LDS LDS Jesus Could Have Lost His Godhood

He is the way said:

So ""She then appeared and walked the earth as a man" that seems pretty crazy to me.

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Yes, because 'she' is not a literal woman, silly. 'She' is a personification of Wisdom, in common with Proverbs 8 and 9, as I've already pointed out in post #992. So that should answer your question from post #994, assuming that the prayer itself doesn't do so for some reason even though it has lines in it like the one you've repeated here.

That answer, just to underline it, is NO.

Ya gotta love Mormonism:

Wisdom is personified as a woman, in keeping with the personification used in earlier Hebrew and Greek writings (almost like Christianity is the religion of first century Hebrews living in a Hellenized environment or something!): "That sounds pretty crazy to me!"

God the Father has a literal physical resurrected body, so he apparently died at some point (on the cross?) to give Jesus the help he apparently needed to know how to die on the cross when it came his 'turn' to do so here on earth, just as apparently every god before both of them had done (as per post #995): "Well, yeah...I mean, of course we believe in that. Nothing more than that, though! That'd be speculation!"

UGHHHHHHHHH.

Where is the "my brain is about to explode" smiley for times like this? Somehow doesn't quite cut it!

Phoebe Ann said:

The plan of salvation is the same for every spirit child, is it not? Those who are exalted to godhood are required to marry for time and eternity (see D&C 132).

"God an Exalted Man"
The King Follett Sermon


Those who neglect marriage for time and eternity in a Mormon temple:

“‘For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.’ (D&C 132:17.)

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There is nothing there that states that the Holy Ghost needs a body to be part of the Godhead. Section 132 is about how MEN can become Gods. It is not about the Holy Ghost.

He is the way said:

So ""She then appeared and walked the earth as a man" that seems pretty crazy to me.

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Really?? From someone who believes that The Father was once human who died on the cross for some other planet but now is the god of this one and "one" of his many sons did the same for this planet?
How crazy is that? And how did the Father get this planet to become God of? He didn't die for the sins of this planet, so it must have been for another planet, but then why is he not the god of that planet???
Will Jesus get another planet now to be the Father off and have another son to save that planet? But then, what about all those who achieve "exaltation" and get their own planet? They have a son to die on some cross also. And all those who achieve "exaltation" in that planet will each then get one of their own and populate it with sinners and one of his sons has to die for their sins. This, of course, doesn't sound crazy to you. That there will be countless planets out there, filled to the brim with horrible sinful people that someone has to constantly die for sounds perfectly sane to you? Sounds like a perfectly wonderful universe for Satan, all those lovely sinners forever and ever. Planet after planet filled with them and all that lovely misery endlessly going on and on----not crazy, huh? What a loathsome, perverse universe your god offers.

Phoebe Ann said:

Jesus was always fully God! Philippians 2:5-6 does not say otherwise!

Jesus was always God. And all God's people shout, AMEN!

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Jesus had to learn obedience and be perfected. Salvation is for those who obey Him.

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 9)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Phoebe Ann said:

Jesus was always fully God! Philippians 2:5-6 does not say otherwise!

Jesus was always God. And all God's people shout, AMEN!

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mmksparbud said:

Really?? From someone who believes that The Father was once human who died on the cross for some other planet but now is the god of this one and "one" of his many sons did the same for this planet?
How crazy is that? And how did the Father get this planet to become God of? He didn't die for the sins of this planet, so it must have been for another planet, but then why is he not the god of that planet???
Will Jesus get another planet now to be the Father off and have another son to save that planet? But then, what about all those who achieve "exaltation" and get their own planet? They have a son to die on some cross also. And all those who achieve "exaltation" in that planet will each then get one of their own and populate it with sinners and one of his sons has to die for their sins. This, of course, doesn't sound crazy to you. That there will be countless planets out there, filled to the brim with horrible sinful people that someone has to constantly die for sounds perfectly sane to you? Sounds like a perfectly wonderful universe for Satan, all those lovely sinners forever and ever. Planet after planet filled with them and all that lovely misery endlessly going on and on----not crazy, huh? What a loathsome, perverse universe your god offers.

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We are here on this earth that God made for us and that is not crazy, in fact it is quite evident.

He is the way said:

We are here on this earth that God made for us and that is not crazy, in fact it is quite evident.

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Our God---the one without a father or grandfather that never died and has only One Son of His own substance and has no wife.

Phoebe Ann said:

"God is an exalted man....Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power."
The King Follett Sermon

That's okay. It's all fiction anyway.

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This is also about men becoming Gods.

mmksparbud said:

Our God---the one without a father or grandfather that never died and has only One Son of His own substance and has no wife.

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"has only One Son of His own substance" So they both have spiritual resurrected bodies of flesh and bone:

(New Testament | Luke 24:39)

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

dzheremi said:

Yes, because 'she' is not a literal woman, silly. 'She' is a personification of Wisdom, in common with Proverbs 8 and 9, as I've already pointed out in post #992. So that should answer your question from post #994, assuming that the prayer itself doesn't do so for some reason even though it has lines in it like the one you've repeated here.

That answer, just to underline it, is NO.

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Is this not about the Holy Ghost?

He is the way said:

Is this not about the Holy Ghost?

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How would that change my answer to your question? Is the Holy Spirit God's wife? No.

He is the way said:

"has only One Son of His own substance" So they both have spiritual resurrected bodies of flesh and bone:

(New Testament | Luke 24:39)

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

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No. Our God the Father never died---always was God always will be and there will be no other Gods. Our God has no father or grandfather and has no wife/wives---He is spirit, as Jesus says. Only His One Son has a resurrected, glorified human body. Your god and our God have nothing in common.

mmksparbud said:

No. Our God the Father never died---always was God always will be and there will be no other Gods. Our God has no father or grandfather and has no wife/wives---He is spirit, as Jesus says. Only His One Son has a resurrected, glorified human body. Your god and our God have nothing in common.

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You said: "has only One Son of His own substance" Now you say No they are not of the same substance because the Father never died. You say that the universe is made out of nothing because nothing existed but then say the Father has always existed so which is it?

Phoebe Ann said:

Nice try! All gods were men according to Joseph Smith. It makes no difference whether you admit it or not.

I think you're causing the unsuspecting readers to realize you have no explanation for Mormonism: an intelligence doesn't skip from spirit child to godhood.

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “I believe firmly that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. He taught this doctrine to his disciples. He did not teach them that he was the Son of the Holy Ghost, but the Son of the Father. Truly, all things are done by the power of the Holy Ghost. It was through this power that Jesus was brought into this world, but not as the Son of the Holy Ghost, but the Son of God. Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit, which is subject unto him, but his Father is greater than he! He has said it. Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!” (Doctrines of Salvation, 1:18.)
Book of Mormon Student Manual, 1989, Alma 7:10, p.74

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It is you who does not understand. Jesus said:

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

However Jesus was talking about their spirits and not their bodies. Apparently no one has figured that out yet. The body has to be perfected before it can become a God.

He is the way said:

There is only one way to truly know God. That is to keep the commandments.:

(New Testament | 1 John 2:4 - 5)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

God is LOVE.

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Then why don't you love God? You cannot claim to love God and yet still hold on to the mormon lies about him (i.e., was a resurrected man, has a wife, etc.). Every time you post this "keep the commandments" mantra you have, you are indicting yourself. May the real God (not the mormon god) have mercy on you.

BigDaddy4 said:

Then why don't you love God? You cannot claim to love God and yet still hold on to the mormon lies about him (i.e., was a resurrected man, has a wife, etc.). Every time you post this "keep the commandments" mantra you have, you are indicting yourself. May the real God (not the mormon god) have mercy on you.

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You said: "You cannot claim to love God and yet still hold on to the mormon lies about him" In your opinion that is true. However, my opinion is different than yours. God is LOVE and we should walk as Jesus walked.