yeshuaslavejeff said:
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It seems to me quite clear that most of the motives and reasons and practices and teachings and purposes that are the reason for and/or that go along with these topis are
UN- Biblical.
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that Jesus parousia would occur within the lifetime of His apostles.
(Matt 24:34,
Mark 13:30,
Luke 21:32,Matt 16:28,
Luke 9:27,Matt 10:23)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that all things written would be fulfilled at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
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Luke 21:20-22)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that as it was in Noah's day, So would the coming of the Son of Man be. The wicked would be taken in Judgement, and the rightesous would be "left behind" on earth.
(Matt 24:37-41)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that salvatiion was not complete until Christ returned.
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Hebrews 9:28)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that The way to heaven was not opened until the Temple was destroyed.
(
Hebrews 9:8)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that on the "new earth" Birth, death, ageing and sinners would continue to exist.(
Isaiah 65:17-21,
Revelation 21 & 22)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that Christ is an invisible King, He was to come "in His kingdom" and that the coming of His kingdom would be "unobservable"
(1Timothy 1:17,
Luke 17:20)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that Christ, Lord of the Vineyard, personally came back and took the kingdom from the Jews, destroying them at that time, and gave it to the church, who is the holy nation that bears it's fruits.
(Matt 21:33-43, 1Peter 2:9)
The Bible,and therefore preterism, teaches that the Church is the "Israel of God" and the only heir to the promise of Abraham. (Gal 6:16)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that the true inheritance of Abraham is not earthly, but the better country of Heaven. (
Hebrews 11:16,
1 Peter 1:4)
The Bible, and therefore preterism, is true and correct.
LittleLambofJesus said:
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Good post mkgal.
Do you agree with a lot of the views of Partial Preterism concerning much of the Olivet Disourse and much of Revelation was fulfilled in the 1st century?
From where I am now (and what I've studied - which I still have a LOT more to contemplate and read through with fresh eyes and mind ) I believe so......but I'm reserving my right to change my mind
I can't help but believe God had a hand in having Josephus be a witness to the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem. It should me a must reading for Christians, imho.
[which would decimate the ranks of futurism
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History of the Destruction of Jerusalem & Josephan Studies Archives
HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE
"During the Middle Ages, Josephus was the most widely read ancient author in Europe.. Josephus' literary influence had no equals, with the sole exception of the Bible."
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted
THE DESTRUCTION OF
JERUSALEM, &C.
THE goodness of God stamps all his proceedings. It has please Him not only to communicate to mankind a revelation, which, to the pious mind, bears in its
internal texture its own evidence and recommendation, but also to accompany it with such
external proofs of a sacred origin, as seem calculated to strike, with irresistible conviction, even those who are least disposed to admit the truth of the Holy Scriptures. In order to evidence their divine authenticity, God has done as much as man could possibly have required.
[1] For, supposing that it had been referred to mankind to have prescribed for their own satisfaction, and that of their prosperity, the credentials which His messengers should bring with them, in order to authenticate the divinity of their mission, could the wisest and most skeptical amongst men have proposed, for this purpose, any thing more conclusive than,
1st.
Demonstrations of power, surpassing every possible effect of human skill and effort -- and
2dly.
Intelligence relative to the future events and circumstances of nations and individuals, which no human sagacity would ever pretend to foresee or predict ?
If such had been the evidences demanded, what addition to them could possibly have been suggested ? Is it in the human mind to imagine any tests of divine authority better adapted, sooner or later, to expose the artifices, and frustrate the designs, of an imposter ? In vain will the profoundest policy attempt to discover means more suitable to this purpose, and, with respect to the reception of the revelation itself, more perfectly fitted to banish all reasonable doubt on the one hand, and to invalidate the charge of credulity on the other. Now these, precisely,
are the credentials with which it has pleased God to sanction the testimony of his inspired messengers, as recorded in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament. THEY WROUGHT MIRACLES : THEY FORETOLD FUTURE EVENTS. Thus all that man himself could demand has been given, and objectors are left entirely without excuse.
JESUS CHRIST, the principal of those messengers, like his illustrious types and predecessors Moses and Elijah, proclaimed and attested his divine mission at once by miraculous acts, and by prophetic declarations. His miracles were numerous, diversified, and performed in various parts of his native country ; they were not frivolous tricks, calculated merely to excite wonder and gratify curiosity, but acts of substantial utility and benevolence. They were publicly, but not boastingly and ostentatiously, displayed -- in the presence not of friends only, but also of enemies -- of enemies exasperated to malignity against him, because he had censured their vices and exposed their hypocrisy, and who were actuated by every motive which a spirit of revenge could suggest to incurable prejudice, to induce them to detect the imposition of his miracles, if
false, and to deny and discredit them, if
true. To
deny them they did not attempt, but they strove to sink them in disrepute, and thereby furnished a striking specimen of those embarrassing dilemmas, into which infidelity is continually betraying her votaries. They ascribed them to the agency of Satan ; thus representing him, "who was a liar from the beginning," as contributing to the diffusion of the truth -- "the spirit that worketh in the children of disobedience" as promoting the cause of holiness and as co-operating in the
overthrow of his own kingdom, with HIM who "was manifested to destroy the works of the Devil!!!"
The prophecies of our Lord, as well as his miracles, were many, and of great variety. They were not delivered with pomp and parade, but rose out of occasions, and seem to have resulted, for the most part, from his affectionate solicitude for those who then were, or might afterwards become, his disciples. While the fulfillment of some of these predictions was confined to the term of his mission and the limits of his country, the accomplishment of others extended to all nations, and to every future age of the world.
Of the prophecies which have already been fulfilled, few, perhaps, are so interesting in themselves, or so striking in their accomplishment, as those which relate to the
destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple, and the signal calamities which every where befel the Jewish nation. The
chief of our Lord's predictions, relative to these events, are contained in Matt. 24 ch. Mark, 13 ch., Luke 21 ch., Ib. 19 ch. 41-44 ; Ib. 23 ch. 27-30 : and we may with confidence appeal to the
facts which verify them as conclusive and incontrovertible proofs of the divinity of his mission. Before, however, we enter upon this illustration, it may be gratifying to the reader, and add considerably to the interest of many of the subsequent pages, to give in this place a brief description of that renowned city and its temple.