Question... Was there ever an apology?

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While Jesus still saves, the law always kills. It's a fact.
So? We already know that transgressing the TORAH is sin, and the penalty for sin is death.

Those who turn to the Father, repent, turning away from all sin, to do as the Father says clearly to do, may be saved by Jesus today, as His Word Says.
 
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I don't think so. Even the sheep "KNOW" the SHEPHERDS (JESUS') VOICE, and FOLLOW HIM - we will not follow another.
Unless they first put their trust in Christianity the religion. They may claim to follow Jesus but spend more time defending the religion or church than the Kingdom.
 
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Not before, not after... during the time of. Kings were chosen by the prophets.

Go figure. I've found other references with no hint of limitations you are imposing:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3
1 Timothy 2
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
Colossians 1:15-17
Acts 8:32
Matthew 10:38
 
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So? We already know that transgressing the TORAH is sin, and the penalty for sin is death.

Those who turn to the Father, repent, turning away from all sin, to do as the Father says clearly to do, may be saved by Jesus today, as His Word Says.

So not just your sex orientation pet peeve then?
 
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Still hung up on your pet peeve of sex thinking it is a different type of sin? It'snot.

Idolatry, greed, covetousness, love of money, gluttony, complaining, not loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, tempting God, high-mindedness, disobedience, witchcraft, lover of self, putting family, friends, job, or anything else above God including food, money, sports, inter, TV, Internet inappropriate contentography, movies, cars, attachment to riches or material goods and dozens of other things. Love of money, greed, disobedience, covetousness, love of money, lover of self, putting family, friends, job, or anything else above God, irreverent use of God’s Word, attachment to riches or material goods. Cursing, swearing, blaspheming, breaking oath taken in God’s name, irreverent use of God’s name in humor, speaking evil of the church, taking communion or the Lord’s Supper in a careless manner or unworthily, anger at God, careless use of God’s name, euphemisms like “geez, gosh, oh my God” etc.the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.Sloth, laziness, neglecting to assemble with the saints, profaning worship service, fighting or speaking evil of Christian brothers or sisters.Honor your father and your mother, breaking civil laws when taught by parents to do obey the laws, failing to take care of aged parents, failing to take care of sick parents, fighting with and/or speaking evil about siblings. Cursing father or mother, dishonoring parents, striking or fighting with parents, disobeying parents, making fun of parents, filthy talk, speaking evil or badly of parents, and grandparents included in the aforementioned things.Murder, anger, hate, enmity, rage, brawling, rioting, striker, unforgiving heart, wrath, unmerciful, dissensions, contentions, clamor, despitefulness, debate, arguing, fighting, abortion, divisions, strife, rivalries, Adultery, fornication, sexual immorality, filthy talk, crude joking, whoremongers, defiling the body, homosexuality, sensuality, impurity, tempting others sexually, inordinate passion, corrupt language, effeminate, inappropriate contentography, vulgar or crude jokes. Stealing, bribery, extortion, sloth or laziness at work, defrauding, dishonesty, cheating, gambling, Lying, gossiping, slandering, backbiting, spreading rumors, deceit, extortion, railing, slander, defrauding, breaking promises, craftiness, hypocrisy, dishonesty, whisperers, idle words, withhold all of the truth, double-tongued, bragging, boasting, flattery, exaggerating the truth, whining, speaking evil of others. Coveting, envy, lust, jealousy, drunkenness, sorcery (Greek means drug abuse), materialism, wantonness, sensuality, gambling, revelings, attachment to riches or material goods, lawsuits against Christians, emulations, extortion, desire for money, desire for power, desire for sex (relating to sexual immorality), anger at other’s good fortunes, desiring things of others, flirting or playing with temptation.

You can see why the new covenant has replaced the old, obsolete, first one.
We all deserve the wages of sin.

It seems only to be you 'pet sin' for whatever reason. It is still sin.

My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of?
 
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The choice was clear wasn't it. The governance of man or the governance of God.
Well, clear or not, the USA has not been willing to be under the governance of Yahuweh for a century or longer - instead supporting and catering to $$$$$$$$$$$$$ xe100 .....
 
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Meanwhile in the real world outside reformationists rewrites of history no apostasy took place.

Read such as " life of Anthony " anasthasius whose ministry spanned Constantine reign and see that dogma did not change. Or read " the apostasy that never was" for complete rebuttal of your claim.

So do we get an apology from you for misleading?
That is like Monsanto saying it's products are healthy. I'm not condemning anyone's views. Some are free to follow the will of man, some the will of God. Al I asked was, was there ever an official apology for those who claimed to follow the will of God crawling in bed with those who didn't.
 
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Go figure. I've found other references:
Go figure...

BTW the OT scriptures are in prophet times. The NT ones either speak of the Kingdom or the need to stay separate from the governance of man by causing them no trouble.
 
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Go figure...

BTW the OT scriptures are in prophet times. The NT ones either speak of the Kingdom or the need to stay separate from the governance of man by causing them no trouble.

We common folk refer to "causing them no trouble" as obeying the law.
Jesus said local law was his fathers will, and he submitted to it as far as to His death.
 
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We common folk refer to "causing them no trouble" as obeying the law.
Obeying the law first and foremost is putting the will of the Father before the will of man, and second loving all as self. Would those that do so break human laws? Why point towards human laws when it is God's that is supposed to be a priority. See how easy it is for the adversary to twist things?
 
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That is like Monsanto saying it's products are healthy. I'm not condemning anyone's views. Some are free to follow the will of man, some the will of God. Al I asked was, was there ever an official apology for those who claimed to follow the will of God crawling in bed with those who didn't.

Sorry , I thought you were claiming the church apostatised in constantines reign, which is often said but totally unsupportable from history,
 
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The purpose of Jesus' teachings was to show the contrast between the ways of God by way of the counter-culture of the Kingdom and the Father's Kingdom (governance) as compared to the self serving ways of mankind. There is a chasm between the two. That will be resolved with the return of Jesus and the world of man will not survive. Until that time however the world of man has tried to close the chasm by making the Kingdom back over in it's own image. What else is the Adversary to do? The rebellion continues.

If you actually read up on church history, especially early church saints and monastics, I think you would see there were people far more dedicated to leaving the world and pursing the kingdom than anyone present today. The very people you condemn I bet would humble you with how holy they were.
 
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Sorry , I thought you were claiming the church apostatised in constantines reign, which is often said but totally unsupportable from history,

That is essentially what he is saying. All of us who follow those evil structured churches are in bed with the devil and missed Christ's teachings. At least that's what I've gathered from most of his posting across the board.
 
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People seem to miss out on the fact that Constantine legalized an already existing Church structure with Bishops, Archbishops and Patriarchs. All that changed was that the Patriarch had a say in government matters. The emperor had no say whatsoever in doctrine he just accepted what the council ruled. In fact I believe Constantine leaned towards arianism but submitted to the decision of the council.
 
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At the time of Constantine, Christianity accepted an offer to become the State religion of a new Roman Empire following a civil war. As a result it abandoned the counter-culture of Jesus' Kingdom, to rejoin the world of man, a world built upon self serving ways and self justification, as a result of the Fall. A religion meant to serve the opposing will of God, joined forces with the will of man, to become a power of man and eventually as it evolved, a worldly empire of it's own.

My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of? Did any repent of/change their official position and turn from accepting the offer of the Tempter that Jesus rejected, where 'all this could be yours'? Do they carry on like the rest of the governance of man to this day or do they now teach separation between the two worlds as Jesus taught. Will they teach that which condemns their act of joining the world of man and rejecting the Kingdom?

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
There was NO traitorous act; that's pop-mythology. The church remained steadfast in holding correct doctrine regardless of politics and abuses and human weakness, limitations, failings, sin, etc, due to God's assurance of guidance; man cannot accomplish that on his own. In fact, Constantine supported Arianism while the Council of Nicea deemed it to be heresy, despite His obvious support of the Church and the convening of that council to resolve the issue.

Man will always have worldly ways, while God can accomplish His purposes in spite of us weak vessels.
 
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