Confused

Jh24

A brother in Christ
Mar 8, 2019
117
88
29
Gold Coast
✟51,233.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Brothers and Sisters, my heart is heavy. One of my friends says that the we can't trust the English version of the bible is this true? This friend said that the phrase "save by grace through faith" in English are empty words cause I don't know the true meaning of them. Am I believing a lie? My heart is troubled because I have hope in God's word, and have only really know the English version, while only knowing a few of the Hebrew and Greek words. Do I really know Christ, can I be saved even though I've never been baptized though I want to be? My spirit feels lost. Is my friend right?
 

Carl Emerson

Well-Known Member
Dec 18, 2017
14,734
10,041
78
Auckland
✟380,060.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Brothers and Sisters, my heart is heavy. One of my friends says that the we can't trust the English version of the bible is this true? This friend said that the phrase "save by grace through faith" in English are empty words cause I don't know the true meaning of them. Am I believing a lie? My heart is troubled because I have hope in God's word, and have only really know the English version, while only knowing a few of the Hebrew and Greek words. Do I really know Christ, can I be saved even though I've never been baptized though I want to be? My spirit feels lost. Is my friend right?
The voice of Jesus inside you will confirm the truth and the translation does not have to be perfect for that to happen. Keep it simple - dont let technical issues upset you. He will lead you into all truth. We dont need fancy theories, Love Jesus, be obedient and He will keep you in the right way.
 
Upvote 0

Jh24

A brother in Christ
Mar 8, 2019
117
88
29
Gold Coast
✟51,233.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
The voice of Jesus inside you will confirm the truth and the translation does not have to be perfect for that to happen. Keep it simple - dont let technical issues upset you. He will lead you into all truth. We dont need fancy theories, Love Jesus, be obedient and He will keep you in the right way.
Thank you, I know that as long as I have faith in Him, and love Him and my neighbors with all my heart, I won't fall, but it was just worrying to hear such things. Hasn't the English bible been preached like it is for many years? I read the new king James version by the way.
 
Upvote 0

public hermit

social troglodyte
Site Supporter
Aug 20, 2019
10,984
12,066
East Coast
✟839,180.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
You're fine. I know Greek and the English translation of that phrase is correct.

Go ahead and find a way to be baptised. It is a sign and a seal of God's forgiveness and grace. Plus, you will feel more confident because you will have shown that you are obedient to our Lord's command to be baptised.

And, maybe find friends who won't encourage doubt about your faith. God loves you more than that.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

thecolorsblend

If God is your Father, who is your Mother?
Site Supporter
Jul 1, 2013
9,199
8,425
Gotham City, New Jersey
✟308,231.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Brothers and Sisters, my heart is heavy. One of my friends says that the we can't trust the English version of the bible is this true? This friend said that the phrase "save by grace through faith" in English are empty words cause I don't know the true meaning of them. Am I believing a lie? My heart is troubled because I have hope in God's word, and have only really know the English version, while only knowing a few of the Hebrew and Greek words. Do I really know Christ, can I be saved even though I've never been baptized though I want to be? My spirit feels lost. Is my friend right?
There have been numerous translations of scripture into English. It’s kind of silly to think that all of them are wrong, wouldn’t you say?
 
Upvote 0

Dave G.

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2017
4,633
5,310
74
Sandiwich
✟324,579.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Widowed
The English bible is reliable, a few words throughout it can have a couple of other meanings than what were used, it's still accurate though there might not have been an exact translation from the original in those instances. Pick a good version, ESV,NKJV,NASB are all good for instance. And when you have questions like you have just check in Strongs concordance so you can see the various meanings. It sometimes can take on a new flavor for you but it rarely reverses any true meaning. You can look those up online easy enough.

Some later new age-ish english bibles have missing verses to fit an agenda. But all in all the best bible to have is the one in your hands when you need it. You can always look for others at a convenient time.. It sounds like rather than your friend ministering to you, be Leary and search confirmation out for yourself, as others have said, seek Jesus then confirm !!! Job had friends too lol !!
 
Upvote 0

Vicky gould

Shekinah
Site Supporter
Aug 21, 2019
655
238
76
North west
✟69,456.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Brothers and Sisters, my heart is heavy. One of my friends says that the we can't trust the English version of the bible is this true? This friend said that the phrase "save by grace through faith" in English are empty words cause I don't know the true meaning of them. Am I believing a lie? My heart is troubled because I have hope in God's word, and have only really know the English version, while only knowing a few of the Hebrew and Greek words. Do I really know Christ, can I be saved even though I've never been baptized though I want to be? My spirit feels lost. Is my friend right?

Hi, are you familiar with the Book of Job? Job lost everything but he kept his in God even as His friends tried to destroy his faith. They have been immortalized in a negative sense calling people who do this type of thing,no matter what the subject might be. They are called “Job’s Friends.”
The Bible is quite possibly the most researched book in all the world and of all the books ever written. The Bible has thousands of papers back it’s authticity while the second best researched book, the illyad which has about 90 or less papers backing it. Notice no one goes around questioning the authenticity of the secular book with less documentation like they do the far better documented Bible. why is that. They don’t Buddha darn, the harder version of darn, but all you hear God Darn everywhere by kids to adults.

The words in Scripture are as sure as men can be about something. If the Bible is not true and trustworthy there is nothing we can believe. There are many linguist in our day and sadly a fair number are not Christian but they seem like honorable men and women and they don’t start these rumors because they know it does not have the paper needed to do such a thing.

I would be very careful that they don’t continue to attack your faith as well as our Lord’s Word. I am on the way to a meeting and if I leave this page I lose what is written. I will depend on one of our brothers or sisters to cite the passage for the ‘armor of God. Dress in those items every day. Learn His Word and get some of the Bible’s that are literal translations from Hebrew, Aramaic find out not only have alive His Word is, how accurate it is and how beautiful it is and your heart will lead you to all the rest you need to know. I will, and I know many others will stand on the wall will stand with you. If you have any trouble with these attacks please let me know that I can pray while it is taking place.

One last thing Satan has been attacking God’s Word from the beginning. Thousands, millions more likely, attacks on the Word of God and not one proof of any version, except maybe by overzealolous Christians making attacks that Satan uses to sow confusion among those trying to know the truth. God bless and walk knowing the Lord has protected His Word 24/ 7 for answers. To prove his His Word He came bac5k in the flesh /and drill the
 
Upvote 0

com7fy8

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2013
13,716
6,139
Massachusetts
✟586,371.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
the passage for the ‘armor of God
Ephesians 6:10-20. This includes scripture which various Christians say is for doing spiritual warfare. Ones say that right when we wake up in the morning, the first thing to do is to put on our spiritual armor so the devil can't get the better of us during the day.

Here are a few things which I personally understand and offer from this scripture >

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might." (Ephesians 6:10)

Our Apostle Paul says this.

I notice how he says this to "my brethren" > Paul is not trying to be more than we are, but Paul so great is calling us his own "brethren" > we are family in Jesus, not with status of ones over others. This can help us to know we are living in God's own family caring and sharing with one another.

Also, this says for us to be strong in Jesus > "in the power of His might" > and we know Jesus is almighty!!! Be strong in how Jesus is gentle and humble and kind, and in this we have His own almighty power to keep us safe from cruel feelings, dominating and dictatorial emotions and drives of lust, and negative and nasty reacting of anger and unforgiveness. Because God's peace is almighty. Plus, God's grace almighty has us succeeding in doing whatsoever God really is guiding us to do.

In Ephesians 6:12 > "we do not war against flesh and blood" > so, winning an argument against a human does not win anything, plus killing and controlling people does not change our hearts to become like Jesus in His own love. And what humans can do physically to us does not control God; and God does not need us to protect Him, by controlling evil people >

"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

And we see how Jesus on the cross had been tortured and was being hated and murdered, but Jesus did not have some miracle take out all those people; instead, Jesus prayed >

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)

And after we read Jesus praying out that forgiveness, one of the criminals hanging next to Jesus stands up for Jesus and trusts Jesus to save Him. So, I see how that prayer of forgiveness ministered for the man to get saved and become a brother of Jesus. No warring against flesh and blood, and no amount of putting people down with my arguing can do that :)

"the whole armor" > in Ephesians 6:11 and in Ephesians 6:13 >

We are told to wear this armor >

"having girded your waist with truth" > Ephesians 6:14 > here, I consider "truth" is like to how Jesus Himself is "the truth" (John 14:6) > true reality of God and how God is in love. So, this has to do with your character > your waist is girded with this. Your waist is where your guts are > have the guts of love. Be strong and tough the way love makes us kindly and forgivingly immune to Satanic feelings and emotions and stinking thinking.

"the breastplate of righteousness" > in Ephesians 6:14 > this is over our hearts. I think this righteousness has to do with how God's love, alone, is right for our hearts, and this love "casts out fear, because fear involves torment", we have in 1 John 4:18. So, we see how in Jesus love in our hearts we have His almighty power against fear. Fighting flesh and blood does not remove our ability to suffer torment of fear. Jesus, also, has died for us, "that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." (in Hebrews 2:14-15)

So, we can see how our spiritual warfare includes simply being with Jesus in how He has won our victory.

And, while we are at this, we can see how God's word is talking about realities, of how God in His love in us has us becoming in our character and how He has us loving while becoming more and more immune in almighty power against Satan's kingdom. But we are not only on the defense against our sin problems, but with our Creator we are creative in how to love each and every person . . . including like how Jesus, even on the cross, was busy with loving and blessing that criminal hanging next to Him, while also Jesus was caring in prayer for those horrible people who were still hating and torturing and murdering Jesus who is God's own Son.

As you can see, there is the love meaning of scripture; so beware of how people can get your attention to fighting about word definitions and worrying about outward things you are supposed to do. Plus > you might see how the meaning of God's word is not only about ideas you believe, but "we" "first trusted in Christ", we have in Ephesians 1:12. We have come to trust in Jesus, including by joining Him in His peace ruling us in His own almighty power >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, has your friend been talking with you about this???? Biblical believing, then, is not just thinking something is true. But you believe and therefore you trust and obey Jesus. And Jesus personally cares for you, personally guides you, "and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

This is included in where Christian people will bring your attention. But yes we do have things God wants us to believe, for doctrine, and do for practices. But these are not just copy-catting some group, but help us become God's way in our character > for example >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," (in Philippians 2:13-16)

This does not come with just copy-catting other people!!! (c: This is what God's almighty grace does in us.

Paul says to pray "for all the saints" > in Ephesians 6:18 > here, you can see that God's word tells us to pray for > yes > "saints". You are somebody, in Jesus; with God you become able to bless "saints" with your prayer. Of course, ones of us understand that a saint is any child of God. And we do not only watch out for our own selves, in prayer and spiritual warfare, but we care in prayer for any and all of our Jesus family people. God's love is all-loving; so prayer in God's love has us caring and sharing with all our family in Jesus.

Even in secular situations, we see how people can win in, say, a football game, because their team has a family spirit. Tom Brady said Bill is like a father to him. One time, I saw how some Hispanic people at a kids' camp easily beat some white children in a softball game > I think there were two mothers who constantly cheered and supported every player, always urging them on . . . while the white children with just a camp counselor were getting frustrated . . . unsupported . . . not encouraged by family love.

We are not just warring, trying to make it as isolated individuals, then, but we are family with God our Father and His own Son Jesus. And God is committed to making this work > He predestined us "to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (in Romans 8:2) This motivates God, Himself! (c:

So, possibly you can agree with me, how God's word has His love meaning, and getting this does not depend only on correct picking and choosing of words. But we need how God alone is able to bring us to all He means by His word.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Vicky gould

Shekinah
Site Supporter
Aug 21, 2019
655
238
76
North west
✟69,456.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Ephesians 6:10-20. This includes scripture which various Christians say is for doing spiritual warfare. Ones say that right when we wake up in the morning, the first thing to do is to put on our spiritual armor so the devil can't get the better of us during the day.

Here are a few things which I personally understand and offer from this scripture >

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might." (Ephesians 6:10)

Our Apostle Paul says this.

I notice how he says this to "my brethren" > Paul is not trying to be more than we are, but Paul so great is calling us his own "brethren" > we are family in Jesus, not with status of ones over others. This can help us to know we are living in God's own family caring and sharing with one another.

Also, this says for us to be strong in Jesus > "in the power of His might" > and we know Jesus is almighty!!! Be strong in how Jesus is gentle and humble and kind, and in this we have His own almighty power to keep us safe from cruel feelings, dominating and dictatorial emotions and drives of lust, and negative and nasty reacting of anger and unforgiveness. Because God's peace is almighty. Plus, God's grace almighty has us succeeding in doing whatsoever God really is guiding us to do.

In Ephesians 6:12 > "we do not war against flesh and blood" > so, winning an argument against a human does not win anything, plus killing and controlling people does not change our hearts to become like Jesus in His own love. And what humans can do physically to us does not control God; and God does not need us to protect Him, by controlling evil people >

"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

And we see how Jesus on the cross had been tortured and was being hated and murdered, but Jesus did not have some miracle take out all those people; instead, Jesus prayed >

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)

And after we read Jesus praying out that forgiveness, one of the criminals hanging next to Jesus stands up for Jesus and trusts Jesus to save Him. So, I see how that prayer of forgiveness ministered for the man to get saved and become a brother of Jesus. No warring against flesh and blood, and no amount of putting people down with my arguing can do that :)

"the whole armor" > in Ephesians 6:11 and in Ephesians 6:13 >

We are told to wear this armor >

"having girded your waist with truth" > Ephesians 6:14 > here, I consider "truth" is like to how Jesus Himself is "the truth" > true reality of God and how God is in love. So, this has to do with your character > your waist is girded with this. Your waist is where your guts are > have the guts of love. Be strong and tough the way love makes us kindly and forgivingly immune to Satanic feelings and emotions and stinking thinking.

"the breastplate of righteousness" > in Ephesians 6:14 > this is over our hearts. I think this righteousness has to do with how God's love, alone, is right for our hearts, and this love "casts out fear, because fear involves torment", we have in 1 John 4:18. So, we see how in Jesus love in our hearts we have His almighty power against fear. Fighting flesh and blood does not remove our ability to suffer torment of fear. Jesus, also, has died for us, "that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, and release them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." (in Hebrews 2:14-15)

So, we can see how our spiritual warfare includes simply being with Jesus in how He has won our victory.

And, while are are at this, we can see how God's word is talking about realities, of how God in His love in us has us becoming in our character and how He has us loving while becoming more and more immune in almighty power against Satan's kingdom. But we are not only on the defense against our sin problems, but with our Creator we are creative in how to love each and every person . . . including like how Jesus, even on the cross, was busy with loving and blessing that criminal hanging next to Him, while also Jesus was caring in prayer for those horrible people who were still hating and torturing and murdering Jesus who is God's own Son.

As you can see, there is the love meaning of scripture; so beware of how people can get your attention to fighting about word definitions and worrying about outward things you are supposed to do. Plus > you might see how the meaning of God's word is not only about ideas you believe, but "we" "first trusted in Christ", we have in Ephesians 1:12. We have come to trust in Jesus, including by joining Him in His peace ruling us in His own almighty power >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, has your friend been talking with you about this???? Biblical believing, then, is not just thinking something is true. But you believe and therefore you trust and obey Jesus. And Jesus personally cares for you, personally guides you, "and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

This is included in where Christian people will bring your attention. But yes we do have things God wants us to believe, for doctrine, and do for practices. But these are not just copy-catting some group, but help us become God's way in our character > for example >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," (in Philippians 2:13-16)

This does not come with just copy-catting other people!!! :) This is what God's almighty grace does in us.

Paul says to pray "for all the saints" > in Ephesians 6:18 > here, you can see that God's word tells us to pray for > yes > "saints". You are somebody, in Jesus; with God you become able to bless "saints" with your prayer. Of course, ones of us understand that a saint is any child of God. And we do not only watch out for our own selves, in prayer and spiritual warfare, but we care in prayer for any and all of our Jesus family people. God's love is all-loving; so prayer in God's love has us caring and sharing with all our family in Jesus.

Even in secular situations, we see how people can win in, say, a football game, because their team has a family spirit. Tom Brady said Bill is like a father to him. One time, I saw how some Hispanic people at a kids' camp easily beat some white children in a softball game > I think there were two mothers who constantly praised and supported every player, always urging them on . . . while the white children with just a camp counselor were getting frustrated . . . unsupported . . . not encouraged by family love.

We are not just warring, trying to make it as isolated individuals, then, but we are family with God our Father and His own Son Jesus. And God is committed to making this work > how we are "predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (in Romans 8:2) This motivates God, Himself! :)

So, possibly you can agree with me, how God's word has His love meaning, and this does not depend only on correct picking and choosing of words. But we need how God alone is able to bring us to all He means by His word.

Thank you. Beautiful piece of work going back just to enjoy it God bless
 
Upvote 0

Of the Kingdom

Well-Known Member
Nov 26, 2018
571
445
Atlanta, Georgia
✟48,162.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
We have great resources available to us today. While you cannot accurately translate from the Greek if you only know English, you can investigate the matter.

Ephesians 2:8 Interlinear: for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift, :

The interlinear gives you the actual Greek words, and you can look up their meaning. If there is a question about variants in Greek texts, it is possible to verify the alternatives also. I don't believe there are variants in this case, but don't take my word for it.

Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, :

The parallel view shows how many translators have rendered the passage in English. Are they all wrong? It's doubtful. Are there slight differences in interpretation? Probably.

The passage isn't balanced until you consider how it relates to verses 9 and 10. Does God have plans for your life? Definitely. If you have faith, do you need to fear you will fail to satisfy God? I don't think so. God will guide you gently. Perhaps not to do the ideal thing every time -- but a faith that is active and compelling will encourage you to accept correction so that you will indeed finsh the race well.
 
Upvote 0

yeshuaslavejeff

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Jan 6, 2005
39,944
11,098
okie
✟214,996.00
Faith
Anabaptist
Brothers and Sisters, my heart is heavy. One of my friends says that the we can't trust the English version of the bible is this true? This friend said that the phrase "save by grace through faith" in English are empty words cause I don't know the true meaning of them. Am I believing a lie? My heart is troubled because I have hope in God's word, and have only really know the English version, while only knowing a few of the Hebrew and Greek words. Do I really know Christ, can I be saved even though I've never been baptized though I want to be? My spirit feels lost. Is my friend right?
Yahuweh the Creator says not to trust the English language for understanding His Plan, Purpose and Meaning.
Trust HIM - HE IS FAITHFUL AND TRUE!
 
Upvote 0

yeshuaslavejeff

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Jan 6, 2005
39,944
11,098
okie
✟214,996.00
Faith
Anabaptist
There have been numerous translations of scripture into English. It’s kind of silly to think that all of them are wrong, wouldn’t you say?
No.
People used to accuse the disciples of Jesus for "being silly" for thinking (and teaching) as Jesus taught that the religious leaders were wrong....
the authorities even told the disciples to stop doing that.
Thankfully, they did not stop.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Vicky gould
Upvote 0

thecolorsblend

If God is your Father, who is your Mother?
Site Supporter
Jul 1, 2013
9,199
8,425
Gotham City, New Jersey
✟308,231.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
No.
People used to accuse the disciples of Jesus for "being silly" for thinking (and teaching) as Jesus taught that the religious leaders were wrong....
the authorities even told the disciples to stop doing that.
Thankfully, they did not stop.
Really? Interesting.

You know, my point is a lot like the train which left the station fifteen minutes ago; you missed them both.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

com7fy8

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2013
13,716
6,139
Massachusetts
✟586,371.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Thank you. Beautiful piece of work going back just to enjoy it God bless
Thank you for the encouragement, Vicky. God bless you, too :)

But > since you quoted the post, I have discovered errors in what I wrote; I even misquoted Hebrews 2:14-15!!

So I have edited what still may be in your quote of Post #10.
 
Upvote 0

Tolworth John

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Mar 10, 2017
8,278
4,678
68
Tolworth
✟369,679.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Brothers and Sisters, my heart is heavy. One of my friends says that the we can't trust the English version of the bible is this true? This friend said that the phrase "save by grace through faith" in English are empty words cause I don't know the true meaning of them. Am I believing a lie? My heart is troubled because I have hope in God's word, and have only really know the English version, while only knowing a few of the Hebrew and Greek words. Do I really know Christ, can I be saved even though I've never been baptized though I want to be? My spirit feels lost. Is my friend right?

My reaction was/is to want to know if we are not saved by grace, what does save us and how does this 'friend' know?

I suspect he/she is a member of the kingjames only subsect who regard all other versions of the bible as a pack of lies.

God is far bigger and far far more gracious than we are, he also knows why we do, say etc. and understands us.
 
Upvote 0

yeshuaslavejeff

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Jan 6, 2005
39,944
11,098
okie
✟214,996.00
Faith
Anabaptist
Really? Interesting.

You know, my point is a lot like the train which left the station fifteen minutes ago; you missed them both.
Good.
That train is going the wrong direction, with the wrong destination .....
 
Upvote 0

Jonaitis

Soli Deo Gloria
Jan 4, 2019
5,225
4,212
Wyoming
✟123,551.00
Country
United States
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Brothers and Sisters, my heart is heavy. One of my friends says that the we can't trust the English version of the bible is this true? This friend said that the phrase "save by grace through faith" in English are empty words cause I don't know the true meaning of them. Am I believing a lie? My heart is troubled because I have hope in God's word, and have only really know the English version, while only knowing a few of the Hebrew and Greek words. Do I really know Christ, can I be saved even though I've never been baptized though I want to be? My spirit feels lost. Is my friend right?

There is nothing wrong with reading the Scriptures in English. Your friend sounds like someone you may not want to hang around with, or listen to, since he is steering you the wrong way.

If you trust in Jesus Christ as your Savior, resting alone in his perfect person and finished work, not at all in your works, you are saved. Read Romans 8:1.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums