THE TRUE "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY/SUPERSESSIONISM" OF THE BIBLE

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The true form of "Replacement Theology" replaces the one seed, with the many seeds, in Galatians 3:16.
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Also see: Rapture refuted

Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.

"Replacement theology" or "supersessionism" is the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

John Hagee and others who oppose "replacement theology" are rank false teachers whom apostle Paul condemns as "fallen from grace, severed from Christ". (Gal 4:10; 5:4; Rom 7:1-7; Jer 31:31 + Heb 8:6-13)


DON'T CALL US ANTI-SEMENTIC

The vast majority of churches believe and teach "replacement theology". Churches that oppose "replacement theology" including John Hagee, are in the minority. Those who believe in Replacement Theology love the state of Israel and are among her strongest supporters!

Just because we do not feel modern Israel is any more special in the eyes of God than Canada or the USA, we defend and support the only democracy in the Middle east and consider Israel our primary ally in the world of Islamic Nuclear Jihad and terrorism.
We believe that Israel was granted legal title to the historic promised land through the Balfour Declaration (1917) and the League of Nations "Mandate for Palestine" of December 1922. We believe that "Palestinians" is a fictitious title for a "people" that never existed in history, except for the nation from which it owes its origin: Philistines (ie. Goliath) who are a long extinct nation. We do not believe Israel is an occupier or "Apartheid State".
We are neither "far-left" or "progressive" and condemn "Israel Apartheid Week" as a delusional pack of lies. We do not believe Israel is a "cursed nation". We oppose those who boycott Israel and prefer Israeli made products over anything made in Muslim countries because of their high quality. In fact, we admire and applaud how well Israel treats those in Gaza and the West Bank, given the number of terrorist attacks Muslims launch upon the peace loving, hard-working civilian Jewish population.

We reject the "two state solution" of Dividing Israel up into a militarily indefensible nation because the Koran is the problem. Those living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip already have the "two state solution" provided for in the "Mandate for Palestine"… the entire nation of "Jordan"! SO DON'T CALL US ANTI-SEMETIC. It makes you look dumb and uninformed.

Like all Christians we believe all Jews, Muslims and unbelievers are lost until they believe Jesus rose from the dead, repented and are immersed in water for the remission of their sins… and by the way, Jesus was a Jew NOT a Palestinian.

Jesus was born a Jew and lived as a Jew, keeping the Law of Moses perfect and sinless. IT ANGERS US THAT JEWS REFUSE TO ACTUALLY READ THE NEW TESTAMENT. But we still love Israel and support her as a democratic nation!
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Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.

Christians are God's true "Jews" today, Israel is the church!

You believe in Replacement theology if…

Most churches teach replacement theology so this should be quite easy for you to see…

  1. …you believe the Bible when it says Christians are the true Jews today: Romans 2:28-29: "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. ", "for we [Christians] are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, " (Philippians 3:3)
  2. …you believe that Israel is the church: "For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel [church] of God." (Galatians 6:15-16) The peace in this passage is for those who walk according to Christ so CANNOT refer to fleshly/physical Israel that utterly rejects Christ.
  3. …you believe Jews must believe in Jesus to be saved and are as lost as Muslims and atheists until they do. (Jn 3:16; Jn 14:6)
  4. …you believe the New Testament (second covenant) of Jesus Christ replaced the Old Testament (first covenant) Jer 31:31 + Heb 8:6-13
  5. …you believe that keeping both the First and Second covenants at the same time is like a woman married to two men at the same time (Romans 6:1-7)
  6. …you believe the body of the Christian is the temple that God dwells in today not some building made of stone, wood or curtains. (1 Cor 3:16; 6:19-20)
  7. …you believe the Saturday Sabbath was abolished and Christians worship on the first day of the week (Sunday).
  8. …you believe the calendar of 7 Jewish feasts are not to be kept by Christians: Passover (Pesach), Unleavened Bread (Chag Hamotzi), First Fruits (Yom habikkurim), Pentecost (Shavu'ot), Trumpets (Yom Teru'ah), Atonement (Yom Kippur), Tabernacles (Sukkot).
  9. …you believe that the entire law of Moses has been abrogated and replaced by the law of Christ and that if you want to keep just one part of the law of Moses, YOU MUST KEEP IT ALL!
  10. …if you believe that you do not need to be circumcised to be saved. Acts 15:1-3
  11. …if you believe there is no distinction in the mind of God towards all men: Jew or gentile, rich or poor, male or female (Gal 3:28-29)

    The church is true Israel and

    Christians are God's true "Jews" today.
    (Left: Jewish High Priest)


    1. Christians are the true Jews and true Israel today
    2. The church is God's Israel today.
    3. Physical Israel is equal to the gentiles today and like the Gentiles, must believe Jesus rose from the dead in order to be saved from punishment.

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Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.

The church is true Israel and Christians are God's true "Jews" today.


Introduction:
1. "Replacement theology" or "supersessionism" is what those who teach the Rapture call the apostolic doctrine that physical Israel was replaced by the Spiritual church and Jews by blood were replaced by Jews by faith.
2. Premillentialists are carnal at their foundational core. They literalize all the clearly spiritual passages that are applied to the church and instead apply them 2000 years later to modern Israel.
3. Jesus taught that God would take his blessings away from fleshly Israel who rejected him as Christ and give it to the Gentiles. Jesus clearly taught the Gentile believers would replace Jewish non-believers.
a. "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. " (Matthew 21:43)
b. The Jews who heard this understood what Rapture false teachers today refuse to see: "When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. " (Matthew 21:45)
4. The Bible clearly teaches that God's true Jews today are Christians:
a. "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. " (Romans 2:28-29)
b. "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation. Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God [Christians]. " (Galatians 6:15-16)
c. "for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, " (Philippians 3:3)
5. Even the apostolic fathers of the first and second century believed and taught "replacement theology":
a. "Christians are the True Israel" (Justin Martyr, Dialogues, Chapter CXXIII, 130 AD)
b. "As therefore from the one man Jacob, who was surnamed Israel, all your nation has been called Jacob and Israel; so we from Christ, who begat us unto God, (like Jacob, and Israel, and Judah, and Joseph, and David,) are called and are the true sons of God, and keep the commandments of Christ" (Justin Martyr, Dialogues, Chapter CXXIII, 130 AD)
c. "Christ is King of Israel, and Christians are the Israelitic Race. (Justin Martyr, Dialogues, Chapter CXXXV, 130 AD)
d. "As, therefore, Christ is the Israel and the Jacob, even so we, who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ, are the true Israelitic race." (Justin Martyr, Dialogues, Chapter CXXXV, 130 AD)
e. "For all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in their hearts.' ... But though a man be a Scythian or a Persian, if he has the knowledge of God and of His Christ, and keeps the everlasting righteous decrees, he is circumcised with the good and useful circumcision, and is a friend of God, and God rejoices in his gifts and offerings." (Justin Martyr, Dialogues, Chapter XXVIII, 130 AD)...........................................
 
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Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.

Conclusion:

1. "Replacement Theology" or "Fulfillment Theology", also known as "Supersessionism" is the true Bible doctrine that Christians and the Church of Christ replaced the Jews and the nation of Israel.

2. Jesus taught Replacement Theology.

3. The apostles taught Replacement Theology.

4. The apostolic fathers like Justin Martyr taught Replacement Theology.

5. There is no special plan of salvation today for the Jews. There is one gospel and Jews and Gentiles must obey the same gospel and be saved exactly the same way.

6. There is nothing in the bible that teaches that at the end of time, God will bring Israel back to Canaan and offer them alone a special salvation merely because they are blood descendants of Abraham.

7. There is no distinction in God's eyes today between Jews and Gentiles. Jews who reject Jesus Christ as their messiah are in exactly the same spiritual state as Hindus, Muslims or atheistic evolutionists.

8. There is not a Jew alive that can prove his Jewish heritage through genealogy.
 
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Just some slight corrections, there’s no evidence Islam goes back to Ishmael, and the Jews as a majority forfeited their covenant with Abraham the moment they rejected Christ and it was given to the Gentiles. Anyone who believes in Christ Jew or gentile has the covenant anyone who rejects that him is in heresy and is outside of the covenant.

Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that produces the fruits of the kingdom

Matthew 21:43

Also despite my more pro Israel leaning in the conflict in the Middle East I could point out some of its serious flaws which I think can no longer be ignored. Israel’s stance on the Syrian regime in Syria has been a mistake and a wasted opportunity for peace, and Israel’s nationality law that is in favor of its Jews over other minorities. I could point out a few mistakes Israel has made here and there. I wouldn’t say Israel is peace loving as much as the US or Russia is. Is Israel a bloodthirsty merciless expansionist state, no not as much as any other military power is. Also there is no such thing as replacement theology, the covenant has merely gone from Israel to the rest of the world, so now we are all Israel, it was the Jews who chose to keep themselves outside of this covenant in heresy. The Gentiles in the end just proved to be more righteous as a majority then the Jews did in responding to the Gospel and believing in it. The Jews haven’t been replaced, they just chose to reject the covenant and it spread to all nations. Now the Church is Israel it simply now includes Jews and Gentiles.
 
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Just some slight corrections, there’s no evidence Islam goes back to Ishmael, and the Jews as a majority forfeited their covenant with Abraham the moment they rejected Christ and it was given to the Gentiles. Anyone who believes in Christ Jew or gentile has the covenant anyone who rejects that him is in heresy and is outside of the covenant.

Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that produces the fruits of the kingdom

Matthew 21:43

Also despite my more pro Israel leaning in the conflict in the Middle East I could point out some of its serious flaws which I think can no longer be ignored. Israel’s stance on the Syrian regime in Syria has been a mistake and a wasted opportunity for peace, and Israel’s nationality law that is in favor of its Jews over other minorities. I could point out a few mistakes Israel has made here and there. I wouldn’t say Israel is peace loving as much as the US or Russia is. Is Israel a bloodthirsty merciless expansionist state, no not as much as any other military power is. Also there is no such thing as replacement theology, the covenant has merely gone from Israel to the rest of the world, so now we are all Israel, it was the Jews who chose to keep themselves outside of this covenant in heresy. The Gentiles in the end just proved to be more righteous as a majority then the Jews did in responding to the Gospel and believing in it. The Jews haven’t been replaced, they just chose to reject the covenant and it spread to all nations. Now the Church is Israel it simply now includes Jews and Gentiles.
Thank you for responding.........Nice post which I agree with.........
 
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John Hagee and others who oppose "replacement theology" are rank false teachers whom apostle Paul condemns as "fallen from grace, severed from Christ". (Gal 4:10; 5:4; Rom 7:1-7; Jer 31:31 + Heb 8:6-13)

So, according to your view, those who disagree with supercessionism aren't true Christians?

Galatians is about whether gentile Christians have to follow Jewish law, and isn't about supercessionism.
 
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So, according to your view, those who disagree with supercessionism aren't true Christians?
Galatians is about whether gentile Christians have to follow Jewish law, and isn't about supercessionism.
Hello Rubiks and thanks for posting.
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Does that go for Messianic Jews and SDAs [7th daySabbatarians] who follow also follow Jewish Law?

There are both Christian Jews and non-Jewish Christians, but in Christ Jesus, there is neither Jew nor Gentile......Do you agree?

Now let's look at this passage of Paul----- pre 70AD and compare it to Revelation 3:9

Romans 16:20
The yet God of the Peace shall be crushing the Satan under the feet of ye In Swiftness.
The grace of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with ye.

Jesus refers to "false Jews" in Revelation, does that mean Revelation Anti-Jewish? Of course not! Revelation is simply a Covenantle change of Priesthoods......OC/Temple vs NC/Spirit.

Revelation 2:10 "tribulation 10 days"

Rev 2:9
“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9
“Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but are falsifiers
indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.


John 8:44

`Ye out of a father the Devil<1228> are, and the desires<1939> of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing.
That one a man-killer was from beginning, and in the Truth not has stood, that not is Truth in him.
Whenever he may be talking, the falsehood out of the own/P he is talking, that a falsifier he is and the father of it.
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Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.

4. The Bible clearly teaches that God's true Jews today are Christians:

a. "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. " (Romans 2:28-29)

b. "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation. Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God [Christians]. " (Galatians 6:15-16)

c. "for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, " (Philippians 3:3)
 
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What/who is "the Israel of God"?

G.K. Beale - Peace and Mercy Upon the Israel of God: Partial Preterist Section @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterism and Preterist Eschatology

Peace and Mercy Upon the Israel of God: The Old Testament Background in Galatians 6:161
By G.K. Beale
Biblica 80 (1999) 204-223

Discussions of the Old Testament background of "new creation" in Gal 6,15 and its relation to v. 16 have heretofore been general and have not targeted any particular OT passage. This essay sets out to demonstrate that the phrase "peace and mercy" has its most probable background in the Old Testament promise of Israel’s restoration in Isaiah 54. In the light of this background the mention of the "marks" of Jesus on Paul’s body in v. 17 makes excellent sense.

from exile: "Lovingkindness and truth have met together, and righteousness and peace have kissed each other" (Ps 84,10).

Outside of Isa 54,10 e!leoj ("mercy") and ei)rh/nh, ("peace") occur in close combination (within a seven-word range) in the LXX only in Ps 84,11 (= MT 85,11)15 and Tobit 7,12 (the latter occurring in only one version of the LXX in an insignificant context which refers to a personal wish of blessing bestowed on one person to another)16. Outside of these passages, the combination does not occur elsewhere (in an eight-word range) until the use in Galatians and in subsequent early Christian literature of the early church fathers17. This evidence shows that the combination of "mercy and peace" was not a typical part of formulaic benedictions in early Judaism nor a part of typical conclusions in early Hellenistic epistolary literature.

The occurrence in the LXX of Ps 84,11 is a literal rendering of the Hebrew given above, yet the combination of e!leoj and ei)rh/nh also occurs only two verses earlier in vv. 8-9 in almost the same close proximity: "Show us your mercy (e!leoj) and give to us your salvation. Hear what the Lord God will speak through me: he will speak peace (ei)rh/nh) upon his people and upon his saints, and upon those who turn their heart toward him". Interestingly, the promised condition of the peace and mercy of restoration is also referred to as an "enlivening" ("you will turn and you will enliven [zww/seij]

I. Peace and Mercy in Galatians 6,16b and New Creation in Isaiah 54 and other OT texts

Verse 16b explains the blessing upon those who line up their lives according to the elemental, ethical rule of the new creation: "peace and mercy be upon them and (or "even") upon the Israel of God". Though the dominant notion of this "peace and mercy" pertains to God’s blessing upon people, it probably has overtones of the effect of that blessing: the ethical demeanor of striving for unity among those who live in the new creation. This is a positive way of saying that they are not people who have become "boastful ones, ones challenging one another, envying one another" (5,26).

This last expression of v. 16 has undergone explosive debate. Some understand "the Israel of God" to be a further definition of the preceding "them", so that the entire Galatian church, Jewish and Gentile believers together, are referred to as true Israel. Grammatically, this view is certainly possible, since the kai/ can be rendered as appositional or explicative: "even", "that is", or "namely"2, with the resulting translation: "peace and mercy be upon them, that is, upon the Israel of God" (so RSV, New Living

SUMMARY

This essay has contended that Paul’s reference to "new creation" and the pronouncement of "peace and mercy" on the readers in Gal 6,15-16 is best understood against the background of Isa 54,10 and the surrounding context of similar new creation themes elsewhere in Isa 32–66, which are echoed also earlier in Galatians, especially in 5,22-26. The analysis confirms those prior studies which have concluded that "the Israel of God" refers to all Christians in Galatia, whether Jewish or Christian. Lastly, the demonstration of an Isaianic background for the concept of new creation in Gal 6,15-16 falls in line with Paul’s other reference to "new creation" in 2 Cor 5,17 and John’s allusion to new creation in Rev 3,14, where Isa 43 and 65–66 stand behind both passages. Isa 54,10 was likely not the sole influence on Gal 6,16, but such texts as Psalm 84 (LXX), the Qumran Hymn Scroll (1QH 13,5), and Jub 22,9 may have formed a collective impression on Paul, with the Isaiah text most in focus; alternatively, the texts in Qumran and Jubilees may be mere examples of a similar use of Isaiah 54 on a parallel trajectory with that of Paul’s in Galatians 6.
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Galatians 6:14-16 But far be it from me to boast, save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ…….all that counts is new [personal] creation. All who take this principal as their guide: peace and mercy be upon them, the Israel of God. Revised English Bible

The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church. The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase upon the Israel of God, was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God, and in the New International Version's: even to the Israel of God. It is not necessary, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, the all who take this principal, correctly refers to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively; being the entire messianic community."

So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, provided it is not misapplied. In any case, it is clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in: All who keep the Christian rule….The entire argument of the epistle contradicts any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not Christians.

The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists, those who believe in a ‘rapture to heaven’, insist on maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church".

They refute the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics, is a false teaching.

The dispensationalist explanation of the meaning of "The Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16 is contrary to Paul’s main point, in which it is said that: in Christ Jesus ... there is neither Jew nor Greek. This central idea of the epistle, is expressed in the third chapter: "you are all one in Christ Jesus ... if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring" Galatians 3:26-29

The fascination with the secular state of Israel which is so characteristic of dispensationalists today has led many of them to think that the restoration of the Jews as "God's people" has already occurred, despite the fact that their rapture has not yet happened and the Jews continue to reject Christ. Dispensationalists insist that this unbelieving Israel according to the flesh must be blessed by everyone. But of course this premise is totally wrong, because there is no blessing for anyone who rejects Christ.

The attempt to limit the meaning of "Israel of God" to the carnal sons of Judah betrays a fundamentally wrong approach to biblical interpretation, and to New Testament theology in particular. I give below some excerpts from writers who are more accurately express the meaning of Galatians 6:16. Even in these authors I find, however, an insufficient appreciation of Paul's teaching. Peace be ... upon the Israel of God, is a positive blessing and affirmation of true Christian believers as the spiritual Israel of God.
 
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What/who is "the Israel of God"?
G.K. Beale - Peace and Mercy Upon the Israel of God: Partial Preterist Section @ PreteristArchive.com
Peace and Mercy Upon the Israel of God: The Old Testament Background in Galatians 6:16
By G.K. Beale Biblica 80 (1999) 204-223

Discussions of the Old Testament background of "new creation" in Gal 6,15 and its relation to v. 16 have heretofore been general and have not targeted any particular OT passage. This essay sets out to demonstrate that the phrase "peace and mercy" has its most probable background in the Old Testament promise of Israel’s restoration in Isaiah 54. In the light of this background the mention of the "marks" of Jesus on Paul’s body in v. 17 makes excellent sense..............

SUMMARY

This essay has contended that Paul’s reference to "new creation" and the pronouncement of "peace and mercy" on the readers in Gal 6,15-16 is best understood against the background of Isa 54,10 and the surrounding context of similar new creation themes elsewhere in Isa 32–66, which are echoed also earlier in Galatians, especially in 5,22-26. The analysis confirms those prior studies which have concluded that "the Israel of God" refers to all Christians in Galatia, whether Jewish or Christian. Lastly, the demonstration of an Isaianic background for the concept of new creation in Gal 6,15-16 falls in line with Paul’s other reference to "new creation" in 2 Cor 5,17 and John’s allusion to new creation in Rev 3,14, where Isa 43 and 65–66 stand behind both passages.....................
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Galatians 6:14-16 But far be it from me to boast, save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ…….all that counts is new [personal] creation. All who take this principal as their guide: peace and mercy be upon them, the Israel of God. Revised English Bible
The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church. The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase upon the Israel of God, was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God, and in the New International Version's: even to the Israel of God. It is not necessary, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, the all who take this principal, correctly refers to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively; being the entire messianic community."

So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, provided it is not misapplied. In any case, it is clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in: All who keep the Christian rule….The entire argument of the epistle contradicts any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not Christians.

The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists, those who believe in a ‘rapture to heaven’, insist on maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church".

They refute the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics, is a false teaching.

The dispensationalist explanation of the meaning of "The Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16 is contrary to Paul’s main point, in which it is said that: in Christ Jesus ... there is neither Jew nor Greek. This central idea of the epistle, is expressed in the third chapter: "you are all one in Christ Jesus ... if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring" Galatians 3:26-29

The fascination with the secular state of Israel which is so characteristic of dispensationalists today has led many of them to think that the restoration of the Jews as "God's people" has already occurred, despite the fact that their rapture has not yet happened and the Jews continue to reject Christ. Dispensationalists insist that this unbelieving Israel according to the flesh must be blessed by everyone. But of course this premise is totally wrong, because there is no blessing for anyone who rejects Christ.

The attempt to limit the meaning of "Israel of God" to the carnal sons of Judah betrays a fundamentally wrong approach to biblical interpretation, and to New Testament theology in particular. I give below some excerpts from writers who are more accurately express the meaning of Galatians 6:16. Even in these authors I find, however, an insufficient appreciation of Paul's teaching. Peace be ... upon the Israel of God, is a positive blessing and affirmation of true Christian believers as the spiritual Israel of God.
Hello Keras and thanks for that enlightening post.
I pretty much agree with everything you have posted.........

Concerning the translation and interpretations, here is a site with some commentators who appear to be fairly well versed in the Greek:
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Galatians 6:16 Interlinear: and as many as by this rule do walk -- peace upon them, and kindness, and on the Israel of God!

4748. stoicheo stoy-kheh'-o from a derivative of steicho (to range in regular line); to march in (military) rank (keep step), i.e. (figuratively) to conform to virtue and piety:--walk (orderly).

And whoever to the rule, this, they shall be elementling/conforming<4748>
peace on them and mercy, and/even upon the Israel of the GOD/Elohim
kai osoi tw kanoni toutw stoichsousin
eirhnh ep autouV kai eleoV kai epi ton israhl tou qeou


Galatians 6:16 Commentaries: And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Pulpit Commentary
Verse 16. - And as many as walk according to this rule (καὶ ὅσοι τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχήσουσιν); and as many as shall be walking by this rule. The word κανών, properly a workman's rule, according to Liddell and Scott, but according to Bishop Lightfoot, who, refers to Dr. Westcott, 'On the Canon,' App. A, the carpenter's or surveyor's line by which a direction is taken, is used in 2 Corinthians 10:13, 15, 16 of the measurements and delimitation of districts; here, with reference apparently to a surveyor's measuring-line, as marking out a path or road.
So that τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχεῖν means "walking on orderly" (see note on στοιχεῖν, Galatians 5:25) in the line marked out by what has now been said. The future tense appears to point forward to what should be the case among the Galatians when the letter now going to them should have had time to do its work.

But what in the preceding context does the apostle refer to as supplying "this rule"? Many think that he points to the aphorism in ver. 15, affirming the utter indifferency of circumcision or uncircumcision, and the all-importance of a "new creature;" in which case the stress would lie mainly upon the latter point, the "new all-importance of a creature," which was of perpetual interest, rather than on the indiffereney of circumcision which in itself was a matter of but passing concern......................................

When discoursing to the Corinthians of his manifold afflictions and of his self-humbling, men-loving demeanour under them all, he besought them to be imitators of him (1 Corinthians 4:9-16), which entreaty he renews with a similar reference in 1 Corinthians 9:1. So he exhorts the Philippians to unite with one another in imitating him, and to fix their regards upon such as walked as they had him and those with him for a pattern (Philippians 3:17), and again repeats to them (Philippians 4:9), "Those things which ye, moreover, learned, and received, and heard, and saw in me, do," - all which clauses refer to his own character and doings as seen by themselves or as reported to them by others (see Alford, in loc.).

In those days we must remember there was no "Canon "of New Testament Scripture which might serve for the guidance of the newly gained converts from heathenism; for practical guidance in the Christian life, besides the Old Testament Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:15-17), they had, perforce, to be referred partly to their own moral sense, partly to the inward teachings of the Holy Spirit, and partly, and this to a very important extent, to the living examples of eminently Spirit-taught men.

This purpose, of propounding himself as an example, evidently underlay the writing of ver. 14; and it is the consciousness that it was so that now leads him to use the phrase, "by this rule," in reference, as seems most probable, to that very description of his own life. It is noticeable that, after having exhorted the Philippians to do all the things which they had seen and known him to do, he adds (Philippians 4:9). "And the God of peace shall be with you;" just as he here says, "As many as shall be walking orderly by this rule, peace upon them, and mercy!"

We are now brought into a position to see clearly the force of the conjunction "and," with which he introduces this verse. It connects it closely with ver. 14..................

This was written some years after the Epistle to the Galatians; but it shows that it was a common experience with the apostle to find among the Gentile Churches two classes in particular of Christians: one, consisting of his own adherents and followers in the spirit and life of the gospel; another, of those who (either because as born Jews or Gentile Judaizers, they eschewed the pollution of the cross and its aspect towards the ceremonial Law, or because they were Gentiles, ashamed before their countrymen of trusting in a Jew who had been crucified), were fain to the utmost of their power to thrust the crucifixion of Christ out of sight - "the enemies of the cross of Christ?" Peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God (εἰρήνη ἐπ αὐτούς καὶ ἔλεος καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ Θεοῦ).
The suppletion of "be" in the Authorized Version, in preference to "shall be" or "is," is borne out by the fact that the language of benediction, both in the greeting at the beginning of the Epistles and in their close, ordinarily omits the copula verb, which in such cases must be what is here supplied. We may compare in particular Ephesians 6:24, "Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in uncorruptness," not only as similar in construction, requiring the like suppletion of "be," but also as another instance in which the apostle pronounces his pastoral benediction with a certain limitation, specifying those only who sincerely love Jesus Christ.

The limitation in these two cases only implied is in 1 Corinthians 16:22 converted into a distinctly expressed anathema upon those who do not love Christ. The present passage makes the implied limitation without even that measure of stern precision which would have been marked by his writing ἐπὶ τούτους ("upon these") instead of ἐπ αὐτούς ("upon them"). It seems as if he would fain allure back to the gospel blessing those of his readers who might feel themselves as not now coming within its range.
Perhaps in the addition of the words, "and mercy," we may detect a sympathizing sense in the mind of the apostle of the mental suffering, which those in Galatia sincerely devoted to the crucified Christ had and would still have to encounter, in contending for the truth of the gospel against fellow Churchmen of their own. They would probably be no mere hard-minded controversialists, but humble, loving believers, to whom the mercy of God would be very dear. The apostle adds it to his greeting only in writing to Timothy (1 Timothy 1:2; 2 Timothy 1:2), distinguished apparently for the affectionateness and feminine-heartedness of his character. In Titus 1:4 the addition is not genuine. The words, "and upon the Israel of God," seem to be an echo of the "peace upon Israel (εἰρήνη ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραήλ)," which, in the Septuagint, closes the hundred and twenty-fifth and hundred and twenty-eighth psalms.

The addition of the words, "of God," seems intended pointedly to distinguish the "Israel" which the apostle has m view from that which boasted itself as being Israel while it was not, and also from the false brethren (ψευδαδελφοί, Galatians 2:4) in the Christian Church, who were for linking themselves with the false Israel. The addition is not merely honorific, as in the expression, "the Church of God" (1 Corinthians 1:2; 2 Corinthians 1:1; 10:32; 11:22; 15:9), but distinctive as well - that which alone God views and loves as "Israel" - to wit, the entire body of real believers in Christ, who, as portrayed in this Epistle, are "children of promise after the fashion of Isaac" (Galatians 4:28), Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise" (Galatians 3:29), and the children of "the upper Jerusalem, which is our mother" (Galatians 4:26). Of that portion of the true Israel which dwelt in Galatia (see 1 Peter 1:1; 1 Peter 2:10), those who, like the apostle, consecrated themselves to Christ as crucified, were the guiding and characterizing element; and therefore his blessing shed upon these spreads itself also upon those connected with them.

That the apostle is even here still regardful of others among the Galatians, who were themselves" shifting away from the gospel" and were drawing others away too (Galatians 1:6, 7), is shown by the next verse.
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16. as many as walk] See note on ch. Galatians 5:25. Some commentators attach to this verb a different sense, ‘as many as conform to this rule’. But the A.V. gives what is probably a correct rendering. The reading ‘shall walk’, adopted by R.V. is on the whole preferable on MSS. authority.
At the time when the Epistle was written believers were comparatively few in number, but the blessing was a prophecy extending to all who in the long series of centuries, even to the end of the dispensation, should walk, that is, live by the same rule.

Here ‘this rule’ is the principle of justification through faith in the Atoning Blood, and the renewal of man’s nature by the Holy Ghost. ‘As many as walk by it’—whether circumcised or not—in every age, in every clime—male or female—slave or free, without distinction of visible Church or sect. Surely this must be that ‘great multitude which no man can number’, of whom it is written ‘they washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb’, Revelation 7:13.

peace be on them, and mercy] This is probably a prayer, ‘May peace be on them’; though the original allows us to render, ‘Peace rests on them’. Peace in the soul, because of reconciliation with God. Peace with man through Him Who is ‘our peace’. But mercy also, as needed by sinners.

and upon the Israel of God] Are ‘the Israel of God’ distinct from those who walk according to the Apostle’s rule, or are we to regard the particle ‘and’ as epexegetical, and equivalent to ‘yea, upon &c.’? The answer will depend on the exact meaning which is attached to the expression, ‘the Israel of God’. ..............
 
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CONTINUING....................

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
Rapture refuted

Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.

B. "So all Israel will be saved": Romans 9:26
1. Romans 9:26 is misused to teach that God has a special plan for the Jews that is different from the Gentiles.
2. Passages that show Israel is saved exactly like the gentiles by faith:

a. "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob."This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." (Romans 11:25-27)
b. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "But the righteous man shall live by faith." (Romans 1:16-17)
c. "For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:12-13)
d. "I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? "Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life." But what is the divine response to him? "I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. " (Romans 11:1-6)
e. "But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? "We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified. " (Galatians 2:14-16)
3. Notice that the passage clearly states that the first coming of Christ was their hope of salvation.
4. The deliverer is Jesus Christ who came to the Jews 2000 years ago.
5. The whole point of the context is that while the Jews have not been discarded entirely, in that they can be saved if they believe in Jesus.
6. While they have no disadvantages compared to gentiles, the Jews also have no special advantages as far as salvation is concerned.
7. However, the advantage the Jews had over the gentiles, is that they had been cultivated and prepared by God for 2000 years to accept the coming messiah.
8. The first century Jews who converted to become Christians had some significant advantages over the gentiles who were not familiar with the Old Testament stories the theme.
9. It is rank heresy to teach that the Gentiles are saved by faith only without water baptism but the Jews had to believe and be baptized to be saved. There is only one plan of salvation for all mankind: Believe, repent, confess Christ and be immersed in water for the remission of your sins. (Mk 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21
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Continuing............

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted


Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.


A. The Parable of the Landowner: Israel replace by Church/Christians

1. "Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who PLANTED A VINEYARD AND PUT A WALL AROUND IT AND DUG A WINE PRESS IN IT, AND BUILT A TOWER, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey.
When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. "The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third.
"Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them.
"But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.' "But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, 'This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.' "They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
"Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?" They said to Him, "He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons." Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES'? "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. "And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."
When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. " (Matthew 21:33-46)
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2. In a parable so crystal clear only a premillennialist could get it wrong, the Jews, as a nation, were going to be replaced by something new, the church.

3. "He will bring those wretches to a wretched end" happened in 70 AD.

4. Now clearly the entire leadership of the apostolic church and most of the Elders in the churches were Jewish. But they had become Christians who stopped keeping the Sabbath and abandoned the Mosaic system of Judaism. They began immediately worshiping god on the first day of the week, the Lord's day.

5. Jesus went to the Jews first but they rejected Him as the Messiah. The church, (the kingdom) is now open to both Jew and Gentile equally. Both must believe, repent, confess Jesus as Lord and be baptized for the remission of their sins. There is only one way to get saved! Jews have no special route to heaven that gentiles do not have. They all must believe and do the same things to be saved.

6. Paul always began his evangelism in a new city by preaching in the Jewish synagogues. When the Jews rejected the gospel, he turned to the gentiles: "But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were blaspheming. Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. " (Acts 13:45-46)

7. "This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve, [Israel] "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone," and, "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed. But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY. " (1 Peter 2:7-10)

a. Notice that the "you are a chosen, holy nation of priests", which was originally applied to fleshly Israel at the foot of Mt. Sinai is now applied to Christians to the exclusion of physical Israel unless they believe.

i. "and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel." " (Exodus 19:6)

ii. ""For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. " (Deuteronomy 7:6)

b. Notice that the text applies these special blessings of being "you are a chosen, holy nation of priests" to the gentiles and that fleshly Israel was "appointed to doom".
 
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Notice that the text applies these special blessings of being "you are a chosen, holy nation of priests" to the gentiles and that fleshly Israel was "appointed to doom".
This truth is unacceptable to those who have chosen to believe that the Lord will 'rapture' them to heaven, while those who call themselves Israel remain to pass thru Tribulation and finally become saved Christians. Neither are scriptural and neither will happen.

We Christians are now the chosen people, a few Jews, most from every race, nation and language. WE are the Lord's priests now and will be His co-rulers on earth. Revelation 5:9-10
 
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continued............

C. "Salvation is from the Jews": John 4:22
1. "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. " (John 4:22)

2. Salvation came from Jesus Christ who came out of the Jewish people. Jesus was a full blooded Jew.

3. There is nothing in this passage or any other place in the Bible that says the Jews will lead the way of salvation at the end of time.
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I thought I would add this to the above.
Are these 10 men all Jews? Of course not! The Jewish Man is indeed Jesus Christ!

Churches view on Zech 8:23

Zechariah 8:23
Thus said Yahweh of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations,
Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt<3671> of a Man, a Jew/Judean/Y@huwdiy<3064>, saying: 'We shall go with Thee, for we hear Elohim with Thee{ye}'!

Acts 1:6 Restore Kingdom to Israel/10 KINGS One Mind Reve 17

What kingdom is being talked about here?

Reve 17:
12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a-Kingdom not-yet received,
but authority as kings, one hour they are receiving with the wild beast,

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D. "Think not I came to abolish the law": Mt 5:17
1. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. " (Matthew 5:17-20)

2. This passage is also misused by the Sabbatarians to try to keep the law of moses alive so they can have their Sabbath. Sabbath Keepers always misquote Matthew 5:17 as a proof text, that the Sabbath will endure as long as the earth stands. Simply stated, the passage says that Jesus came to fulfill the whole law (moral and ceremonial) and that none of the law would be abolished until it was fulfilled. Adventists take the incredible position that Jesus did not fulfill the law! Sabbatarians also press the expression, "not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law" as a proof text that the Sabbath is in force today! Problem is, this expression, as Jesus used it, included the whole Law of Moses including animal sacrifices. If "jot or tittle" is still in force today, the we must have both the Sabbath and animal sacrifices! Logic has never been a strong point with Seventh-day Adventists!

3. Here is a detailed examination of this passage.
 
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The soon to happen clearance of the Middle East by the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, will remove all the unchristian peoples. Only a small remnant of Messianic Jews will survive in Jerusalem. Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:14, +
Jeremiah 7:30-34 & 8:1-13 The people of Judah have done wrong, they worship idols and have no regard for their Creator....Therefore, the time is coming when I shall fill the valley of Topeth with their corpses.......All the survivor’s of this wicked race, from wherever I have banished them, would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14

...Judah is incurable in their waywardness......I listen, but I hear not one word of remorse ....My people do not know the Judgements of the Lord. How can you say: We are wise and we have the Law of God, when your scribes and priests have falsified it? The wise are shamed and where is wisdom in them?

Therefore I will give their wives to others and give their land to new owners, for all of their prophets and priests are frauds....on My Day of reckoning, they will fall with a great crash. I shall surely consume them says the Lord and there will be no grapes on the vine, [Israel] and no figs on the fig tree. [Judah]

PS, I am gratified for your 'like' to #15, BaB and LLoJ. We ARE getting some consensus on these issues. Thanks!
 
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continued........This goes with the covenantle parable of the Rich Man in Luke 16.....

E. "Abraham's offspring by faith, not blood": Gal 3:27; Rom 9:6-9
1. Passages:
a. "But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; nor are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but: "through Isaac your descendants will be named." That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. " (Romans 9:6-8)
b. "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise. " (Galatians 3:26-29)
c. "Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands— remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, " (Ephesians 2:11-14)
2. Clearly being in the blood line of Abraham and being a literal genealogically papered member of one of the tribes of Israel does absolutely nothing to aid in salvation. Only faith in Christ saves.
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Luke 16 "Rich Man/Poor Man" parable.....The most misunderstood/misinterpreted Parable in the NT?

Luke 16:
14And also the Pharisees, being lovers of money, were hearing all these things, and were deriding him, 15and he said to them, ‘Ye are those declaring yourselves righteous before men, but God doth know your hearts; because that which among men is high, [is] abomination before God; 16the law and the prophets [are] till John; since then the reign of God is proclaimed good news, and every one doth press into it;................

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>

24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be you merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me, that I am being anguished in this flame".
25 Said yet Abraham "Child! be thou being reminded! that thou got the goods of the in the life of thee and Lazarus in like manner the evils,
yet now here he is being comforted and thou art being pained.
26 And upon all of these between us and ye a great chasm hath been established so that those willing to cross-over hence toward ye no may be able, neither thence toward us may be ferrying"
27 Saying yet "I am asking thee then father!, that thou should be sending him into the house of my father,
28 for I am having five brothers which he may be testifying to them that no also they may be coming into the place this of the torment".
29 Abraham is saying to him "they are having Moses and the Prophets let them hear them!".
30 The yet he said: "nay father Abraham!
but if ever any from dead-ones may be going forth toward them they shall be repenting/reforming.
31 Saying yet to him "if Moses and the Prophets not they are hearing,
neither if ever anyone out of dead-ones may be rising, they shall be being persuaded".
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Matthew 3:9
"And no ye should be thinking to say in yourselves 'a Father we are having, Abraham'.
For I AM saying unto ye, that is able the God, out of these Stones, to raise-up children to Abraham. [Luke 3:8/16:24]


1 Peter 2:5
And ye-selves as living Stones are being built a spiritual House, a holy Priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices well-acceptable to-the GOD thru Jesus Christ.

Luke 19: 38
saying, "Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven, and glory in the highest!"
39 Some of the Pharisees from the multitude said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples!"
40 He answered them, "I tell you that if these were silent, the stones would cry out."

41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her, 42 saying, "That if Thou knew and Thou, even indeed in this day, the toward peace of Thee, now yet it was hid from Thy eyes. 43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee, and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee, and pressing Thee from-every-side. 44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, stead which not Thou knew the season of the visitation<1984> of Thee".
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New House New Stones


1 Peter 2:5
And ye-selves as living Stones are being built a spiritual House, a holy Priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices well-acceptable to-the GOD thru Jesus Christ.


 
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The soon to happen clearance of the Middle East by the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, will remove all the unchristian peoples. Only a small remnant of Messianic Jews will survive in Jerusalem. Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:14, +
Jeremiah 7:30-34 & 8:1-13 The people of Judah have done wrong, they worship idols and have no regard for their Creator....Therefore, the time is coming when I shall fill the valley of Topeth with their corpses.......All the survivor’s of this wicked race, from wherever I have banished them, would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14

...Judah is incurable in their waywardness......I listen, but I hear not one word of remorse ....My people do not know the Judgements of the Lord. How can you say: We are wise and we have the Law of God, when your scribes and priests have falsified it? The wise are shamed and where is wisdom in them?

Therefore I will give their wives to others and give their land to new owners, for all of their prophets and priests are frauds....on My Day of reckoning, they will fall with a great crash. I shall surely consume them says the Lord and there will be no grapes on the vine, [Israel] and no figs on the fig tree. [Judah]

PS, I am gratified for your 'like' to #15, BaB and LLoJ. We ARE getting some consensus on these issues. Thanks!
Informative post Keras.............
 
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