Question... Was there ever an apology?

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My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of?

Hello timothyu. Changes did occur after the church was turned into a State religion, for sure.

I have heard some leaders apologise for some aspects of what was done after Christianity became a state religion. Pope John Paul II apologised for the crusades, burning people at the stake and the inquisition. The Presbyterian Church of Scotland apologised for it's role in persecuting 'witches', again burning people at the stake. I am sure there are other examples.

IMO we can learn a lot from scriptural principles:

John 18:36
Philippians 3:20

The church getting too cosy with the state, never good IMHO. It also means the state is getting too cosy with the church.

God Bless :)
 
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Hello timothyu. Changes did occur after the church was turned into a State religion, for sure.

I have heard some leaders apologise for some aspects of what was done after Christianity became a state religion. Pope John Paul II apologised for the crusades, burning people at the stake and the inquisition. The Presbyterian Church of Scotland apologised for it's role in persecuting 'witches', again burning people at the stake. I am sure there are other examples.

IMO we can learn a lot from scriptural principles:

John 18:36
Philippians 3:20

The church getting too cosy with the state, never good IMHO. It also means the state is getting too cosy with the church.

God Bless :)

Actually all those things were done after the schism when the roman pope had sole authority over the western church.
 
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Whatever the detractors say, the Christian institution became an integral part of the Roman governance, because it became the official religion. We can argue whether it was Constantine, or someone else, but the fact is that it did happen.
Not under Constantine, however. And yet the claim of the original post here is that he did it.

Should that not matter to us?

The fact is also true that in the widespread adoption of the faith by pagans, the faith endured widespread adoption of pagan practices, sublimated to look like something more Christian, though in its very essence remained entirely pagan.
I see that you started off with "the fact is..." but all we have here is a claim without even specifics, let alone any facts.
 
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Sorry , I thought you were claiming the church apostatised in constantines reign, which is often said but totally unsupportable from history,
They didn't renounce anything. They just fell in with the wrong crowd and ended up as pawns in a worldly game. How? Because by then the Jews and the Kingdom were no longer at the forefront of Christianity. It wasn't until later the power struggle within took over and they became a greater world power than the empire that gave them the offer in the first place.
 
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People seem to miss out on the fact that Constantine legalized an already existing Church structure with Bishops, Archbishops and Patriarchs. All that changed was that the Patriarch had a say in government matters.
Exactly. The fall started long before the official human sanction. The original followers looked to the Kingdom of God. These people sought to build a kingdom of their own in the only way they knew how, the ways of man. Just like free enterprise entrepreneurial televangelists today who miss out on the importance of the Kingdom in Christianity. Back then the traditions of the Roman Empire held more sway with these Gentiles.
 
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The church remained steadfast in holding correct doctrine regardless of politics and abuses and human weakness, limitations, failings, sin, etc, due to God's assurance of guidance; man cannot accomplish that on his own.
Yet they abandoned the Kingdom for the world of man. Dropped a counter-culture to rejoin the establishment... like many of the 60's once did. Faux.
 
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They didn't renounce anything. They just fell in with the wrong crowd and ended up as pawns in a worldly game. How? Because by then the Jews and the Kingdom were no longer at the forefront of Christianity. It wasn't until later the power struggle within took over and they became a greater world power than the empire that gave them the offer in the first place.

Nothing you say has any grounding in fact or history.

Jesus empowered his church, liturgical, sacramental, with eucharist of the real presence, the power to bind and loose doctrine, and that was passed down from the very first days. Little has changed since, except the acorn became an oak.
In the third century the church changed from being essentially underground to practising in the open, but precious little else changed.

Then finally it agreed the canon of new testament: although doctrine was primarily handed by tradition because few could read, and even less afford a bible. That tradition gave meaning to scripture, with authority statements on what was heretical, outlawing from modalism gnosticism, arianism and so on.

That was Jesus's church which he entrusted to Peter.

Read the letters of the first church fathers, the writings of those at the time of the constantine, those 500 years later. You will find all the same doctrine , the size massively grown.
 
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The church getting too cosy with the state, never good IMHO. It also means the state is getting too cosy with the church.

Each with the same motives... power.

Changes did occur after the church was turned into a State religion, for sure.

I have heard some leaders apologise for some aspects of what was done after Christianity became a state religion. Pope John Paul II apologised for the crusades, burning people at the stake and the inquisition. The Presbyterian Church of Scotland apologised for it's role in persecuting 'witches', again burning people at the stake. I am sure there are other examples.

Yes, those examples reflect the will of man, not God... regardless of wra. That is the whole point of their rebellion against the Kingdom. They preferred the ways of man to the ways of God.
 
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Constantine started the ball rolling. I can edit the op if you wish.
Constantine started no balls rolling: other than allowing the church to practise less in secret.
Your view of history is complete myth. For which you owe those you mislead an apology.
 
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Yet they abandoned the Kingdom for the world of man. Dropped a counter-culture to rejoin the establishment... like many of the 60's once did. Faux.
"They" may or may not have abandoned the Kingdom, depending on who they were. But the Church certainly didn't.
 
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Are you desiring an apology for a 1700 year old event?
Absolutely. Jesus and His Kingdom were broadsided and all that followed were built upon the foundation of that era and official twist in the religion from will of God to will of man. Or do you think we should let this indiscretion off the hook the way we let Eve off?
 
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Constantine started no balls rolling: other than allowing the church to practise less in secret.
Your view of history is complete myth.
Or some aspects of Christianity find history a thorn in their theological side.
 
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I suggest you study history. Instead of wishful thinking.

Absolutely. Jesus and His Kingdom were broadsided and all that followed were built upon the foundation of that era and official twist in the religion from will of God to will of man. Or do you think we should let this indiscretion off the hook the way we let Eve off?
 
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"They" may or may not have abandoned the Kingdom, depending on who they were. But the Church certainly didn't.
Then why did they reject the will of God to cozy up with the world? Was the power and authourity just a big mistake they never intended?
 
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