Ruining the Earth.

GingerBeer · Sep 27, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Ahh yes. I remember learning about that a few months ago. But isn’t it compulsory in the sense of use it or lose it? If I recall correctly it’s not like you’re getting fined because of not voting.

You do get fined for not voting.

lsume · Sep 27, 2019

GingerBeer said:
People are worried about climate change and rising oceans. The ice caps are melting. Summers are hotter. Storms are stronger. Do the scriptures give any indication of why this is so? Is there anything people can do about it?

(Revelation of John 11:18) The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.

The bigger issue is “man shall live by every Word that Proceedeth out of the mouth of God”.

Unfortunately science is not as honest as you hope it would be. Life is consumption and in time we will use up the consumables. God’s Word makes it very clear that

Gen.8

[22] While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Hence, until the end of the world, our seasons and harvests will remain. Some years ago the Russians came out with their global cooling prediction. The rate of the glacier melt is outdone by 3:1 in ice pack growth. Obviously Vice President Al Gore’s predictions did not come to fruition. Now instead of calling it global warming it’s called global climate change. The climate has always been changing and will continue to do so until the end. Only God The Father knows when the end is. The earth has a wobble that cycles once every 26,000 years. This means that every 13,000 years there is an ice age. That was what I learned when getting my B.S in mechanical engineering. The real issue is being obedient to God’s Word. Becoming an earth muffin won’t change anything in the climate. However, not focusing on God’s Word will effect your final destination.

GingerBeer · Sep 27, 2019

lsume said:
The rate of the glacier melt is outdone by 3:1 in ice pack growth.

There is less polar ice now than there was 60 years ago.

klutedavid · Sep 27, 2019

morse86 said:
Those that are worried about climate change must have never read the book of revelation when God destroys the earth.

Climate change is nothing more than a hoax to bring in the new world order.

I have read the book of Revelations and climate change is a scientific fact.

Hoaxes are legion but climate change is a real phenomenon that you can check very easily.

The department of meteorology in your country records climate data and has been doing that for a long time. Just observe the temperature trends over time and check for yourself whether the climate is actually changing.

The debate is not about whether the climate is changing, the debate is about the causes of this climate change. Are we responsible for promoting the climate change or is it a natural cycle?

You sound as if you want to delay the return of the Christ. You want to hold back a new world order from proceeding by pointing out that climate change is a hoax. We don't need a new world order because climate change is not true.

We do not need a world government because you; though not knowing the climate record itself somehow decided that it is a hoax.

Evidence is the currency you need to support any opposition to climate change. Evidence that temperatures are not rising around the world.
Evidence, evidence, is what matters, opinions are worthless.

Toro · Sep 27, 2019

Meh....... whilr I agree with rhe general idea that we should take care of the creation that God has entrusted with us... the truth is, we already destroyed it by the fall of man, it is because if us, all of us... every sin, no matter how "small" or how we look to justify our sin bedore man... that is why suffering exists.

That said, should we be good stewards? Absolutwly... however I believe that global warming is a lie. Not so much that I believe that things arent changing.... but tge lie is found in the cause.

"Climate change" is something that happens all the time. It doesnt matter to who you worship... God or science.... God has destroyed life on this planet before He will again. Science says there was an ice age, then a mass melting of all that ice (what caused the original melting point? I dont remember seeing any cave paintings of SUVs or huge commercial dairy/beef farms.

IF you look to God, do you believe that human beings caught God by surprise with the invention of the automobile or the use of "fossil fuels"?

Do I believe that we should pump CO2 and much worse into the environment, be it water or air? No, but I dont believe that humanity is 90% of the problem when God told humanity to be fruitful and multiply.

He didnt say "go fourth until your numbers are X then turn to cannibalism, genocide.... etc."

To me there is a difference between improving travel (That can be used for just as many "good deeds" as bad.) and something, like say turning this planet into a nuclear wasteland . The good and bad steward.

I dont believe God screamed "Nooooooo! I didnt plan for you to build cars." or "No, I didnt see the industrial revolution and the ages to follow."

God created this Earth to withstand everything it is meant to withstand, nothing more, nothing less. We cant add a single minute to our own life, how ego based is it to believe that we can add years to the planet we are but a speck on.

If you follow science... then YES it has happened before, but there are clearly bigger factors in such changes than just CO2 emissions from tracel and food farming.

Even IF lets say for the sake of simplicity... that humanity IS 100% of the problem..... lets say the US stops polluting as well as all of tge other nations.

China... still wont care.... being they produce most things in existence now.... my driving a prius, eating recycled tofu and wearing burlap clothes... changes very little, at best.

You want to know why "Clinate change is such an emergency" look to those with companies that profit with a switch in infrastructure. Look to those that have something to gain, politically or financially.

Are there changes? Absolutely, but its not because of 80s hair, burgers and SUVs

God is in control, relax... those that embrace science.... better hope they can build a CO2 reducer faster than the volcanoes, cow flatulence, natural wild fires other natural souces as well as your neighbors SUV can pump it out.......

As I said, there is a difference between living life, doing what needs to be done and trying to live each day to the Lord and spending your time terrified about what is and is not "good for the planets existence ."

klutedavid · Sep 27, 2019

lsume said:
The bigger issue is “man shall live by every Word that Proceedeth out of the mouth of God”.

Unfortunately science is not as honest as you hope it would be. Life is consumption and in time we will use up the consumables. God’s Word makes it very clear that

Gen.8

[22] While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Hence, until the end of the world, our seasons and harvests will remain. Some years ago the Russians came out with their global cooling prediction. The rate of the glacier melt is outdone by 3:1 in ice pack growth. Obviously Vice President Al Gore’s predictions did not come to fruition. Now instead of calling it global warming it’s called global climate change. The climate has always been changing and will continue to do so until the end. Only God The Father knows when the end is. The earth has a wobble that cycles once every 26,000 years. This means that every 13,000 years there is an ice age. That was what I learned when getting my B.S in mechanical engineering. The real issue is being obedient to God’s Word. Becoming an earth muffin won’t change anything in the climate. However, not focusing on God’s Word will effect your final destination.

What happens to your interpretation if we are close to entering the end times?

And a changing climate precedes the formation of a global government to deal with the ever growing global problems.

I thought that God said that he would never again flood the earth, while not mentioning anything about heat and fire?

You can ignore a changing global climate but that does not mean that the problem does not exist.

The climate scientists are panicking not because we are in some long term climate cycle. The acceleration of the climate change is the trend that is scaring the climate scientists. The temperatures are rising far too fast now to explain it away as a cycle.

You need to do some serious research.

martymonster · Sep 27, 2019

GingerBeer said:
People are worried about climate change and rising oceans. The ice caps are melting. Summers are hotter. Storms are stronger. Do the scriptures give any indication of why this is so? Is there anything people can do about it?

(Revelation of John 11:18) The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.

διαφθείρω
diaphtheirō
dee-af-thi'-ro
From G1223 and G5351; to rot thoroughly, that is, (by implication) to ruin (passively decay utterly, figuratively pervert): - corrupt, destroy, perish.

The word used for "destroying" here, can also be translated "corrupt" which I think would be a better translation. The earth is the church, and that would certainly fit with what has been going for the past 2000 years.

Toro · Sep 27, 2019

klutedavid said:
What happens to your interpretation if we are close to entering the end times?

And a changing climate precedes the formation of a global government to deal with the ever growing global problems.

I thought that God said that he would never again flood the earth, while not mentioning anything about heat and fire?

You can ignore a changing global climate but that does not mean that the problem does not exist.

The climate scientists are panicking not because we are in some long term climate cycle. The acceleration of the climate change is the trend that is scaring the climate scientists. The temperatures are rising far too fast now to explain it away as a cycle.

You need to do some serious research.

How do they know its happening "too fast" they werent atound to witness, nor was it documented the first time that scienceagrees was an ice age that ended.. It is theories that a group of "smart people" agree with.

Im not saying that you throw out the baby with the bath water, but scientists have been wrong before.. they are NOT the end all be all of authority, they are AT BEST (if they arent corrupt and funded by an organization that benefits from their findings) a group of intelligent individuals making their best guess to try to figure out what is going on.... doesnt mean they have the answers... no matter how confident they seem to be..... there was a time when scientists of the age believed the world flat. That the sun revolved around the Earth.

nonaeroterraqueous · Sep 27, 2019

Correct study of the Bible doesn't involve matching it up to the vogue fantasies of the moment. Every generation thinks it's about them. People are narcissists by nature. Look back to Revelation 9:10-11 to find the answer. The Destroyer and his minions are released from the abyss to torment the earth. The destroyers are fallen angels.

GingerBeer · Sep 27, 2019

martymonster said:
διαφθείρω
diaphtheirō
dee-af-thi'-ro
From G1223 and G5351; to rot thoroughly, that is, (by implication) to ruin (passively decay utterly, figuratively pervert): - corrupt, destroy, perish.

The word used for "destroying" here, can also be translated "corrupt" which I think would be a better translation. The earth is the church, and that would certainly fit with what has been going for the past 2000 years.

Looks like ruining would do well too. To bring to ruin those ruining the earth.

tryphena rose · Sep 27, 2019

GingerBeer said:
People are worried about climate change and rising oceans. The ice caps are melting. Summers are hotter. Storms are stronger. Do the scriptures give any indication of why this is so? Is there anything people can do about it?

(Revelation of John 11:18) The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.

Christ is Lord said:
An example of being a good steward is that when possible instead of driving your non-electric car to work you can cycle instead. You get exercise which is good for your health and you're helping to reduce our overall carbon footprint.

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:7

The only one who can destroy the earth is God, just as He is the only one who can save it. It's important to keep in mind the context of the verses above. Anytime God is referring to those who destroy the earth, He refers to those who destroy it morally, being spiritual in nature, not physical. That's the whole reason behind God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah in the first place as well as why Noah's flood had occurred. Climate change has people looking through a physical lens, placing us on a pedestal and putting God in the background.

So either you believe that God will bring the earth to fire like the bible says or you believe that you and your actions will.

GingerBeer · Sep 27, 2019

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Correct study of the Bible doesn't involve matching it up to the vogue fantasies of the moment. Every generation thinks it's about them. People are narcissists by nature. Look back to Revelation 9:10-11 to find the answer. The Destroyer and his minions are released from the abyss to torment the earth. The destroyers are fallen angels.

Why do I need to go back 2 chapters to find those who ruin the earth?

lsume · Sep 27, 2019

GingerBeer said:
There is less polar ice now than there was 60 years ago.

In general, there is a lot more ice now than there has been glacial melt.

GingerBeer · Sep 27, 2019

lsume said:
In general, there is a lot more ice now than there has been glacial melt.

Polar ice is not glaciers so even if glacier melt water is less voluminous than ice packs the glacial melt is only a small part of the general melting.

lsume · Sep 27, 2019

klutedavid said:
What happens to your interpretation if we are close to entering the end times?

And a changing climate precedes the formation of a global government to deal with the ever growing global problems.

I thought that God said that he would never again flood the earth, while not mentioning anything about heat and fire?

You can ignore a changing global climate but that does not mean that the problem does not exist.

The climate scientists are panicking not because we are in some long term climate cycle. The acceleration of the climate change is the trend that is scaring the climate scientists. The temperatures are rising far too fast now to explain it away as a cycle.

I think you might need to learn how to do research. When departments of universities are paid predicated on their findings, the results are also predetermined. Right now, the hatred for Christians is very big and growing at an unprecedented rate. You should sense that hatred being in Christ. In July, over 100 Christians were burned alive in Mali.

At Least 100 Christians Killed and Burned in ‘Well-Targeted Attack’ by Jihadists in Central Mali | BCNN1 - Black Christian News Network

martymonster · Sep 27, 2019

GingerBeer said:
Looks like ruining would do well too. To bring to ruin those ruining the earth.

Yeah, same thing, but I like the word corrupt, because it fits in more with what's going on. You're right though, ruining is the same thing pretty much.

Yekcidmij · Sep 27, 2019

GingerBeer said:
People are worried about climate change and rising oceans. The ice caps are melting. Summers are hotter. Storms are stronger. Do the scriptures give any indication of why this is so? Is there anything people can do about it?

(Revelation of John 11:18) The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.

Why do you think Rev 11:18 is about climate change?

klutedavid · Sep 27, 2019

Toro said:
Meh....... whilr I agree with rhe general idea that we should take care of the creation that God has entrusted with us... the truth is, we already destroyed it by the fall of man, it is because if us, all of us... every sin, no matter how "small" or how we look to justify our sin bedore man... that is why suffering exists.

We have exploited and torn this planet apart.

Drove innumerable species into extinction.

Over seven billion people and all wanting to live life to the maximum.

We have polluted the oceans and ice caps with plastic. We have polluted outer space and we have even left garbage on other planets including the moon.

That said, should we be good stewards?

Your talking to a world population that knows nothing about stewardship?

Absolutwly... however I believe that global warming is a lie. Not so much that I believe that things arent changing.... but tge lie is found in the cause.

Contradicted yourself. Either global climate change is real or it is not?

"Climate change" is something that happens all the time.

No one would challenge that as the historical background climate always fluctuates and follows cycles.

Climate science is more focused on the changes in temperature over recent decades. That is what the debate is centered on, the rapid change in recorded climate over a very short time.

It doesnt matter to who you worship... God or science.... God has destroyed life on this planet before He will again. Science says there was an ice age, then a mass melting of all that ice (what caused the original melting point? I dont remember seeing any cave paintings of SUVs or huge commercial dairy/beef farms.

You can have God and science as opposed to God without science. Meteorology is just measuring temperatures across the country.
The department of meteorology does not follow some secretive agenda, it simply records the climate.

IF you look to God, do you believe that human beings caught God by surprise with the invention of the automobile or the use of "fossil fuels"?

God was not surprised by industrialization and deforestation. God was not at all surprised by the development of nuclear weapons and a world on the edge of extinction.

Do I believe that we should pump CO2 and much worse into the environment, be it water or air? No, but I dont believe that humanity is 90% of the problem when God told humanity to be fruitful and multiply.

You are a partial convert to the green movement. When the global population is approaching eight billion people. And they are all emitting green house gases in abundance then as if by magic. The composition of the atmosphere and the oceans starts to change.
You should not be surprised that pollution alone contributes to climate change.

He didnt say "go fourth until your numbers are X then turn to cannibalism, genocide.... etc."

Well there is an upper limit to the population of the earth. There are mathematical limitations in the prevalence of natural resources. So eventually we will reach tipping points as the population grows.

To me there is a difference between improving travel (That can be used for just as many "good deeds" as bad.) and something, like say turning this planet into a nuclear wasteland . The good and bad steward.

Agree with that.

I dont believe God screamed "Nooooooo! I didnt plan for you to build cars." or "No, I didnt see the industrial revolution and the ages to follow."

I thought the world was populated by unbelievers?

I thought man would destroy everything on this planet because of his deep rooted rebellion and ambition?

God created this Earth to withstand everything it is meant to withstand, nothing more, nothing less.

That is one very optimistic theology. Unleash thousands of nuclear weapons and we will find out if the earth can withstand that onslaught.

We cant add a single minute to our own life, how ego based is it to believe that we can add years to the planet we are but a speck on.

You can exercise and cut down on your rich food diet, this will more than likely extend your life. The planet is a very sensitive planet, cut down all the trees and see what happens next.

If you follow science... then YES it has happened before, but there are clearly bigger factors in such changes than just CO2 emissions from tracel and food farming.

Past changes occurred at a more gradual pace the current climate change is a rapid event.

Even IF lets say for the sake of simplicity... that humanity IS 100% of the problem..... lets say the US stops polluting as well as all of tge other nations.

China... still wont care.... being they produce most things in existence now.... my driving a prius, eating recycled tofu and wearing burlap clothes... changes very little, at best.

This is what I believe is actually amplifying climate change, the development and industrialization of a hundred countries over the last fifty years. China, India, Pakistan, are countries with extreme populations. As they develop; their carbon footprint is enormous and we are now seeing the consequences.

You want to know why "Clinate change is such an emergency" look to those with companies that profit with a switch in infrastructure. Look to those that have something to gain, politically or financially.

I think nearly all the governments wished climate change would just go away. They have more than enough problems on their hands competing in a highly developed global marketplace.

Is there profit to be made in climate change technology, yes there is and it's massive. Is there profit to be made if climate change is not occurring, of course and it's massive too.

Are there changes? Absolutely, but its not because of 80s hair, burgers and SUVs

No it's because every other country is developing since the eighties and they want everything that the USA prides itself on.

God is in control, relax... those that embrace science.... better hope they can build a CO2 reducer faster than the volcanoes, cow flatulence, natural wild fires other natural souces as well as your neighbors SUV can pump it out.......

What if God has turned the planet over to us and we are managing it now?

As I said, there is a difference between living life, doing what needs to be done and trying to live each day to the Lord and spending your time terrified about what is and is not "good for the planets existence ."

Above all, we are citizens of Christ's kingdom. The world and it's self destructive behavior does not bother me. The quicker they pollute everything including the atmosphere the better. Lord Jesus you can return now if you wish, I will be one very happy person if you do.

klutedavid · Sep 27, 2019

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Correct study of the Bible doesn't involve matching it up to the vogue fantasies of the moment. Every generation thinks it's about them. People are narcissists by nature. Look back to Revelation 9:10-11 to find the answer. The Destroyer and his minions are released from the abyss to torment the earth. The destroyers are fallen angels.

What happens if the minions are released upon a dying world?

klutedavid · Sep 27, 2019

Yekcidmij said:
Why do you think Rev 11:18 is about climate change?

Could very well be but difficult to establish as a doctrine. We are destroyers of planets and we have the technology to do just that.

Ruining the Earth.

Cool and refreshing with a kick!

Well-Known Member

Cool and refreshing with a kick!

Well-Known Member

Oh, Hello!

Well-Known Member

Veteran

Oh, Hello!

Nonexistent Member

Cool and refreshing with a kick!

Daughter of the Most High

Cool and refreshing with a kick!

Well-Known Member

Cool and refreshing with a kick!

Well-Known Member

Veteran

Presbyterian, Polymath

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Similar threads