stopped him from accomplishing the purpose that God had for him and his life?

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand" (Psalm 139:16,17,18)
Before Jeremiah was conceived, God already knew his individual spirit.

This reminds us of the how God said He would send John the Baptist, told ahead of time:

1 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves. 3 Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty.

4 “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.

5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.”

Malachi 4 NIV

And God did send him:
Luke 1:17 And he will go on before the Lord in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

As Christ confirmed also for us:

11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Matthew 11 NIV

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God knows our individual spirits before conception.

As further shown for instance:
Ecclesiastes 12:7 before the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

The individual spirit is not from the physical body, but is from God.
 
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