Who gets cast into the everlasting lake of fire?

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Matthew 25:33-46 “And He (the Son of Man) will set the sheep on His right hand,
but the goats on the left.
Then the King will say to those on His right hand,
‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you
from the foundation of the world” … Then He will also say to those on the left hand,
Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for
the devil and his angels.
… Assuredly, I say to you,
inasmuch as you did not do it (help) to one of the least of these,
you did not do it to Me.
And these will go away into everlasting punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.”

The sheep are the righteous believers who inherit the kingdom of God/Christ.
The sheep hear Jesus voice, He knows them, and they follow Him (John 10:27).
The goats do NOT inherit the kingdom … they are habitual sinners (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-21, Eph. 5:3-6).
The righteous do good works … while the unrighteous are lacking in doing good works.
The goats are the unrighteous who get cast into the fire.


John 15:2-6Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He (Father God) takes away;
and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear
more fruit.
… He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much
fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned
.”

Believers who do NOT (continue to) abide in Jesus do NOT bear fruit and are thrown into the fire!

Matthew 3:10-12 “Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit
is cut down and thrown
into the fire. … (God will) gather His wheat into the barn;
but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Those who do NOT bear good fruit are thrown into the fire.
The chaff is separated from the wheat and is thrown into the fire.


Matthew 7:15-20 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly
they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. … every good tree bears good fruit,
but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

False prophets do NOT bear good fruit and are thrown into the fire.

Matthew 18:8 “If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you.
It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet,
to be cast into the everlasting fire.”

One of those extreme verses!: If you do NOT overcome sin, you will be cast into the fire.

Matthew 13:49-50 “So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth,
separate the wicked from among the just,
and cast them into the furnace of fire.
There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

The just are the righteous … the wicked are the unrighteous.
The wicked (habitual sinners, etc.) will be cast into the fire.


Matthew 13:37-43 “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom,
but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
The enemy who sowed them is the devil,
the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
The Son of Man will send out His angels,
and they will gather out of His kingdom
all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire.
There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth
as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”
The righteous are the good seeds of the kingdom sown by Jesus.
The unrighteous are “the sons of the wicked one” sown by the devil.


Who exactly are the “sons of the wicked one” in Matthew 13:38 above?
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous … In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God,
NOR is he who does NOT love his brothers/sisters
.” (1 John 3:7-10)

The “sons of the wicked one” do not practice righteousness.
The “sons of the wicked one” do not love other Christians.
A Palestinian shepherd wrote about his experiences with his mixed flock. He had to separate the sheep and the goats at the trough lest the goats push the sheep out of the way with their horns to get there first. A sheep does not use force.

Jesus was not violent.
 
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A Palestinian shepherd wrote about his experiences with his mixed flock. He had to separate the sheep and the goats at the trough lest the goats push the sheep out of the way with their horns to get there first. A sheep does not use force.

Jesus was not violent.

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A Palestinian shepherd wrote about his experiences with his mixed flock. He had to separate the sheep and the goats at the trough lest the goats push the sheep out of the way with their horns to get there first. A sheep does not use force.

Jesus was not violent.
He was violent when violence was the right response to the corruption in his temple. He will send the evil to their eternal destruction. What gets foggy is just where one falls in the sinning category. If a person believes they are without sin, they are decieved, IMO, and this coming from trying for a balanced reading of the entire word of God. Often our sin is not deliberate evil, it's neglect to do the good we could do. No one is perfect but the trinity. If all sinners go into the fire, we are all doomed.
 
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He was violent when violence was the right response to the corruption in his temple. He will send the evil to their eternal destruction. What gets foggy is just where one falls in the sinning category. If a person believes they are without sin, they are decieved, IMO, and this coming from trying for a balanced reading of the entire word of God. Often our sin is not deliberate evil, it's neglect to do the good we could do. No one is perfect but the trinity. If all sinners go into the fire, we are all doomed.

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
 
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He was violent when violence was the right response to the corruption in his temple. He will send the evil to their eternal destruction. What gets foggy is just where one falls in the sinning category. If a person believes they are without sin, they are decieved, IMO, and this coming from trying for a balanced reading of the entire word of God. Often our sin is not deliberate evil, it's neglect to do the good we could do. No one is perfect but the trinity. If all sinners go into the fire, we are all doomed.

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Sorry my "eternal" friend>>>>>

You are only allowed 70 X 7 forgiveness exemptions!

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
 
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Matthew 25:33-46 “And He (the Son of Man) will set the sheep on His right hand,
but the goats on the left.
Then the King will say to those on His right hand,
‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you
from the foundation of the world” … Then He will also say to those on the left hand,
Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for
the devil and his angels.
… Assuredly, I say to you,
inasmuch as you did not do it (help) to one of the least of these,
you did not do it to Me.
And these will go away into everlasting punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.”

The sheep are the righteous believers who inherit the kingdom of God/Christ.
The sheep hear Jesus voice, He knows them, and they follow Him (John 10:27).
The goats do NOT inherit the kingdom … they are habitual sinners (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-21, Eph. 5:3-6).
The righteous do good works … while the unrighteous are lacking in doing good works.
The goats are the unrighteous who get cast into the fire.


John 15:2-6Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He (Father God) takes away;
and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear
more fruit.
… He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much
fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned
.”

Believers who do NOT (continue to) abide in Jesus do NOT bear fruit and are thrown into the fire!

Matthew 3:10-12 “Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit
is cut down and thrown
into the fire. … (God will) gather His wheat into the barn;
but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Those who do NOT bear good fruit are thrown into the fire.
The chaff is separated from the wheat and is thrown into the fire.


Matthew 7:15-20 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly
they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. … every good tree bears good fruit,
but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

False prophets do NOT bear good fruit and are thrown into the fire.

Matthew 18:8 “If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you.
It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet,
to be cast into the everlasting fire.”

One of those extreme verses!: If you do NOT overcome sin, you will be cast into the fire.

Matthew 13:49-50 “So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth,
separate the wicked from among the just,
and cast them into the furnace of fire.
There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

The just are the righteous … the wicked are the unrighteous.
The wicked (habitual sinners, etc.) will be cast into the fire.


Matthew 13:37-43 “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom,
but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
The enemy who sowed them is the devil,
the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
The Son of Man will send out His angels,
and they will gather out of His kingdom
all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire.
There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth
as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”
The righteous are the good seeds of the kingdom sown by Jesus.
The unrighteous are “the sons of the wicked one” sown by the devil.


Who exactly are the “sons of the wicked one” in Matthew 13:38 above?
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous … In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God,
NOR is he who does NOT love his brothers/sisters
.” (1 John 3:7-10)

The “sons of the wicked one” do not practice righteousness.
The “sons of the wicked one” do not love other Christians.

From the saved thief on the cross is we learn we are all sinners in need of a Savior, and no matter the number of our sins and no matter if we, or the world, think our sins are minor or extreme, it is never too late to repent and accept the free gift of salvation (Ephesians 2:8–9; Revelation 22:17)

Luke 12:48

48 But the one who did not know and did what deserved punishment will receive a light beating. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, even more will be expected.
 
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From the saved thief on the cross is we learn we are all sinners in need of a Savior
Not from the thief, no, that is not the lesson at all. (did anyone teach that somewhere?)

and no matter the number of our sins and no matter if we, or the world, think our sins are minor or extreme, it is never too late to repent and accept the free gift of salvation
This also is contrary to all Scripture.
While their is LIGHT, choose who to serve.... there is a day very soon that it will be too late... (for most people on earth it may be already too late - as written they refuse to repent of worshiping demons)
 
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Sorry my "eternal" friend>>>>>

You are only allowed 70 X 7 forgiveness exemptions!

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
True, which is why we are not held accountable for our sins that are under the blood. Doesn't mean we can't fall into disbelief if we deliberately sin, though.
 
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True, which is why we are not held accountable for our sins that are under the blood. Doesn't mean we can't fall into disbelief if we deliberately sin, though.

Sorry Ren

"But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken."

You are only allowed 70 X 7 forgiveness exceptions
 
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Not from the thief, no, that is not the lesson at all. (did anyone teach that somewhere?)

This also is contrary to all Scripture.
While their is LIGHT, choose who to serve.... there is a day very soon that it will be too late... (for most people on earth it may be already too late - as written they refuse to repent of worshiping demons)

so, you believe the thief on the cross was not saved?
Did he live a "christian" life? Did he "serve".

The thief recognized he (himself) was a sinner, when one does this they also recognize they need a Savior.

Luke 23

40But the other one rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same judgment? 41We are punished justly, for we are receiving what our actions deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” 42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”

43And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

Romans 9:15

For God said to Moses, “I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.”

As we learn more about the Lord we have a greater responsibility and are called to serve out of Love for Him but only He knows the heart.

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.

2nd Corinthians 6:2
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2 For God says, “At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation, I helped you.” Indeed, the “right time” is now.

Today is the day of salvation.

I pray all will receive Jesus today AMEN.
 
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But just remember Paul's words
"If righteousness came by the law, Christ died in vain".
I prefer to lean on Jesus forgiveness not my own works.
You are like most everyone else ... confusing what "law" means!
The "law" that Paul usually refers to is the law of Moses.
BACs are NOT responsible for following the law of Moses.

And the law of Moses has nothing at all to do with the so-called NT "works" of
loving Jesus, obeying Jesus' commandments, practicing righteousness, etc.
If one doesn't understand what Jesus' commandments are,
I suggest they are found in the 4 Gospels.
 
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I saw this as interesting regarding obeying the Law and not receiving Grace thru faith:
Galatians 5:1-9
versus ...
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God
I suggest that you consider (along with ALL of the NT) that ...
your Ephesians 2:8-9 ONLY refers to INITIALLY becoming a BAC!

Many NT passages are dire warnings about MAINTAINING one's salvation!

MAINTAINING one's salvation is every bit as important as RECEIVING salvation.

Because one may choose to fall away from the faith in favor of practicing sin, etc.
 
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With God, all things work together for the good.
I think you need to be shrewd enough to
understand exactly who your above applies to ...

Romans 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good
to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose."


Do you qualify for both of these conditions?
 
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"But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment
for every empty word they have spoken."
Yes, but there is no proof that this refers to salvation!
Could be referring to rewards ... I'm not sure.
There are MANY better NT passages referring to losing salvation!
 
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Yes, but there is no proof that this refers to salvation!
Could be referring to rewards ... I'm not sure.
There are MANY better NT passages referring to losing salvation!
But can "everyone" have any understanding of things spiritual, including salvation ?

You know, I'm sure, the Bible says only a few are given understanding....
 
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The thief recognized he (himself) was a sinner,
when one does this they also recognize they need a Savior.
IMO, multitudes in your blessed America are BIG-TIME sinners,
but don't see themselves as in need of a SAVIOR.
 
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I suggest that you consider (along with ALL of the NT) that ...
your Ephesians 2:8-9 ONLY refers to INITIALLY becoming a BAC!

Many NT passages are dire warnings about MAINTAINING one's salvation!

MAINTAINING one's salvation is every bit as important as RECEIVING salvation.

Because one may choose to fall away from the faith in favor of practicing sin, etc.

This has been a good discussion for me. As I feared since I am a sinner I would be cast into the lake of fire from the way you presented it. But what I found was different.

Galatians 5:1-9 indicated that the Law will not save you but instead will condemn you, such that Grace is required for salvation. In other words, like the Lords prayer I quoted in Luke 18:9-14, we are all sinners and need humility when seeking the Lord.

And yes the Lord's command as quoted in posts #2 & 3 that warn of the lake of fire, are there for us to know Gods will for us. But I can tell probably we all fall short of following them exactly, which is why I feel I'm a sinner like that expressed in Luke 18:9-14.

I mean how many of us take in the homeless and feed the hungry (noting these are things I do), and visit the sick and them in prison? But I fall short still. Grace then is my hope and salvation!
 
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Sorry Ren

"But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken."

You are only allowed 70 X 7 forgiveness exceptions
I figured you were more of the "three free sins" crowd...which really means indefinite free sins. The only sin that is gonna take you to spiritual death is unbelief, but the other sins are means that can get you there.
 
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