Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

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“Babylon” or “Babylon the Great,” referred to in Revelations, is figurative because it does not have a physical location.(Revelations 1:1) It is described as a woman/harlot that rides the symbolic seven-headed beast-a symbol of political world powers. She is described to be a city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth. (Revelations 17:1-6, 15, 18) Her other identified characteristics is her drunkenness “with the blood of the holy ones.” (Revelations 18:22-24) Furthermore, because of her influences over governments by misleading them by her spiritualist practices, she either directly or indirectly persecuted/killed those in opposition to her spiritual fornication and false religious practices/doctrines. See for example: Exodus 34:12-16; Isaiah 1:21; Jeremiah 3:6-10. 13; Ezekiel 16:15-17, 20-38; John 15:19; James 4:4: Revelations 18:3, 9, 11. This apostasy has not gone unnoticed and judgment is awaiting her and of those that worship her.-Revelations 17:16; 18:2, 4, 5. In summary “Babylon/she” is the world empire of false religion.
 
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“Babylon” or “Babylon the Great,” referred to in Revelations, is figurative because it does not have a physical location.(Revelations 1:1) It is described as a woman/harlot that rides the symbolic seven-headed beast-a symbol of political world powers. She is described to be a city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth. (Revelations 17:1-6, 15, 18) Her other identified characteristics is her drunkenness “with the blood of the holy ones.” (Revelations 18:22-24) Furthermore, because of her influences over governments by misleading them by her spiritualist practices, she either directly or indirectly persecuted/killed those in opposition to her spiritual fornication and false religious practices/doctrines. See for example: Exodus 34:12-16; Isaiah 1:21; Jeremiah 3:6-10. 13; Ezekiel 16:15-17, 20-38; John 15:19; James 4:4: Revelations 18:3, 9, 11. This apostasy has not gone unnoticed and judgment is awaiting her and of those that worship her.-Revelations 17:16; 18:2, 4, 5. In summary “Babylon/she” is the world empire of false religion.
There was a false religion in 1st century Jerusalem...........
A literal great City is mentioned being related to Sodom..........
Only Jerusalem fits..........

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies upon the broad-place of the great City which-any being spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also/even their Lord was crucified. [Symolizing the Passover Lamb in Egypt?]

Genesis 19:24
Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens.

Rev 18:18
“and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great City?'

Jer 22:8
“And many nations will pass by this city; and everyone will say to his neighbor,
‘Why has the LORD done so to this great City?'

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished ! -- This fact is confirmed by Eusebius, who asserts that he himself saw the city lying in ruins ; and Josephus introduces Eleazer as exclaiming "Where is our great city, which, it was believed, GOD inhabited ? It is altogether rooted and torn up from its foundations ; and the only monument of it that remains, is the camp of its destroyers pitched amidst its reliques !"

Concerning the Temple, our LORD had foretold, particularly, that, notwithstanding their wonderful dimensions, there should "not be left one stone upon another that should not be thrown down ;" and, accordingly, it is recorded, in the Talmud, and by Maimonides, that Terentius Rufus, captain of the army of Titus, absolutely ploughed up the foundations of the Temple with a ploughshare. Now, also, was literally fulfilled that prophecy of Micah- "Therefore shall Zion, for your sakes (i. e. for your wickedness,) be ploughed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the LORD's house as the high places of the forest." (Micah iii. 12)

Thus awfully complete an ever, beyond example, were the calamities which befel the Jewish nation, and especially the city of Jerusalem. With what truth, then, did our LORD declare, that there should "be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world, no, nor ever shall be !" (Matt. xxiv. 21.)
 
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“Babylon” or “Babylon the Great,” referred to in Revelations, is figurative because it does not have a physical location.(Revelations 1:1) It is described as a woman/harlot that rides the symbolic seven-headed beast-a symbol of political world powers. She is described to be a city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth. (Revelations 17:1-6, 15, 18) Her other identified characteristics is her drunkenness “with the blood of the holy ones.” (Revelations 18:22-24) Furthermore, because of her influences over governments by misleading them by her spiritualist practices, she either directly or indirectly persecuted/killed those in opposition to her spiritual fornication and false religious practices/doctrines. See for example: Exodus 34:12-16; Isaiah 1:21; Jeremiah 3:6-10. 13; Ezekiel 16:15-17, 20-38; John 15:19; James 4:4: Revelations 18:3, 9, 11. This apostasy has not gone unnoticed and judgment is awaiting her and of those that worship her.-Revelations 17:16; 18:2, 4, 5. In summary “Babylon/she” is the world empire of false religion.
No. It's apostate Jerusalem/Israel.

*God told Moses way back before his death Israel would play the harlot - Deuteronomy 31

*God, through Ezekiel prophesied about the harlot - Ezekiel 16

*God, through Jeremiah prophesied Israel and Judah had a harlot's forehead - Jeremiah 3

There's much more to reference if you need it. Mystery Babylon has nothing to do with anyone but His covenant people who were israel. That's who Mystery Babylon is.
 
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Babylon is everyone that worships the AC as God. It isn't limited to any one people but is global concerning all peoples.



No. It's apostate Jerusalem/Israel.

*God told Moses way back before his death Israel would play the harlot - Deuteronomy 31

*God, through Ezekiel prophesied about the harlot - Ezekiel 16

*God, through Jeremiah prophesied Israel and Judah had a harlot's forehead - Jeremiah 3

There's much more to reference if you need it. Mystery Babylon has nothing to do with anyone but His covenant people who were israel. That's who Mystery Babylon is.
 
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Babylon is everyone that worships the AC as God. It isn't limited to any one people but is global concerning all peoples.
No. That's why its called "Mystery Babylon". Nothing in Revelation 17 refers to such thinking. Try Revelation 17:18
 
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No. That's why its called "Mystery Babylon". Nothing in Revelation 17 refers to such thinking. Try Revelation 17:18

Rev_16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

To identify Babylon all we have to do is find out who the wine of wrath is given to.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Babylon literally means confusion. Being a harlot means Babylon serves a false God. Scripture says Babylon will be given the cup of the wine of the wrath of God, and scripture also says the one's who take the mark of the beast will be given the wine of the wrath of God so we know Babylon is comprised of all the confused and marked people of the Antichrist. Paul wrote of someone who would claim to be God, elevating himself above God and all the is worshiped showing that he was God. This is a false God, and believing and serving and worshiping him is a false religion, religious CONFUSION (Babylon/confusion).

The harlot Babylon is those deceived by false religion of this false God, who take the mark of the beast.
 
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Rev_16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

To identify Babylon all we have to do is find out who the wine of wrath is given to.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Babylon literally means confusion. Being a harlot means Babylon serves a false God. Scripture says Babylon will be given the cup of the wine of the wrath of God, and scripture also says the one's who take the mark of the beast will be given the wine of the wrath of God so we know Babylon is comprised of all the confused and marked people of the Antichrist. Paul wrote of someone who would claim to be God, elevating himself above God and all the is worshiped showing that he was God. This is a false God, and believing and serving and worshiping him is a false religion, religious CONFUSION (Babylon/confusion).

The harlot Babylon is those deceived by false religion of this false God, who take the mark of the beast.
I'm going to show you the error of this thinking. It's on you to read the scriptures and see if it is so.

God identifies "the great city" in Revelation 11:8:
8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Where was the city their Lord was crucufied? The only answer is Jerusalem...and that city is mystically called "Sodom and Egypt"...that city can only be Jerusalem!

Your reference to Revelation 14:9-10 is obvious...EXCEPT, because you try to apply the passage to today's time, it falls apart when it comes to the time frame. God is judging "the great harlot". Check the scriptures and see how many times Jerusalem/Israel is called a harlot. Let me give you some and you can go read the context:

Deuteronomy 31:16:
16 The Lord said to Moses, “Behold, you are about to lie down with your fathers; and this people will arise and play the harlot with the strange gods of the land, into the midst of which they are going, and will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them.

1 Chronicles 5: 25:
25 But they acted treacherously against the God of their fathers and played the harlot after the gods of the peoples of the land, whom God had destroyed before them.

2 Chronicles 21:11:
25 But they acted treacherously against the God of their fathers and played the harlot after the gods of the peoples of the land, whom God had destroyed before them.

Isaiah 1:21:
How the faithful city has become a harlot, She who was full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers.

Jeremiah 2:20
20 “For long ago I broke your yoke And tore off your bonds; But you said, ‘I will not serve!’ For on every high hill And under every green tree You have lain down as a harlot.

Those are just a few that undoubtedly show "the harlot" from God's perspective are those who He was in covenant with as their God...that is ONLY Jerusalem/Israel, so your interpretation falls apart right there.

Of course Babylon means confusion...the question is who is confused? That answer is Jerusalem/Israel! They got confused by those around them as to who is the TRUE GOD. They knew, because they made the covenant with God...but because they intermingled with nations the Lord told them to avoid, they got confused. God's people will not be confused *if * they obey God...and Jerusalem/Israel became so confused that the Lord told them "they had not known the time of their visitation" in Luke 19:44, and that their land would become desolate. The context is Luke 19:41-44:

41 When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it,
42 saying, “
If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.
43
For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side,
44 and
they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”


That's who the "great harlot" is and what Revelation 17 is all about...the destruction of Jerusalem/Israel. It is written for our enlightenment.

When it comes to today, we know those who profess to believe, can also play the harlot, and turn from God to other so called gods. Many are doing it today, but God's people (believers), won't, because we know we are THE ISRAEL OF GOD!

Just as Paul said..."they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel..."

The beast has nothing to do with a "literal mark". It is a spiritual distinction between the Lord's people and those who are in darkness. Moses commanded Israel in Deuteronomy 6:6-9:
6 These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart.
7 You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up.

8 You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead.
9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

Where do we read of Israel walking around like that in scripture? You don't! The point is that the forehead is where your brain is (how you think)...and your hands are how you work (what you do). This is how God will know His people...by how they think and what they do. The mark is not literal.
God knows the thoughts and intentions of all!
 
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God identifies "the great city" in Revelation 11:8:
8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Where was the city their Lord was crucufied? The only answer is Jerusalem...and that city is mystically called "Sodom and Egypt"...that city can only be Jerusalem!


It doesn't say Jerusalem is Babylon does it? Babylon is much larger than you are grasping. Limiting Babylon to only Jerusalem is a huge error.
 
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It doesn't say Jerusalem is Babylon does it? Babylon is much larger than you are grasping. Limiting Babylon to only Jerusalem is a huge error.


To add to your point----

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.


Compare with the following.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


In Revelation 7:9 no one would conclude----of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues---that these all came out of just one geographic region such as Jerusalem in the ME. So that obviously should mean---where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues---that not all of these combined are meaning they are all dwelling in just one geographic region such as Jerusalem in the ME.

are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues(Revelation 17:15 )---does not support that idea, the same way---of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues(Revelation 7:9 )---doesn't support that these all came out of just one geographic region such as Jerusalem in the ME.

So my point by comparing these, is not that they are speaking of the same events, but that Revelation 7:9 proves that Revelation 17:15 isn't meaning a literal city, such as Jerusalem in the ME.
 
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So my point by comparing these, is not that they are speaking of the same events, but that Revelation 7:9 proves that Revelation 17:15 isn't meaning a literal city, such as Jerusalem in the ME.

But, does it show a globalist system with its capitol being in the city found in Revelation 11:8?





Is the temple of Babylon found below?



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But, does it show a globalist system with its capitol being in the city found in Revelation 11:8?







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I haven't had the opportunity to look at these videos yet, but I do tend to sense you making an interesting point here by what you asked above. Some further thinking on my part is perhaps in order then.
 
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It doesn't say Jerusalem is Babylon does it? Babylon is much larger than you are grasping. Limiting Babylon to only Jerusalem is a huge error.
I think the point is you have to know what God has previously said. You see John, who wrote Revelation, expects you to think about what he has written.
1. It is "the woman that has “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” written on her forehead.

Now...this is what Jeremiah 3:2-3 said of Israel:

2 “Lift up your eyes to the bare heights and see; Where have you not been violated? By the roads you have sat for them Like an Arab in the desert, And you have polluted a land With your harlotry and with your wickedness.
3 “Therefore the showers have been withheld, And there has been no spring rain. Yet you had a harlot’s forehead; You refused to be ashamed.

To understand Revelation you can't forget the OT...you have to know what the OT has said already. You and DavidPT should both read Ezekiel 16 also.
 
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I think the point is you have to know what God has previously said. You see John, who wrote Revelation, expects you to think about what he has written.
1. It is "the woman that has “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” written on her forehead.


Again, the harlot of the endtimes is ALL who worship the false God that will exist at the time. It will be anyone and everyone in the world who takes the mark of the beast and worships AC as God.
 
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Again, the harlot of the endtimes is ALL who worship the false God that will exist at the time. It will be anyone and everyone in the world who takes the mark of the beast and worships AC as God.
That's the problem, you think it's about the end times. Revelation 17 is about Israel/Jerusalem's judgement. God doesn't refer to unbelievers as the harlot. Israel is a harlot because they were married to God by covenant. Remember? Go to Exodus 24, where Israel makes the covenant. That is why the Harlot of Revelation 17 is a mystery...you have to see the imagery God uses..
 
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That's the problem, you think it's about the end times. Revelation 17 is about Israel/Jerusalem's judgement.

That goes the other way also...the problem is you think it's about the past but it's not, it's about the future and the beast that will rule the world.

God doesn't refer to unbelievers as the harlot. Israel is a harlot because they were married to God by covenant. Remember?

This is a strawman. Everyone knows Israel and Judah played the harlot. A bigger global harlot will be forming making what they did look like child play and don't forget a large portion of the coming harlot will be former Christians due to the Apostasy. Also, a person can be a harlot without ever worshiping the true God and then forsaking Him.

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Thayer Definition:
1) a woman who sells her body for sexual uses
1a) a prostitute, a harlot, one who yields herself to defilement for the sake of gain
1b) any woman indulging in unlawful sexual intercourse, whether for gain or for lust
2) metaphorically an idolatress
2a) of “Babylon,” i.e. Rome, the chief seat of idolatry
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4205
Citing in TDNT: 6:579, 918
 
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That's the problem, you think it's about the end times. Revelation 17 is about Israel/Jerusalem's judgement. God doesn't refer to unbelievers as the harlot. Israel is a harlot because they were married to God by covenant. Remember? Go to Exodus 24, where Israel makes the covenant. That is why the Harlot of Revelation 17 is a mystery...you have to see the imagery God uses..

Here is a very good but lengthy article on the Rome vs 1st century Jerusalem and Temple

Chris Strevel: Rome or Jerusalem? A Comparative Analysis of the Harlot Imagery in Revelation 17 (2005)
By Chris Strevel

The Roman Interpretation

Preterists are generally divided between two historical referents for the harlot of Revelation 17 and 18: the ancient cities of Jerusalem and Rome. The latter view is widely supported in preterist circles. It is based on the symbolic identification of Babylon with Rome, a regular designation in the literature of that era and one often encountered in the inspired and uninspired writings of the early church, John’s emphasis on the harlot’s worldwide influence, the immorality and emperor worship of first century Rome, and the moral implications of economic fornication with the harlot. Moses Stuart, author of the first American commentary on the book of Revelation, E.W. Hengstenberg, and F.W. Farrar were leading proponents of this view in the 19th century, and it has had many recent advocates including Isbon T. Beckwith, Wilfrid Harrington, Albertus Pieters, G.K. Beale, and Greg Bahnsen. In recent studies supporting a Roman identification of the harlot, the commercial or economic interpretation of Revelation 18 is viewed as providing strong support for this particular view. John was writing to warn the first century Christians against economic involvement with the harlot because of the spiritual pollution that would inevitably result. In his recent book on the subject, Klaybill has written, “These repeated references to socio-economic matters suggest that John saw participation in the imperial economy as an important discipleship issue for people who confessed Jesus as Lord….Only Rome fit the description in the first century, and John reinforces his point with other allusions.” Whether or not this interpretation is correct will depend primarily on a careful investigation of John’s language, organization, and use of Old Testament prophecies. Only after a careful analysis of these may we search for concrete historical realities.

The Jerusalem Interpretation

Strong evidence exists for the view that the harlot is the apostate city of Jerusalem. Milton Terry and James Stuart Russell were two leading advocates of this view in the 19th century. A resurgence of this view may be seen in the through the commentaries and writings of J. Massyngberde Ford, Cornelius Vanderwaal, Ken Gentry, and the late David Chilton. The initial strengths of this view are its conformity to the analogy of Scriptural in determining the significance of “harlot,” consistent application of John’s symbolism, and understanding of the significance of Jerusalem’s fall in A.D. 70 for redemptive history. Gentry summarizes the evidence for the Jerusalem=harlot interpretation.

Briefly, the evidence for the identifying of Jerusalem as the Harlot is based on the following: (1) Both are called ‘the great city’ (Rev. 14:8; 11:8). (2) The Harlot is filled with the blood of the saints (cp. Rev. 16:6; 17:6; 18:21,24; w/ Matt. 23:34-48; Luke 13:33; Acts 7:51,52). (3) Jerusalem had previously been called by pagan names quite compatible with the designation ‘Babylon’ (cp. Rev. 14:8 and 17:5 with 11:8). (4) Rome could not fornicate against God, for only Jerusalem was God’s wife (Rev. 17:2-5; cp. Isa. 1:20; Jere. 31:31). (5) There is an obvious contrast between the Harlot and the chaste bride (cp. Rev. 17:2-5 with Rev. 21:1ff.) that suggests a contrast with the Jerusalem below and the Jerusalem above (Rev. 21;2; cp. Gal. 4:24ff.; Heb. 12:18). (6) The fact that the Harlot is seated on the seven-headed Beast (obviously representative of Rome) indicates not identify with Rome, but alliance with Rome against Christianity (cp. Matt. 23:37ff.; John 19:16ff.; Acts 17:7).

Thesis Statement

It is my contention that a careful examination of the literary context, prophetic background and language of Revelation 17 supports the claim that the harlot is the apostate city of Jerusalem as the center of Jewish rebellion against Christ. Through his imagery John intends to paint a startling picture of the apostasy and impending judgment of God upon the old city of Jerusalem, a judgment that was realized in A.D. 70. I do not discount the many striking parallels that exist between John’s description of the harlot and the city of Rome. There are many aspects of the commercial interpretation of Revelation 18 that are extremely conducive to an identification of Rome as the harlot, and even if one does not conclude that the harlot is Rome, it remains true that spiritual defilement through participation in the imperial cult and its economic system was a legitimate concern in the early church. In the final analysis, the stated theme of Revelation, the analogy of Scripture, the symbolic and thematic unity of Revelation, and clear exegetical indicators force us to conclude that John is referring to the judgment of God against Jerusalem for her centuries of spiritual whoredom and covenant apostasy................................................

Conclusion

It has not been my intention in this paper to explicate every textual detail in chapters 17 and 18 related to the judgment of the great harlot. Rather, I have endeavored to demonstrate that advocates of the Jerusalem=harlot view have a strong case to offer the Church of Christ in her ongoing attempt to correctly understand the final book of our English Bibles. This view is certainly consistent with John’s stated theme: God’s great divorce of Israel and Christ’s judgment upon her. It also does justice to the established biblical usage of the harlot imagery, especially as it pertains to nations that have broken covenant with Jehovah. This interpretation is further supported by the many textual indicators in chapters 14-18 pointing to a Jerusalem referent, John’s usage of “mystery,” and the contrast in Revelation between the chaste Bride of Christ and the apostate Jewish church. The Rome=harlot view, while attractive at certain points, simply cannot be sustained in the light of this evidence.

If that is the case, why do the majority of commentators dismiss the Jerusalem=harlot view with small footnotes and passing allusions? The answer to this question is complex. It centers around the failure of theologians and commentators to grasp or admit the significance of the Fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 for God’s redemptive program in history. This failure has led to an improper dating (late) for the book of Revelation, and indeed for many New Testament books, as well as improper eschatological schemes based upon futuristic interpretations of New Testament prophecies that had as their primary referent events in the first century. This is not to say, of course, that the judgment of apostate Jerusalem in A.D. 70 is the proper referent of all the prophecies of final judgment found in the New Testament, only that it was an expected event and regular theme found in Jesus, Paul, and John. Some are unwilling to admit this for fear that it will open the door to a hyper-preterism that denies the physical coming of Christ at the end of history. Others do not wish to see certain prophecies in this light because such an admission would require the abandonment of cherished eschatological schemes. Both of these fears are unjustified responses to the claims made in this paper and will result in continued interpretive errors, theological, eschatological, and practical. For in the minds of the biblical authors, this was a theme that desperately needed clarification in the minds of the early Christians, many of whom were Jews or Gentile proselytes who could not imagine Christianity radically severed from its natural center in Jerusalem. Accordingly, it was necessary to teach that God’s redemptive plan for the new covenant age will not be centered in Jerusalem. That city and the nation over which it reigns is apostate. In murdering the Messiah, retaining a priesthood and sacrificial system after the shedding of the Anointed’s blood, and persecuting his Church, the place of that nation and city in God’s plan is irreversibly lost. This event was a dramatic shift from the Jerusalem-based kingdom of God in the Old Testament and certainly required explication from the biblical authors. This is why Jesus spoke so often to the subject, and ultimately why he had John dedicate the final book of the New Testament to the one climactic event that would reveal the end of the old Jewish order in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple environs in A.D. 70.
 
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That goes the other way also...the problem is you think it's about the past but it's not, it's about the future and the beast that will rule the world.



This is a strawman. Everyone knows Israel and Judah played the harlot. A bigger global harlot will be forming making what they did look like child play and don't forget a large portion of the coming harlot will be former Christians due to the Apostasy. Also, a person can be a harlot without ever worshiping the true God and then forsaking Him.

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Thayer Definition:
1) a woman who sells her body for sexual uses
1a) a prostitute, a harlot, one who yields herself to defilement for the sake of gain
1b) any woman indulging in unlawful sexual intercourse, whether for gain or for lust
2) metaphorically an idolatress
2a) of “Babylon,” i.e. Rome, the chief seat of idolatry
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4205
Citing in TDNT: 6:579, 918
Once again you miss the point and have no scriptural support for your position (if you do show it). I can show Israel being the harlot time and time again in scripture. God even goes to paint the picture clearly with the prophet Hosea.

Thayer's doesn't help your point either. Look at definition 2 which says "metaphorically an idolatress". That's what Israel was in this judgement of them in Revelation 17. God has no covenant with unbelievers or false religion, or fake Christians as he did with Israel. You don't get the harlot being on many waters because you don't acknowledge all the scriptures say about it.

There's no need to go on and on with this because I know judgment is coming...just not the way you think it is. When God saves the last person He desires to save...judgment will happen for this world. None of this "beast fanfare" and "great harlot" things that have already been.

You hold to your view, and I'll hold to mine....and let it be revealed by the Lord.
 
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What man instituted governments or entities had a “kingdom over the kings of the earth”; and, “…all the nations have fallen victim, and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants…”?-Revelation 17:18; 18:3

How do we “Get out of her, my people…”?-Revelation 18:4

Who are “…the kings of the earth who committed fornication with her and lived in shameless luxury will weep…”?-Revelation 18:9, 10; Compare 18:11-19.

Jerusalem was once, literally, called Sodom because of its unclean practices. (Isaiah 1:8-10; compare Ezekiel 16:49, 53-58.) Egypt, the first world power, sometimes appears as a picture of this world system of things.-Isaiah 19:1.

“Babylon the Great,“ the “harlot,” and “Jerusalem”-symbolically depicted in this scripture-all refer to the same entity: Christendom. In other words, the world empire of false religion.
 
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Revelation 11: A Preterist Commentary-Who are the Two Witnesses? - Revelation Revolution
Jerusalem is called Sodom because it was destroyed by “Fire from Heaven.


In Luke 13:33, Jesus declares, “[N]o prophet can die outside of Jerusalem!” In v. 8 the author of Revelation calls Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt. John Noe notes that Jerusalem is the only city in the Bible that is symbolically called Sodom (Deuteronomy 29:23-25; 32:28-32; Isaiah 1:10; Ezekiel 16:44-58).51 The city of Sodom was destroyed by fire from heaven. Jerusalem was destroyed in a similar way. As stated above, with the aid of the twelfth legion, Legio XII Fulminata, Jerusalem and its temple were burned to the ground. The emblem of the twelfth legion is a lightning bolt—fire from heaven–and the symbol of the empire that destroyed Jerusalem by fire was the Aquila who carried Zeus’ lightning bolt down to the earth. Here one can see how like Sodom, Jerusalem was also destroyed by “fire from heaven.”


The Emblem of the 12th Legion was a lightening bolt–fire from heaven.

A Commentary of Revelation 11:8: Jerusalem is called Egypt because it was afflicted with the Plagues of Exodus.

Jerusalem is called Egypt in fulfillment of the curse of Deuteronomy 28:60. In this verse, God promises to bring on Israel the plagues of Egypt as punishment for their disobedience. Israel had been disobedient. And as a result, God punished Israel with the seven trumpets and bowls of Revelation, each trumpet and bowl resembling a different plague of Exodus.52

9For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
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Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance<5281> and the faith of the Saints
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
Rapture refuted

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made. Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves. Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND. Of the Two great leaders of the Jews, who had both been made prisoners, John was doomed to a dungeon for life ; while Simon, together with John, in triumph at Rome was scourged, and put to death as a malefactor.

Titus now gave orders that those Jews only who resisted should be slain ; but the soldiers, equally void of pity and remorse, slew even the sick and the aged. The robbers and seditious were all punished with death : the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome. After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves, or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ; whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale.
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Deuteronomy 28:
15 If, however, you do not obey Yahweh thy Elohiym by carefully following all His commandments and statutes I am giving you today,
all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
67 In the morning you will say, ‘If only it were evening!’ and in the evening you will say, ‘If only it were morning!’—because of the dread in your hearts of the terrifying sights you will see.
68 “And Yahweh will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.'
And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”
 
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ewq1938 said:
That goes the other way also...the problem is you think it's about the past but it's not, it's about the future and the beast that will rule the world.
This is a strawman. Everyone knows Israel and Judah played the harlot. A bigger global harlot will be forming making what they did look like child play and don't forget a large portion of the coming harlot will be former Christians due to the Apostasy. Also, a person can be a harlot without ever worshiping the true God and then forsaking Him.

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Thayer Definition: 1) a woman who sells her body for sexual uses 1a) a prostitute, a harlot, one who yields herself to defilement for the sake of gain 1b) any woman indulging in unlawful sexual intercourse, whether for gain or for lust 2) metaphorically an idolatress
2a) of “Babylon,” i.e. Rome, the chief seat of idolatry
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4205
Citing in TDNT: 6:579, 918
Once again you miss the point and have no scriptural support for your position (if you do show it). I can show Israel being the harlot time and time again in scripture. God even goes to paint the picture clearly with the prophet Hosea.

Thayer's doesn't help your point either. Look at definition 2 which says "metaphorically an idolatress". That's what Israel was in this judgement of them in Revelation 17. God has no covenant with unbelievers or false religion, or fake Christians as he did with Israel. You don't get the harlot being on many waters because you don't acknowledge all the scriptures say about it.

There's no need to go on and on with this because I know judgment is coming...just not the way you think it is. When God saves the last person He desires to save...judgment will happen for this world. None of this "beast fanfare" and "great harlot" things that have already been.

You hold to your view, and I'll hold to mine....and let it be revealed by the Lord.
Good point.....
 
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