Children in the Rapture?

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How can it not be real since Paul wrote of the rapture?



I tend to think when some folks hear the word 'rapture' they are probably mainly thinking the Pretrib version, thus they see it as total nonsense.

Per my understanding there is indeed a rapture, but not that those raptured are going to heaven, but that they are being changed as they meet Jesus in the air, And that they all gather together in one location with Jesus in the air as he is descending towards earth, and in the process end up becoming the armies seen with Jesus in Revelation 19, where they then confront the beast and it's armies.
 
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Are all men, women and children included with those in these 2 verses?

Rev 6:9
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. [Revelation 15:8]

Rev 6:11
Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Rev 7:14
And I said to Him, “Sir, you know.” So He said to me,
“These are those who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 15:8
And is being replete the Sanctuary/naoV <3485> of smoke out of the Glory of the God and out of the power of Him.
And no one was able to be entering into the Sanctuary<3485> until should be being finished the seven blows of the seven Messengers.

I don't know about children being included, especially if they were still fairly young. I don't think this would be their battle, so to speak. But these same children would still be present here while these things were taking place though.
 
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Well lol what did you expect. Well say "rapture" and ... the can is open now. I always like how Paul said it. He never said "they that remain" Why use a word like "we"? Why include himself. So far man is telling us when its not or will happen. Man its telling us "what that verse really means". Amazing to me that ALL those people that believe in "caught up" "pre trib" going back to before 300ad are all wrong.

Yet here you are day in day out going back and forth about so many different things..knowing your right and their wrong. I can just toss out a few things or Christian groups and watch what happens.

Heres the facts. No matter your my personal beliefs..its NOT the gospel. Its not his word its MANS. And we have no say in this. OT-NT I will never see Gods wrath as long as I am on this earth. Man has no say in that. God already did. Jesus went back to make me and you that believe in Him a home where His Father is. Man has no say in that. He is coming back and shout voice trump will happen. Some will be watching some will not be. They have faith in a day they were never promised. So many do not live in the moment God gave them. For me NOW is when He will always come. I am ready every moment. And I LOVE thinking about Him none stop! Always watching what I do think say.. for HIS glory.

As for Children.. Noah? Did Noah have kids? How many on the planet then had kids? Yeah.. could have been millions or billions.. no one knows. Sodom and Gomorrah? Just men lived there? :) no.. kids there. Yet lot was the only righteous. And he had to be gone. For me I read whats coming is on the world. All the unrighteous. As long as I am on this earth in this spot.. I will NEVER see His wrath.

So many get stuck on "death". When we die.. thats not death. No one when they die are gone for ever. God does not send His son when the WORLD hated Him and not care about kids.. He told us about birds.. how much more are we to Him. What is man that you are so mindful of him.

Remember.. YOU alone need to know Him and when He is coming. Not what so and so said. I only have now.. So.. in this HOUSE we are in.. I am at the window.. you can do what ever you wish. I have oil
 
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We are told that Children will be raptured up to be with Jesus. I am wondering what the cut off age is for that. For me this is difficult to understand. If a bunch of people were to disappear you would think that this would be enough evidence to show people the Bible was true. Also the idea that children would disappear or parents would disappear and leave children behind. This does not seem like something God would do. One theory I had was the rapture would take place during a world wide atomic war. There would be so much death and confusion so that people would not know what was going on. People that talk about a rapture never seem to discuss some of the practical implications of this sort of a theory.
Awesome topic to talk about, here’s my 2 cents worth.
Matthew 19:14 KJV - "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

The children wont be left behind. As far as age? We can only speculate. I don’t believe there will be a certain cut off age. If a teen has reached a point in their life where they were presented with the gospel and rejected it then they would suffer the consequence. Jeremiah 17:10 KJV - "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings." God knows our hearts and knows what we have need of before we ask. I’m sure he wont have any trouble sorting the chaff from the wheat.

The Greek word from this term “rapture” appears in 1 Thes. 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo in the Septuagint. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea , Act 8:39. and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven, 2Cor. 12:2-4. Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1Thes. 4:17 indicates the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.

We are the bride of Christ. In a Jewish marriage the wife would be betrothed to the husband. The husband would then go and build a house for them to live in and raise a family. Sometimes this would be just adding on to his parents house. The bride had to wait and didn’t know how long it would take for the groom to get all the material and supplies and build a house. When the groom was finished he would send a messenger or servants ahead of him on his way to retrieve his bride. The wedding ceremony and feast would then take place and the groom would take his bride and consecrate the marriage. We are waiting on the Groom to come for us. Jesus said “ my Father’s house has many mansions and I go prepare one for you”. If Jesus lets his bride go through the tribulation it would be the same as letting your wife get beaten up and then it would be a very short reception after the wedding. Jesus is coming back twice, once for his bride and the second time after the tribulation with his bride. While all the plagues are being poured out, John hears a great commotion. It is those who were caught up rejoicing and praising God. We are celebrating the wedding in Heaven while the unbelieving are facing the wrath of God on earth.

Revelation 19:1 KJV - "And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:"

Revelation 19:6 KJV - "And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth."

Revelation 19:7 KJV - "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready."

Revelation 19:8 KJV - "And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

Revelation 19:9 KJV - "And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God."

So when will the Harpazo occur? From the signs of the times, I have to say at any time. Many times throughout the Bible we are told to watch.

Matthew 24:42 KJV - "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

Matthew 24:43 KJV - "But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up."

Matthew 24:44 KJV - "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

I believe that verse 43 is a hint that we may know the the time, or close to it, if we watch. The word “watch” defined. (Strong’s Definitions Legend)
γρηγορεύω grēgoreúō,gray-gor-yoo'-o; from G1453; to keep awake, i.e. watch (literally or figuratively):—be vigilant, wake, (be) watch(-ful).
Thayers Lexicon, Metaphorically, to watchi. e. give strict attention to, be cautious, active: — to take heed lest through remissness and indolence some destructive calamity suddenly overtake one, Matthew 24:42; Matthew 25:13; Mark 13:35, [Mark 13:37];

Luke 12:36 KJV - "And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately."
Jesus is asking the crowd, are you going to be like those servants who are waiting on their Lord after the wedding has already taken place?. These are those waiting for the Lord’s second coming Afterthe marriage of the Lamb has taken place. However, for those who are watching and praying then there is an escape plan.

Luke 21:36 KJV - "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

The escape plan is the rapture of the church, the bride taken to be with the groom. The bride will be aware of the day the groom is coming because she is watching.


1 Thessalonians 5:1 KJV - "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you."

1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV - "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."

1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJV - "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

1 Thessalonians 5:4 KJV - "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."

1 Thessalonians 5:6 KJV - "Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober."

1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV - "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,"

We are not appointed to the wrath of the tribulation.

Revelation 3:3 KJV - "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."
So if we are watching? He won’t come upon us as a thief and we will know the hour.

Rev. 3:10 - Because thou has kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

I think that the rapture will be blamed on alien abduction. The world is fascinated with aliens now more than ever. They just had the Area 51 raid that turned into alien stock in Las Vegas. The Pope said that they expect contact very soon. He also said he would baptize the aliens but a cardinal stated that we might be the ones needing baptized by them. The Vatican has a giant state of the art telescope they named Lucifer located on Mt Graham in Arizona. The Air force has released videos of UFO’s that are being shown on the news. The government doesn’t seem to be hiding the fact that there is something else out there anymore. They are preparing the public for the introduction.

The strong delusion, I believe, is that these so called aliens are the fallen angels. When Jesus takes the bride, the missing people will be blamed on alien abduction. Christ will be dubbed the “Bad Aliens” who took away the people. Satan and his “Good” aliens will show up to “help” us out. This is why the entire world will want to destroy Jesus when he comes back the 2nd time after the tribulation. They will be deceived into thinking that good is evil.

Isaiah 5:20 KJV - "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

Jesus said the end would be like the days of Noah. Gen. Ch. 6, the fallen angels mated with human women producing hybrid giants. God told Satan he was going to create an enmity between the seed of the woman and his seed. Satan sent his gang down to screw up the DNA and blood of humankind. But Noah was found to be “perfect in his generations”. Noah’s bloodline had not been contaminated so his family was spared from the flood. These hybrids were called the Nephilim. This is where Goliath came from. They have found giant skeletons all over the world but the Smithsonian Institute has tried to keep the truth from us. In ancient mythology there are many hybrids of mankind and animals depicted. Some have said the fallen angels were responsible for this also. They created these powerful creatures that demanded to be worshiped as gods. They say that the UFO abductions that have been reported in modern times are responsible for the creation of Bigfoot and other hybrids. Missing 411 is an interesting show to watch about the hundreds of people who go missing each year in our national forests.
 
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So, it's a giant "U" turn?

How many do you think will survive the tribulation to be alive at the time of the rapture? You know... with the mark of the beast and everyone out to turn you in if you don't take the mark and being beheaded if you don't take it? Not to mention that you won't be able to buy or sell.....so no food, no work, no travel... just hiding and hiding... and hoping you can find a slow squirrel or road kill. .. for 3 and a half to seven years... That's a long time to be on the lamb with out food or shelter or, well anything.. and with your family to look after too.
Revelation 13:16 KJV - "And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:". Those who refuse will be beheaded. If God’s people are not taken away before the tribulation then they will all be killed for refusing to take the mark. So what church is Christ going to return for if they are all dead?
 
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Revelation 13:16 KJV - "And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:". Those who refuse will be beheaded. If God’s people are not taken away before the tribulation then they will all be killed for refusing to take the mark. So what church is Christ going to return for if they are all dead?


So why does Paul say at the time of the second coming that there are people who are alive and remain? How did they survive and not take the mark?
 
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This thread reminds me of a very important verse.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.…
 
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So why does Paul say at the time of the second coming that there are people who are alive and remain? How did they survive and not take the mark?
Excellent question. If you read it all in context, Paul was giving the church of Thessalonica advise on what not to do. Basically they were being reprimanded by Paul. Once the church members heard about the coming rapture they were sorrowful because of their love ones who had already passed away. They thought their dead relatives would not be going to Heaven with them. Paul then changes his tone and gives them the following words to comfort them and relieve them of their worries.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 KJV - "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."
Those who are asleep are the dead relatives. Paul is saying not to mourn over them like the lost unbelieving people mourn over their dead.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV - "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
If we believe in the Gospel and also those who are dead “in Jesus” God will bring the dead with him also.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJV - "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep." By the word of the Lord, the believers that are alive and waiting on God wont be raptured before those people who are dead in Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV - "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" The dead will go first.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV - "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Then the rest of us will be caught up with our dead “now resurrected” relatives in the air and be with God.
 
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This is what happens to those who were “left behind” and refuse to take the mark.
Revelation 20:4 KJV - "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
 
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My point is; there is no rapture to heaven for anyone. The OP is irrelevant.
Such an idea is never stated in the Bible. Only at the end of the Millennium does God and therefore heaven come to the earth. We humans never go there, Jesus said so; John 3:13
That verse must be taken in context

13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.

AT that Time he was speaking to them. This was before he was made an Atonement, before he sprinkled his blood on the altar, before John 20:17.

There is mention of souls under the altar so this could be the holding place before the end. See the verses quoted below

1 Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17.After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
It might be interesting for some to learn that today at sundown is that time mentioned above. It is the day called the day of blowing (the shofar, the trumpet) as well as the day of shouting.

It is called Rosh Hashanah or Yom Teruah. It is also the day for inaugurating Kings of Israel.

Rev 6:9
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. [Revelation 15:8]

I don't believe this is only Christians that are there, but also those from pre-Messianic times who kept the word of God, and died for it. This includes the Jews of old as well as those during the intertestamental period like the Maccabees who preferred being slaughtered to conforming to the heathen ways. Also those from the Inquisition times and other times like that.

Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

It is confirmed with that above, there are two distinct categories, the fellow servants (which I would guess would be both Christians and Jews and brethren which defines those who were under the throne previously.

I like the pre trib better.. You know, since Christ stated that He would never leave me or forsake me.. and the "one who restrains" is taken out of the world before the antichrist can take power.. so.. if I remain.. then I am forsaken...

There are many interpretations on the restrainer.
 
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It is interesting to note that the word 'air' here:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

The word used in Greek means the air we breath, so it is not in heaven nor on earth but a place in-between, I would say a place that HaSatan can not get to us and that is reserved space as it were not accessable to the prince of the power of the air.

Also it doesn't say what the time period is of that time after the Lord descends. It doesn't say he comes to earth, nor does it say how much after that it will be.
 
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It is interesting to note that the word 'air' here:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

The word used in Greek means the air we breath, so it is not in heaven nor on earth but a place in-between, I would say a place that HaSatan can not get to us and that is reserved space as it were not accessable to the prince of the power of the air.

Also it doesn't say what the time period is of that time after the Lord descends. It doesn't say he comes to earth, nor does it say how much after that it will be.
STRONGS NT 109: ἀήρ
ἀήρ, ἀέρος, ὁ, (ἄημι, ἄω, [cf. ἄνεμος, at the beginning]), the air (particularly the lower and denser, as distinguished from the higher and rarer ὁ αἰθήρ, cf. Homer, Iliad 14, 288), the atmospheric region: Acts 22:23; 1 Thessalonians 4:17;
The KJV translates Strong's G109 in the following manner: air (7x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air

  2. the atmospheric region
 
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We are told that Children will be raptured up to be with Jesus. I am wondering what the cut off age is for that. For me this is difficult to understand. If a bunch of people were to disappear you would think that this would be enough evidence to show people the Bible was true. Also the idea that children would disappear or parents would disappear and leave children behind. This does not seem like something God would do. One theory I had was the rapture would take place during a world wide atomic war. There would be so much death and confusion so that people would not know what was going on. People that talk about a rapture never seem to discuss some of the practical implications of this sort of a theory.

Sorry for jumping in late. But when the Rapture happens, it comes sometime before the trib as Paul ( we are not destined for wrath but deliverance from the wrath which is the70th week of Daniel)wrote.

Jesus said unless someone is born from above they cannot see the kingdom of God! The bible does not teach teh hypothesis that babies are automatically saved until some mystical age of accoutnability, and then once they sin , they lose that salvation and have to get the John 3:16 salvation!

But the rapture is to deliver the saints to be with the Lord- to reward them in heaven for their works, marry the church and return to set up the millenial kingdom. What God does with Children is HIs business, He did not tell us!

Well the practical implications will be devastating! it will cause utter chaos on earth. Whether the antichrist has risen to political power yet or not we do not know, but HIs rise won't take long if it hasn't happened!

The seals, trumpets, and bowls are horrible things as well and God will do these also!

Also God is going to make people belioeve a lie so they will be damned!

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 King James Version (KJV)
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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Sounds kinda impossible huh? Good thing God is there and has a plan for people to survive the trib and be raptured at the end of it.

What do you think His plan is?

I think it is simple. I think He is going to take us all out of it, with the Rapture.

But, would really like to hear your idea on how he is going to protect 2.2 billion people from the world leader, when the Holy Spirit is no longer restraining Satan.
 
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The problem is that Paul places the rapture after the great trib has ended so liking something that isn't real doesn't really help. I like the version where there is no trib, no Christians being killed and no devil...that's not in the bible but I like that one "better".
According to you.

Christ compared the end to the "days of Noah" and "the time of Sodom and Gomorrah"

In both these cases, the people who He was saving from the danger, were removed far enough from it. Now, if the entire globe is in turmoil... He will do the same. Not like the time before the exodus.. Christ doesn't compare it to the plagues of that time..

Noah was lifted up in the ark. Lot was lead away from the danger. The Christians will be taken out of the earth, meet Christ in the air and come back with Him at the end.

Not a giant gathering of the one or two still living Christians and the millions of dead ones who have been resurrected, to meet in the clouds and return right then and there.
 
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If Jesus leaves heaven then returns back there moments later, that doesn't equal a giant "U" turn as well?

So, now, we have the raptured souls going back to heaven for a coffee break? How long. Someone already posted that we will meet in the air and then come down...

I believe we will meet with Him in the air.... at the rapture... but this is not the second coming. Christ does not set foot on the earth at this time..

At the second coming, we come with Him alright... but we have already been judged, rewarded, the marriage of the bride of Christ has taken place and the Marriage feast.. then He returns.

And what about these?
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

These that sleep in Jesus that God will bring with Him, where are they initially located prior to being brought with Him?

There are lots of theories on the location of those believers who have died already. Wherever they are, they will be reunited with the living believers, who will all get heavenly bodies at the time of the rapture.

Most folks think they are in heaven with Jesus. Assuming that is correct, why would they need to be brought with Him if they are going to do a giant "U" turn when Jesus goes back to heaven moments later. What is the logic in that?

They are going to be resurrected either way. Right? We are told that the "Dead in Christ" rise first.. That's a given...

To ask why they would then go back to heaven.. is odd... Why would they be resurrected in this manner at all in either case?

God is doing this for some reason. The graves will be opened and these people will get their new bodies just before ours are changed in an instant. This has not indication or application as to whether it is pre, post or mid trib.
 
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Sorry for jumping in late. But when the Rapture happens, it comes sometime before the trib as Paul ( we are not destined for wrath but deliverance from the wrath which is the70th week of Daniel)wrote.

I agree with this.. The bible says to "comfort each other with these words". What words? The words of the rapture and us being taken...

Can't say that I'm too comforted by "well we will go through this hell on earth, probably get beheaded.. but.. comfort each other that God will rapture those that don't die"

Jesus said unless someone is born from above they cannot see the kingdom of God! The bible does not teach teh hypothesis that babies are automatically saved until some mystical age of accoutnability, and then once they sin , they lose that salvation and have to get the John 3:16 salvation!

Ya, cannot support this view.

But the rapture is to deliver the saints to be with the Lord- to reward them in heaven for their works, marry the church and return to set up the millenial kingdom. What God does with Children is HIs business, He did not tell us!

Well the practical implications will be devastating! it will cause utter chaos on earth. Whether the antichrist has risen to political power yet or not we do not know, but HIs rise won't take long if it hasn't happened!

The seals, trumpets, and bowls are horrible things as well and God will do these also!

Also God is going to make people belioeve a lie so they will be damned!

Yes, this is on track with my take on it.
 
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I tend to think when some folks hear the word 'rapture' they are probably mainly thinking the Pretrib version, thus they see it as total nonsense.

Per my understanding there is indeed a rapture, but not that those raptured are going to heaven, but that they are being changed as they meet Jesus in the air, And that they all gather together in one location with Jesus in the air as he is descending towards earth, and in the process end up becoming the armies seen with Jesus in Revelation 19, where they then confront the beast and it's armies.
Why would it be total nonsense if it is pre trib.. but not if it's post?
 
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Revelation 13:16 KJV - "And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:". Those who refuse will be beheaded. If God’s people are not taken away before the tribulation then they will all be killed for refusing to take the mark. So what church is Christ going to return for if they are all dead?
I agree... At the end of 7 years of the worst hatred towards Christians... who would be there to meet in the sky after the dead in Christ rise first? All would be dead.

There is no miraculous protection of the 2.2 billion Christians on this earth... during the time of the antichrist.... after "The one who restrains" is taken out of the earth.... other than a pre trib rapture.
 
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STRONGS NT 109: ἀήρ
ἀήρ, ἀέρος, ὁ, (ἄημι, ἄω, [cf. ἄνεμος, at the beginning]), the air (particularly the lower and denser, as distinguished from the higher and rarer ὁ αἰθήρ, cf. Homer, Iliad 14, 288), the atmospheric region: Acts 22:23; 1 Thessalonians 4:17;
The KJV translates Strong's G109 in the following manner: air (7x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air

  2. the atmospheric region
And?
 
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