Question... Was there ever an apology?

Perhaps Martin Luther was the apology?

timothyu said:

My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of?

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Why would they ? "They" never thought it wrong, what they did.

CharismaticLady said:

Up until Constantine, the church age was that of martyrdom, and the church was underground because it was illegal. Church history 101. SDA's blame Constantine for changing the Sabbath to Sunday. Wrong. And you blame Constantine for making Christianity the state religion. Wrong.

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timothyu said:

Legal according to who... man or god?

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The Ekklesia are "underground"/ "illegal" in many countries, and all over the world we are all "like sheep led to slaughter DAILY" ......
They , the Ekklesia, had to flee , hide or be arrested when the enemy gained power - what was the "leagle" religion was putting them to death.

timothyu said:

Quite possible. So when did they lose sight of the Kingdom and confuse the will of God with the will of man?

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"There are many anti-christs among us" is written.
"The wolves are around the flock, ready to tear it apart when I/we/(the apostles) are gone"
and so it happened....

SkyWriting said:

God puts all rulers in place.

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That doesn't mean they are doing what is right. Many of them disobey openly supporting homos, adultery, etc etc etc .....

yeshuaslavejeff said:

That doesn't mean they are doing what is right. Many of them disobey openly supporting homos, adultery, etc etc etc .....

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We all have sins, yet God lets us take one more breath.
You can be sure there would be sin inside your administration team as well.
Perhaps inside your oval office. Pride, gluttony, who knows what shenanigans
you would tolerate?

timothyu said:

Not since the days of the prophets. Jesus told Pilate “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above." That did not mean rulers have approval of God. It just meant in that case of convicting Jesus Pilate was allowed to condemn. What would be the purpose of leaders to God who do not love all as self and seek gain at the expense of others, except to be used as examples of anti-Christ ways. God gives us a choice... their will or His.

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What would be your evidence that all rulers before the prophets were appointed by God and then that stopped? You think the government in the days of the jews was different than today? Better, worse? More godly? More blessed?

SkyWriting said:

We all have sins, yet God lets us take one more breath.
You can be sure there would be sin inside your administration team as well.
Perhaps inside your oval office. Pride, gluttony, who knows what shenanigans
you would tolerate?

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Yahuweh knows. As Jesus says to all Ekklesia "... sin no more" (NO shenanigans).
So no, I never tolerated any shenanigans - (nor should you continue doing if you still do as you posted over the last several years).

The administration team (you call it), is not mine. The oval office, is not mine.

God lets some take one more breath, but many (most ) die in their sin, whether pride, gluttony, "who knows what shenanigans" (homos know about their sin, even when no one else knows) , and of course Yahuweh knows all, everything, about everyone.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Yahuweh knows. As Jesus says to all Ekklesia "... sin no more" (NO shenanigans).
So no, I never tolerated any shenanigans - (nor should you continue doing if you still do as you posted over the last several years).The administration team (you call it), is not mine. The oval office, is not mine.God lets some take one more breath, but many (most ) die in their sin, whether pride, gluttony, "who knows what shenanigans" (homos know about their sin, even when no one else knows) , and of course Yahuweh knows all, everything, about everyone.

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Still hung up on your pet peeve of sex thinking it is a different type of sin? It'snot.

Idolatry, greed, covetousness, love of money, gluttony, complaining, not loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, tempting God, high-mindedness, disobedience, witchcraft, lover of self, putting family, friends, job, or anything else above God including food, money, sports, inter, TV, Internet inappropriate contentography, movies, cars, attachment to riches or material goods and dozens of other things. Love of money, greed, disobedience, covetousness, love of money, lover of self, putting family, friends, job, or anything else above God, irreverent use of God’s Word, attachment to riches or material goods. Cursing, swearing, blaspheming, breaking oath taken in God’s name, irreverent use of God’s name in humor, speaking evil of the church, taking communion or the Lord’s Supper in a careless manner or unworthily, anger at God, careless use of God’s name, euphemisms like “geez, gosh, oh my God” etc.the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.Sloth, laziness, neglecting to assemble with the saints, profaning worship service, fighting or speaking evil of Christian brothers or sisters.Honor your father and your mother, breaking civil laws when taught by parents to do obey the laws, failing to take care of aged parents, failing to take care of sick parents, fighting with and/or speaking evil about siblings. Cursing father or mother, dishonoring parents, striking or fighting with parents, disobeying parents, making fun of parents, filthy talk, speaking evil or badly of parents, and grandparents included in the aforementioned things.Murder, anger, hate, enmity, rage, brawling, rioting, striker, unforgiving heart, wrath, unmerciful, dissensions, contentions, clamor, despitefulness, debate, arguing, fighting, abortion, divisions, strife, rivalries, Adultery, fornication, sexual immorality, filthy talk, crude joking, whoremongers, defiling the body, homosexuality, sensuality, impurity, tempting others sexually, inordinate passion, corrupt language, effeminate, inappropriate contentography, vulgar or crude jokes. Stealing, bribery, extortion, sloth or laziness at work, defrauding, dishonesty, cheating, gambling, Lying, gossiping, slandering, backbiting, spreading rumors, deceit, extortion, railing, slander, defrauding, breaking promises, craftiness, hypocrisy, dishonesty, whisperers, idle words, withhold all of the truth, double-tongued, bragging, boasting, flattery, exaggerating the truth, whining, speaking evil of others. Coveting, envy, lust, jealousy, drunkenness, sorcery (Greek means drug abuse), materialism, wantonness, sensuality, gambling, revelings, attachment to riches or material goods, lawsuits against Christians, emulations, extortion, desire for money, desire for power, desire for sex (relating to sexual immorality), anger at other’s good fortunes, desiring things of others, flirting or playing with temptation.

You can see why the new covenant has replaced the old, obsolete, first one.
We all deserve the wages of sin.

timothyu said:

Not since the days of the prophets. Jesus told Pilate “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above." That did not mean rulers have approval of God. It just meant in that case of convicting Jesus Pilate was allowed to condemn. What would be the purpose of leaders to God who do not love all as self and seek gain at the expense of others, except to be used as examples of anti-Christ ways. God gives us a choice... their will or His.

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All the time, throughout history, secular and religious, Yahuweh sets up who He Chooses, and brings them down when He Desires to.
The point? Yahuweh is Sovereign, and "works everything" (all things), out completely for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His Purpose. He DID NOT STOP controlling who is put in power, in any position, after the prophets, or any other time....

SkyWriting said:

Still hung up on sex thinking it is different?

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Is it different? I never saw any post of yours repenting of approving of abominations. So, if not, then it is still not different than before. Sin is still sin.

Meanwhile in the real world outside reformationists rewrites of history no apostasy took place.

Read such as " life of Anthony " anasthasius whose ministry spanned Constantine reign and see that dogma did not change. Or read " the apostasy that never was" for complete rebuttal of your claim.

So do we get an apology from you for misleading?

timothyu said:

At the time of Constantine, Christianity accepted an offer to become the State religion of a new Roman Empire following a civil war. As a result it abandoned the counter-culture of Jesus' Kingdom, to rejoin the world of man, a world built upon self serving ways and self justification, as a result of the Fall. A religion meant to serve the opposing will of God, joined forces with the will of man, to become a power of man and eventually as it evolved, a worldly empire of it's own.

My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of? Did any repent of/change their official position and turn from accepting the offer of the Tempter that Jesus rejected, where 'all this could be yours'? Do they carry on like the rest of the governance of man to this day or do they now teach separation between the two worlds as Jesus taught. Will they teach that which condemns their act of joining the world of man and rejecting the Kingdom?

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Is it different? I never saw any post of yours repenting of approving of abominations. So, if not, then it is still not different than before. Sin is still sin.

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While Jesus still saves, the law always kills. It's a fact.

timothyu said:

Less apparent when the wolves run the show, even to those shepherds within whose hearts are in the right place. Tradition has a way of making insanity look sane.

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I don't think so. Even the sheep "KNOW" the SHEPHERDS (JESUS') VOICE, and FOLLOW HIM - we will not follow another.
So more so, the ones you seem to call "shepherds", recognize (if their "hearts are in the right place") as Yahuweh Reveals, the wolves, and protect the sheep from them DAILY....

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The administration team (you call it), is not mine. The oval office, is not mine.

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I disagree. You have more reach than you can imagine.