Calling out False Teachers

tturt said:

And every believer has their own definition of decent and in order and some have studied. Not every Pentecostal or Charmastic believer just wants the emotional aspects.

David danced to honor The Lord. II Sam 6;74

They haven't ceased. We still have apostles and prophets

Also, Perry Stone's communion package doesn't make any promise beyond what Scripture states, based on I Pet 2:24, "With the stripes of Jesus I am healed”

Previously I was a cessionist but thankfully I'm not now.

So what's real is you have your opinions and interpretations and I have mine. More importantly, even though we've come to different conclusions, we are still part of His body.

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I somehow can’t imagine anyone seeing David’s under garments during his dancing for the Lord.

Also, God does instruct how one is to dress and be modest. Not to encourage others in the family of God to sinful or lustful thoughts.

God actually says one has committed adultery that lusts after another.

So people that approve most likely do so for other reasons that Godliness

David's dancing and clothing:

"Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!" II Sam 6:20

But David let her know "David said unto Michal, It was before the Lord, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel: therefore will I play before the Lord.

22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour."

Was her barrenness the result of her judgement? The next verse is:

23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death."

(I dont encourage anyone to dress inappropriately).

By His stripes, we are healed: I read it- because of Jesus' sacrifice, we can be made whole - spirit, soul, and body (I Thess 5:23).

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" (Eph 4) So He continues to use believers to serve in these and other areas. Godly prophets won't contradict Scripture. Of course neither should apostles, teachers, etc.




Love God and one another.

tturt said:

David's dancing and clothing:

"Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!" II Sam 6:20

But David let her know "David said unto Michal, It was before the Lord, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel: therefore will I play before the Lord.

22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour."

Was her barrenness the result of her judgement? The next verse is:

23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death."

(I dont encourage anyone to dress inappropriately).

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from these verse references concerning David, we must remember a few things here:

1. David is a man AFTER God's own heart, so when the ARK was finally coming to Judah, David was overfilled with joy because this brought him even closer to God in a physical sense.

2. knowing where the ARK is coming from (captivity), David was rejoicing at God's hidden hand behind the scenes enabling the ARK to be returned back to the Hebrew peoples. this was a Great time to Bless and Worship God!!

3. the ARK = God, it's coming to be in David's Kingdom and possessions. David was worshipping God by recognizing the Ark and it's Spiritual and Priceless Value.


David was so hungry for God that when the news had arrived and he saw those transporting the ARK getting closer, he did not even think about other humans around him, he forgot they even existed, David truly was filled with the Holy Spirit and he got lost in GOD, like WE ALL SHOULD BE DOING!!

it's good to forget you have peeps around you because GOD is that IMPORTANT to YOU!!

this, in my opinion, is a case where David was so in tune with his belief, honor, love, devotion to YAHWEH, he just forgot about life, people, being a king, being a human, being whatever David represented at that time...he literally just forgot it all because he was so focused upon his GOD. he just began rejoicing and worshiping through Dance, Song, Praise. and just like then, TODAY, we have those who won't recognize "someone lost in God via the Holy Spirit, but will be just like David's [wife], critical, condemning, destructive and ALL BECAUSE they cannot ever get to that "same point" in their own personal walk and Relationship with GOD!!

Preaching to the choir - so to speak - from my perspective.





Love God and love another.

tturt said:

Preaching to the choir - so to speak - from my perspective.

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i knew You understood David praised God spontaneously and allowed himself to be lost in worship. i quoted You to clarify what your scripture intent should mean. this had nothing to do with your post at all with exception to your scripture reference. many people abuse this specific passage of scripture but i knew You understood it perfectly!!

Student of Yah said:

WHO came after the Apostles, happened during the time of John, even after being released from Patmos, were John's own Disciples like Polycarp.

and Polycarp under the guise of John's teachings and leadership brought us into the era of the "Church Fathers."

and we can trace John, his Disciple Polycarp, Polycarp's own Disciples, their Disciples and the list continues.

You know what else these Disciples continues and kept teaching their own Disciples and churches they visited..., the Gift of Tongues.



and verse 10 is well known that verse is speaking of the Native Tongue (like the language you speak Naturally). this verse "has Nothing" to do with the Holy Spirit's Gift of Tongues!

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NO one came after the Apostles. When John died that closed the office of the Apostle.

There are NO Scriptures anywhere in the Bible that instruct, teach or even suggest the office of Apostles continues.

Major1 said:

NO one came after the Apostles. When John died that closed the office of the Apostle.

There are NO Scriptures anywhere in the Bible that instruct, teach or even suggest the office of Apostles continues.

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my post did not claim the office of Apostle had continued.

it implied by the very ACT of John himself, choosing to Disciple others in order to continue the work that began with Yeshua, keeps us in touch with WHOM we we read about within the New Testament and especially directly to our Lord and Savior!!

it keeps the literal ways of what the Apostles practiced and kept valuable. and it keeps the lineage alive, the Gifts of the Holy Spirit active, and the era of the Church Fathers, connected directly to the Apostle John himself and down the generations to where we are today.

and look at how great the knowledge we are gaining in these past 10 years like Daniel and Paul (Yeshua directing Paul) had prophesied concerning the "Last Days; End Times."

Student of Yah said:

my post did not claim the office of Apostle had continued.

it implied by the very ACT of John himself, choosing to Disciple others in order to continue the work that began with Yeshua, keeps us in touch with WHOM we we read about within the New Testament and especially directly to our Lord and Savior!!

it keeps the literal ways of what the Apostles practiced and kept valuable. and it keeps the lineage alive, the Gifts of the Holy Spirit active, and the era of the Church Fathers, connected directly to the Apostle John himself and down the generations to where we are today.

and look at how great the knowledge we are gaining in these past 10 years like Daniel and Paul (Yeshua directing Paul) had prophesied concerning the "Last Days; End Times."

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I can not agree with your theory.

What are the Scriptures that designate that John choose any disciples????

He in fact wrote lots of epistles for all of us to grow in knowledge, but there are no Scriptures I know of where he choose any personal disciples.

To say that his actions kept alive the office of apostle is to read into the Scriptures something that is just not there.

Major1 said:

I can not agree with your theory.

What are the Scriptures that designate that John choose any disciples????

He in fact wrote lots of epistles for all of us to grow in knowledge, but there are no Scriptures I know of where he choose any personal disciples.

To say that his actions kept alive the office of apostle is to read into the Scriptures something that is just not there.

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John, the Beloved, was more connected to the Holy Spirit than you have the ability to even comprehend. He did what God would have led him to do. there are no reasons to have suspect concerning Polycarp and others.

In fact, just a little RESEARCH, and this information can be discovered.

But then again, I also use the Torah and Aramaic (Greek for Paul/Yeshua) for Old/New Testaments.

I go to the source and dig to find sources in the things I state.

Student of Yah said:

John, the Beloved, was more connected to the Holy Spirit than you have the ability to even comprehend. He did what God would have led him to do. there are no reasons to have suspect concerning Polycarp and others.

In fact, just a little RESEARCH, and this information can be discovered.

But then again, I also use the Torah and Aramaic (Greek for Paul/Yeshua) for Old/New Testaments.

I go to the source and dig to find sources in the things I state.

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You are no doubt correct in what you just said. He was for sure very loved by the Lord Jesus.

However my dear brother, that still does not mean that there are Scriptures which say that the office of Apostle continued after John died. There are simply no such Scriptures in the Bible.

Major1 said:

You are no doubt correct in what you just said. He was for sure very loved by the Lord Jesus.

However my dear brother, that still does not mean that there are Scriptures which say that the office of Apostle continued after John died. There are simply no such Scriptures in the Bible.

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if You believe in the Same God as the Hebrews did, the Bible is still writing itself, to show proofs of the unfulfilled prophecies now being fulfilled!!

God is the SAME yesterday, today, and forever!!

Student of Yah said:

if You believe in the Same God as the Hebrews did, the Bible is still writing itself, to show proofs of the unfulfilled prophecies now being fulfilled!!

God is the SAME yesterday, today, and forever!!

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No sir, I do not agree with your opinion.

The fulfilling of Bible prophecy does not mean in any way that the Bible is still being written.
WHY would you even think that is my question????

God IS the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The correct understanding of Hebrews 13:8 is that God is the same ALL THE TIME in His character, in His person and in His attributes.

However, He is NOT THE SAME in place or performance.

If you go to Israel as I have done, you will not see the Lord Jesus there. He is NOW in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father as our advocate with Him. PLACE!

If you look to Golgotha Jesus is NOT THERE on a cross today. He was yesterday but not today and will not be there tomorrow. PLACE!

YESTERDAY, about 5 thousand years ago, God saved 8 people with a BOAT. Do you know anyone today who is saved with a boat? NO. Today and tomorrow, ALL men can be saved by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. PERFORMANCE!

Major1 said:

No sir, I do not agree with your opinion.

The fulfilling of Bible prophecy does not mean in any way that the Bible is still being written.
WHY would you even think that is my question????

God IS the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The correct understanding of Hebrews 13:8 is that God is the same ALL THE TIME in His character, in His person and in His attributes.

However, He is NOT THE SAME in place or performance.

If you go to Israel as I have done, you will not see the Lord Jesus there. He is NOW in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father as our advocate with Him. PLACE!

If you look to Golgotha Jesus is NOT THERE on a cross today. He was yesterday but not today and will not be there tomorrow. PLACE!

YESTERDAY, about 5 thousand years ago, God saved 8 people with a BOAT. Do you know anyone today who is saved with a boat? NO. Today and tomorrow, ALL men can be saved by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. PERFORMANCE!

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so you are one who feels God just no longer interacts with humans any more.

here is the real kicker: Paul:
Paul claimed that Yeshua was PERSONALLy (like in bodily form) was directing what he did, wrote, said, everything. and then Paul said that Yeshua was PRESENT with him via the Holy Spirit. in Galatians Paul claimed the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of Yeshua.

so, if we have that SAME Holy Spirit within us, we are also connected to Yeshua (in present BODY FORM)...did He not say, when 2 or MORE are GATHERED in MY NAME, I AM IN THE MIDST!!

the Spirit of Yeshua, the Holy Spirit that lives inside of us is exactly how when we are TOGETHER in Yeshua's Name, that BODILY Yeshua is there PRESENT with us!!



you clearly need to study Paul better to continue this conversation.
because Paul proves the Holy Spirit continued as they all died, time passed, and new generations came to the scene!!


so Yeshua is STILL the SAME even in [PLACE] TODAY as He is in ALL THINGS!!

Student of Yah said:

so you are one who feels God just no longer interacts with humans any more.

here is the real kicker: Paul:
Paul claimed that Yeshua was PERSONALLy (like in bodily form) was directing what he did, wrote, said, everything. and then Paul said that Yeshua was PRESENT with him via the Holy Spirit. in Galatians Paul claimed the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of Yeshua.

so, if we have that SAME Holy Spirit within us, we are also connected to Yeshua (in present BODY FORM)...did He not say, when 2 or MORE are GATHERED in MY NAME, I AM IN THE MIDST!!

the Spirit of Yeshua, the Holy Spirit that lives inside of us is exactly how when we are TOGETHER in Yeshua's Name, that BODILY Yeshua is there PRESENT with us!!



you clearly need to study Paul better to continue this conversation.
because Paul proves the Holy Spirit continued as they all died, time passed, and new generations came to the scene!!


so Yeshua is STILL the SAME even in [PLACE] TODAY as He is in ALL THINGS!!

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It must be something in the water. This site seems to grow people who have the uncanny ability to say what was not said.

You actually said...……….
"so you are one who feels God just no longer interacts with humans any more."

Now then, is that what I actually said?

I said...........
"The fulfilling of Bible prophecy does not mean in any way that the Bible is still being written."

Let me clarify that for you. The Bible has been written and there is no more to be written to it.

I agree with you that some Bible study needs to be done, I just do not think that it is me.

You are clearly misstating what has been written to fit what you want the Bible to say.

That is always the 1st step toward false teaching.

May the Lord bless you as you study.

Major1 said:

It must be something in the water. This site seems to grow people who have the uncanny ability to say what was not said.

You actually said...……….
"so you are one who feels God just no longer interacts with humans any more."

Now then, is that what I actually said?

I said...........
"The fulfilling of Bible prophecy does not mean in any way that the Bible is still being written."

Let me clarify that for you. The Bible has been written and there is no more to be written to it.

I agree with you that some Bible study needs to be done, I just do not think that it is me.

You are clearly misstating what has been written to fit what you want the Bible to say.

That is always the 1st step toward false teaching.

May the Lord bless you as you study.

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God had a plan.


the First Part of God's Plan (can be debated since we know the Adversary fell and was once our [mediator] between God and the people living on Earth {some claim these people were Genesis 1:1 which in the literal Hebrew is explained as the FIRST CREATION before Adam}) was the Old Testament

the Second Part of that Plan was the New Testament, more specifically from Daniel-Revelation-we could add first Book of Enoch here in how the final steps of the New Testament Plays out.

the Third Part of God's Ultimate Plan was the lives of those living when these Daniel - Revelation - Enoch Prophecies fulfill themselves. And every day from John (like you had mentioned = Last Apostle) to the final casting into the Lake of Fire, is being written by God's Word speaking it into existence "daily."

We have the outline of what's happening.
but, it's every day fulfilling that outline is what is being Spoke into existence as of Currently. Each day represents a new specific we did not know how this new prophecy would exactly unfold...well...we are living those moments and days as God unfolds and Fulfills those Prophecies.

so we are a Continuation of God's Holy Word, it was just OUTLINED before it actually took place. we are in those days that it is finally taking place, as God Speaks it into existence by filling in the missing blanks and specifics of how it would unfold!!

Major1 said:

It must be something in the water. This site seems to grow people who have the uncanny ability to say what was not said.

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OH, you mean "society", which has access to all the public places including public forums like this one we are on ?
Remember as written "society is pernicious" (per Galatians, et al), not helpful, not good, not right, not truth seeking, not truth telling, etc et cetera and so on.....

Student of Yah said:

God had a plan.


the First Part of God's Plan (can be debated since we know the Adversary fell and was once our [mediator] between God and the people living on Earth {some claim these people were Genesis 1:1 which in the literal Hebrew is explained as the FIRST CREATION before Adam}) was the Old Testament

the Second Part of that Plan was the New Testament, more specifically from Daniel-Revelation-we could add first Book of Enoch here in how the final steps of the New Testament Plays out.

the Third Part of God's Ultimate Plan was the lives of those living when these Daniel - Revelation - Enoch Prophecies fulfill themselves. And every day from John (like you had mentioned = Last Apostle) to the final casting into the Lake of Fire, is being written by God's Word speaking it into existence "daily."

We have the outline of what's happening.
but, it's every day fulfilling that outline is what is being Spoke into existence as of Currently. Each day represents a new specific we did not know how this new prophecy would exactly unfold...well...we are living those moments and days as God unfolds and Fulfills those Prophecies.

so we are a Continuation of God's Holy Word, it was just OUTLINED before it actually took place. we are in those days that it is finally taking place, as God Speaks it into existence by filling in the missing blanks and specifics of how it would unfold!!

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I would like to say that I know what you are talking about but the truth is that I have NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING!

Do you have any links or resources that validate what you are trying to say???

I would at least like to know where you are coming from.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

OH, you mean "society", which has access to all the public places including public forums like this one we are on ?
Remember as written "society is pernicious" (per Galatians, et al), not helpful, not good, not right, not truth seeking, not truth telling, etc et cetera and so on.....

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NO my friend, I meant YOU. You said something that I did not say.

Major1 said:

NO my friend, I meant YOU. You said something that I did not say.

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I say and post a lot that you did not say or post.