Exorcism / Deliverance among Cessianists

Pavel Mosko · Sep 18, 2019

I was reading "the Biblical Proof for a private prayer language in tongues" thread with great interest late last night. (I work a very slow over night job and like reading stuff from the board to pass the time etc.). Reading the thread got me to thinking about the topic of demons, exorcism and the Great Commission. It just seems to me based on both observation and intuition that this sort of ministry pretty much goes hand in hand with some kind of super-naturalism in Christianity. Charismatics/ Pentecostals do it. Catholics, Orthodox, and ACOE also do it (albeit liturgically). I have never heard of any "Biblically based" Cessionist working in this sort of ministry.... which makes me think that they don't do it (or at least it is some well guarded secret).

So am I wrong? Or if I'm right how do you justify based on the Great Commission and other parts of the NT? But if you do minister in deliverance or your church does etc. , then please give some details and information; because, well your activity is not something that gets any press etc.

PS - Other non Cessionist folks who want to chime in are also welcome to do so.

Where is the biblical proof for a private prayer language in tongues?

Ricky M · Sep 18, 2019

Cessationists believe that kind of thing has ceased (thus the name), so no you won't find any cessationists doing any of that kind of thing. Well, not that they will admit to. They will pray for someone to be healed in church or at their bedside, and that person will be healed, but they'll say that wasn't what Paul was talking about. Oh but it is; that's part of the whole package. People have this dog and pony show image of gift working (thank you satan, you will pay for that), but the truest miracles happen quietly in private with your Father Who sees in private. It's just too bad that our cessationist brethren think we're all liars, and that none of that counts because there wasn't a crowd to verify it.

All this reminds me of the times Jesus couldn't perform any healings, just because the people didn't believe He was in-network.

Cessationists are right, the gifts have ceased. But only because they believe they have.

DennisTate · Sep 26, 2019

My wife is a gifted Pentecostal who was somehow told by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that I was going to be her husband after I sent her an e-mail back in 2000.

She printed off my e-mail at her place of work, took it home, prayed about it and was told to fast and pray for me for thirty five days. For three days / week for four weeks she drank only fruit juices... no solid food. For the fifth, seven days in a row only fruit juice.

I was three thousand miles north, north east of her home in Quito, Ecuador basking in the most astonishing Shalom / peace of mind that I had experienced in a decade.

I had gone through a time of disappointment with the plan of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as explained in the New Testament and had prayed in anger..... and gotten myself into a pretty serious spiritual mess. Messiah Yeshua - Jesus had astonishing mercy on me to bless me with my wife and our daughter who was born in 2002.

If you are curious about the state of mind I was in that got me into trouble I explained it to an Orthodox Jewish Sanhedrin Rabbi here:
My conversation with the Rabbi.....

Pavel Mosko said:
I was reading "the Biblical Proof for a private prayer language in tongues" thread with great interest late last night. (I work a very slow over night job and like reading stuff from the board to pass the time etc.). Reading the thread got me to thinking about the topic of demons, exorcism and the Great Commission. It just seems to me based on both observation and intuition that this sort of ministry pretty much goes hand in hand with some kind of super-naturalism in Christianity. Charismatics/ Pentecostals do it. Catholics, Orthodox, and ACOE also do it (albeit liturgically). I have never heard of any "Biblically based" Cessionist working in this sort of ministry.... which makes me think that they don't do it (or at least it is some well guarded secret).

So am I wrong? Or if I'm right how do you justify based on the Great Commission and other parts of the NT? But if you do minister in deliverance or your church does etc. , then please give some details and information; because, well your activity is not something that gets any press etc.

PS - Other non Cessionist folks who want to chime in are also welcome to do so.

Where is the biblical proof for a private prayer language in tongues?

Francis Drake · Sep 26, 2019

I wonder if the demons also got the cessationist message, and are now in sunny retirement on a beach somewhere.

BCsenior · Sep 26, 2019

Ricky M said:
Cessationists are right, the gifts have ceased. But only because they believe they have.

Cessationists are right, the gifts have ceased for them!
Until they bury their false doctrines ...
which are from Satan, delivered gratis via the churches.
Great to have you (1 or 2?) on board ... and hope to hear more from you!

BTW, what do you think about Jesus being created, formed, etc.
via these three: the Word, Mary, and the Holy Spirit?

ToBeLoved · Sep 26, 2019

It is interesting that cessasionists dont get possessed, but people that believe in spiritual gifts do all the crazy things that are associated with possession.

I would also blame your own preachers and teachers for the bad rap.

Maybe bounce it back into your own camp.

I would also say that we don’t want to end up like many of our brothers and sisters who have spiritual gifts.

The representation of those WITH spiritual gifts, if one calls it that, is one of the reasons cessationists don’t particularly want them.

Pavel Mosko · Sep 26, 2019

ToBeLoved said:
I would also blame your own preachers and teachers for the bad rap.

Maybe bounce it back into your own camp.

I would also say that we don’t want to end up like many of our brothers and sisters who have spiritual gifts.

What about if people show up to your church that claim to be demonized, or otherwise obviously act in a way that demonstrates they believe themselves possessed? This sort of thing happens a lot in Egypt, where Muslims seek out Christian churches for help.

Ricky M · Sep 26, 2019

BCsenior said:
Cessationists are right, the gifts have ceased for them!
Until they bury their false doctrines ...
which are from Satan, delivered gratis via the churches.
Great to have you (1 or 2?) on board ... and hope to hear more from you!

BTW, what do you think about Jesus being created, formed, etc.
via these three: the Word, Mary, and the Holy Spirit?

I've never really understood the obsession with Mary...

But I've never been Catholic either so that may be why

Ricky M · Sep 26, 2019

ToBeLoved said:
It is interesting that cessasionists dont get possessed, but people that believe in spiritual gifts do all the crazy things that are associated with possession.

I would also blame your own preachers and teachers for the bad rap.

Maybe bounce it back into your own camp.

I would also say that we don’t want to end up like many of our brothers and sisters who have spiritual gifts.

The representation of those WITH spiritual gifts, if one calls it that, is one of the reasons cessationists don’t particularly want them.

There's a lot of truth here. People are often their own worst enemies. I think what goes on in a lot of Pentecostal/charismatic churches these days are precisely why Paul wrote 1 Cor 14, stressing the proper time and place for such things. But, that being said, satan only falsifies and muddies things that are based in truth. Are we really going to toss the baby with the bathwater solely because we humans go overboard with it?

ToBeLoved · Sep 26, 2019

Pavel Mosko said:
What about if people show up to your church that claim to be demonized, or otherwise obviously act in a way that demonstrates they believe themselves possessed? This sort of thing happens a lot in Egypt, where Muslims seek out Christian churches for help.

There are plenty of churches that would love to help.

Haven’t met anyone yet and I’ve been around a long time.

ToBeLoved · Sep 26, 2019

Ricky M said:
There's a lot of truth here. People are often their own worst enemies. I think what goes on in a lot of Pentecostal/charismatic churches these days are precisely why Paul wrote 1 Cor 14, stressing the proper time and place for such things. But, that being said, satan only falsifies and muddies things that are based in truth. Are we really going to toss the baby with the bathwater solely because we humans go overboard with it?

I don’t toss anything out.

I am more of the viewpoint that God may give specific gifts to specific people for His purpose if the gifts are still valid.

I think spirit filled people think others are missing something and like to talk about “dead” churches and “dead” faith and “pew sitters”, ect but it doesn’t phase me any.

If God wants to show me different, I’m available, but so far He hasn’t.

I truly think our faith is stronger because we don’t need these huge displays of miracles or emotion to love God. But that’s just IMHO.

In the Bible, those who believe but have not seen miracles and things are commended.

Ricky M · Sep 27, 2019

ToBeLoved said:
I don’t toss anything out.

I am more of the viewpoint that God may give specific gifts to specific people for His purpose if the gifts are still valid.

I think spirit filled people think others are missing something and like to talk about “dead” churches and “dead” faith and “pew sitters”, ect but it doesn’t phase me any.

If God wants to show me different, I’m available, but so far He hasn’t.

I truly think our faith is stronger because we don’t need these huge displays of miracles or emotion to love God. But that’s just IMHO.

In the Bible, those who believe but have not seen miracles and things are commended.

People often are their own worst enemies. I have to imagine faulty teaching from those who embrace the gifts are a big reason why so many reject them as having ceased.

ToBeLoved · Sep 27, 2019

Ricky M said:
People often are their own worst enemies. I have to imagine faulty teaching from those who embrace the gifts are a big reason why so many reject them as having ceased.

For me, I disagree with the idea that they ceased because of current practice, rather I see it as Biblical.

I feel it is ‘further proof’ of the Biblical view.

I personally believe it may be a specific gift of the Holy Spirit, but I don’t believe it would be a gift for all.

But then modern spirit filled believers in their quest for signs and wonders I believe work outside many times of gifting they have not been given.

I agree with many being their own worst enemy

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