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A little leaven leavens the whole lump. —Galatians 5:9

Secular ideals are infiltrating the church and being championed by believers. What are the greatest dangers of “leaven” we’re facing and how are you standing against them?

What do you say to fellow Christians whose convictions are in opposition to the bible’s principles? How do we reconcile social justice in light of the Word?
 

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A little leaven leavens the whole lump. —Galatians 5:9

Secular ideals are infiltrating the church and being championed by believers. What are the greatest dangers of “leaven” we’re facing and how are you standing against them?

What do you say to fellow Christians whose convictions are in opposition to the bible’s principles? How do we reconcile social justice in light of the Word?
I thought this was going to be about food...

A secular idea would be separating your Christian life and Secular life, they don't preach it but it seems to be shown. I am not saying to go and repeat "Lord" and "Jesus" a thousand times in your conversations but there should be at least some knowledge that you are Christian.
 
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A little leaven leavens the whole lump. —Galatians 5:9

Secular ideals are infiltrating the church and being championed by believers. What are the greatest dangers of “leaven” we’re facing and how are you standing against them?

What do you say to fellow Christians whose convictions are in opposition to the bible’s principles? How do we reconcile social justice in light of the Word?

The passage is not about secularism in the slightest.
If the letters to the churches have any value at all, at least stay
on the topic they are written about.
 
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The passage is not about secularism in the slightest.
If the letters to the churches have any value at all, at least stay
on the topic they are written about.

I didn’t say it was. I provided the context in the post. If you’d prefer to abstain that’s okay.
 
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A little leaven leavens the whole lump. —Galatians 5:9

Secular ideals are infiltrating the church and being championed by believers. What are the greatest dangers of “leaven” we’re facing and how are you standing against them?

What do you say to fellow Christians whose convictions are in opposition to the bible’s principles? How do we reconcile social justice in light of the Word?


There are a few ways or means.

1) Having a particular Church tradition helps it really nips a lot of things in the bud because when a person claims the Church should do X and quote a Bible passage for some radical social justice idea you can answer back with lots more biblical proofs against it from the traditional Christian perspective.


2) Naive Realism is another big point related to the first point. naïve realism is the human tendency "to believe that we see the world around us objectively, and that people who disagree with us must be uninformed, irrational, or biased."

Naïve realism (psychology) - Wikipedia


Anyway many of the Social Justice folks much like other kinds of fundamentalists are naive realists and frequently are Bulverists. But there position which they take to try to guilt trip you etc. by assuming it can be turned on them as far as deconstruction etc. and shown to be false, filled with logical fallacies and otherwise not well thought out.

Bulverism - Wikipedia



I would say on the whole the social justice event can be a good thing. Lots of people in the Church are not interested in theology etc. but some kind of controversy actually can show the practical side or need for such things. Some of the Sacramental nature of church liturgics as a reflection of Jewish notions of Holiness and what they mean to us as far as Types, shadows, rules of faith are one example. Because these things are based on ancient scriptures etc. that reflect the Divine Economy. etc.

Economy (religion) - Wikipedia
 
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A little leaven leavens the whole lump. —Galatians 5:9

Secular ideals are infiltrating the church and being championed by believers. What are the greatest dangers of “leaven” we’re facing and how are you standing against them?

What do you say to fellow Christians whose convictions are in opposition to the bible’s principles? How do we reconcile social justice in light of the Word?

"Each should be convinced in his own mind."
"Each should do what they think is the right thing to do."
 
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I thought this was going to be about food...

Sheesh! You ask a lot.;-)

A secular idea would be separating your Christian life and Secular life, they don't preach it but it seems to be shown. I am not saying to go and repeat "Lord" and "Jesus" a thousand times in your conversations but there should be at least some knowledge that you are Christian.

That might be a little excessive. How do you handle ideals put forth by Christians that conflict with your Orthodox beliefs?
 
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Not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of [sincerity and truth].


“Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them [pagan religious customs] …
and that thou inquire not after their gods
 
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People can treat God like He is distant and mainly watching us while we have to do what He wants, and pretty much figure out His will for us, on our own. Ones do not believe the Bible means God personally guides His children . . . in His own peace, though it is written >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
 
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A little leaven leavens the whole lump. —Galatians 5:9

Secular ideals are infiltrating the church and being championed by believers. What are the greatest dangers of “leaven” we’re facing and how are you standing against them?

What do you say to fellow Christians whose convictions are in opposition to the bible’s principles? How do we reconcile social justice in light of the Word?

I find a lot of spirituality in things people call "Secular" so I don't know. I guess it depends on what you consider secular. Perhaps a Ouija board is secular. Government is not secular technically. Some of the songs I listen to are not secular and have some religious value. Yet some of them are secular and I still find an enjoyable rhythm to them.

Interesting :)
 
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For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)

-Some of the bibles warning to the church,
and another gospel being preached.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(2 Thessalonians 2:11)

Jesus Christ warned, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:4–5).

"There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ" (Galatians 1:7).

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8–9).

For (false Christs) and (false prophets shall rise), and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22 (KJV)

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24

Beware of (false prophets), which come to you in (sheep's clothing), but inwardly they are ravening wolves.(Matthew 7:15)

As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may (charge certain persons) not to teach (any different doctrine)(1 Timothy 3)

But there were (false prophets) also among the people, even as there shall be (false teachers among you), who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2 Peter 2:1)

These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow their natural instincts because they do not have God’s Spirit
in them.(Jude 1:19)

In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.(2 Peter 2:3)

a man named Simon had been a sorcerer there for many years, amazing the people of Samaria and claiming to be someone great, a god to the people.

Everyone, from the least to the greatest, often spoke of him as “the Great One—the Power of God.” They listened closely to him because for a long time he had astounded them with his magic. (Acts 8:9-10)


These are the things you are to teach and insist on. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 1 Timothy 6:3

Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and (teachings that come from demons). 1 Timothy 4:14

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?(Matthew 7:22)

"Many will "begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' Jesus said "Depart from Me, (all you workers of iniquity)."


Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years) I never stopped (warning each of you night and day with tears).Acts 20:30

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of (the lawless) and (fall from your secure position).(2 Peter 3:17)

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. (II Timothy 4:3)

I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will (come in among you after I leave), (not sparing the flock).Even some men from (your own group) will rise up and (distort the truth) in order to draw a following.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel,which is really no gospel at all.

(A great wave of persecution began that day), sweeping over the church in Jerusalem; and (all the believers except the apostles) were scattered through the regions of Judea and Samaria.(acts 8:9)
 
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What do you say to fellow Christians whose convictions are in opposition to the bible’s principles? How do we reconcile social justice in light of the Word?

Just to be clear to everyone,

Social Justice has nothing to do with socialism, communism, etc.

A capitalist nation can have social justice. There are countries that managed to achieve this. Only people who takes it out of proportion and slanders it with communism are those who loves money and hates the poor.
 
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A little leaven leavens the whole lump. —Galatians 5:9

Secular ideals are infiltrating the church and being championed by believers. What are the greatest dangers of “leaven” we’re facing and how are you standing against them?

What do you say to fellow Christians whose convictions are in opposition to the bible’s principles? How do we reconcile social justice in light of the Word?

Well, I know there are some dangers we have to deal with from "the outside," but I'm confident that wearing red-tights and a cape isn't one of them ...

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... besides, I figure if brother Zachary Levi can do it, well then, so can I! ^_^ SHA--ZAAAAAM !!!
 
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Well, I know there are some dangers we have to deal with from "the outside," but I'm confident that wearing red-tights and a cape isn't one of them ...

ImpureThirdBillygoat-size_restricted.gif


... besides, I figure if brother Zachary Levi can do it, well then, so can I! ^_^ SHA--ZAAAAAM !!!

It will be weeks before I can shake that image from my brain ^_^
 
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Though we are warned to not stray from the tradition we are also warned to not quench the spirit. Therefore we must be wise and discerning as to what is bad for us and what is good. God is the God of the whole universe and all things work for the good, especially for us. We cannot avoid all leaven because in Matthew 13:33 it appears to be a good.

Why is there so much talk of trump anyways? What do politics have to do with the church? God how I wish it would be cast into the ocean and be forgotten. I hate how Christians try to solve their problems with politics and the kingdom of Caesar. Ever since the church was adopted as the official religion of the state the Church became too secular. The monks were disgusted by it and fled.

The church should not have anything to do with Nations or politics. Christians should be concerned with other Christians. Thanks to the strict nature of governments we cannot have Christians fleeing to safer places. They're just a foreigner, not a Christian. Everyone is so concerned about the welfare of their own Nation. The Christians were supposed to help one another. There is only one Christian Nation and it is God's Kingdom.
 
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