Let's look at Revelation 20:4 again.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
I am specifically referring to only this in that verse---that's all my point is concerned with, nothing else---and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands
Let's now look at Revelation 13.
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Until all of these things are fulfilled first, there cannot yet be any martyrs in Revelation 20:4 who were martyred because they had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands.
Of course there have been martyrs throughout history, even before the time of the mark. As to the timing of the mark, that occurs during the 42 month reign of the beast though, and not throughout all of history instead. It's ludicrous that the 42 months could be representing that huge amount of time. The 42 month reign belongs at the end of the age and leads to the 2nd coming.
Take note of what I underlined above in verses 14-16. How can there possibly be the fulfillment of the following in Revelation 20:4----and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands---prior to the fulfilling of what I have underlined in verses 14-16? And where does Revelation 20:4 place the martyrdom of the saints via the beast? Does it not place it before the thousand years even end? Shouldn't that tell us the 42 month reign of the beast can't possibly fit after the thousand if that reign already precedes that time according to Revelation 20:4?
No, you haven't proved this. The rest of your message assumes that Amil are stupid and that you caught their illogical conclusions but you didn't.
You apparently didn't grasp a single point I was trying to make then. I don't assume Amils are stupid, that's plain silly. They are just not reasoning it like I am is all. They are not taking into consideration some of the things I am, such as what I went into more detail in this post.
And while it's on my mind, thought I should clarify the following just in case. And no this does not mean I think you are stupid either, because IMO you didn't grasp my points. There's numerous times when others' points go over my head. I don't see why that would have to make me necessarily stupid though.
I simply showed how Revelation 20:4 coupled with Revelation 13 proves that the 42 month reign cannot happen after the the thousand years, something that Amil relies on in order for their position to be valid. Keeping in mind, the 42 month reign of the beast has to end with the 2nd coming. Even the majority of Amils at least agree with that. But how can the 42 month reign of the beast end with the 2nd coming, per Amil's take on these things, when Revelation 20:4 is showing, thus undeniably proving, that the the 42 month reign of the beast is already fulfilled and in the past when the thousand years are over?
But I have no intention of defending Amil.
You could have fooled me then, based on your replies above.