Daniel C
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Eternal Security is not biblical not only because it cannot be supported by the Bible (Note: Anyone can easily refute this belief simply by looking at the surrounding verses in most cases) but because it leads to immorality (Whether that person wants that to happen or not). For if you tell a child or new believer (that you will never see again) that all their future sin is forgiven them, they can easily be led to think that you are teaching the same belief that George Sodini taught. George Sodini believed all his future sins were paid for. He even stated this in his own suicide letter and his own confession to his future crime of committing mass murder. The crazy thing is. One of the deacons said he was still saved despite what he did.
George Sodini - Eternal Security Proponent - Mass Murderer and Suicide Victim.
Of course, they take believing in Jesus alone for salvation very seriously. This is something the rest of you don't do. You believe that works need to be there to show a true faith. You need something else besides a belief in Jesus alone in order to be saved. Call it regneration that leads to works and holiness or whatever you like, but you must admit that there has to be some level of morality within God's Kingdom because God is good and holy. But if one believes one is saved saved by a belief alone in Jesus, then it does not matter what you do. Jesus says we will know a tree by its fruit. If a particular belief leads to wrong thinking then it is not true.
Right, because it is not biblical.
Everyone has a different understanding on what Legalism means. Surely a man can wrongfully say to a woman that they do not need to be married officially on paper because that would be legalism. A person can justify speeding in a school zone (despite the children) because that would be legalism to obey the letter of the traffic laws. When folks say things like "Legalism" usually they are promoting some form of lawlessness or wrong activity or sin. Anyways, if you were to re-read the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7), you will notice that Jesus was teaching righteous instruction and or in doing good vs. what popular Christianity teaches (Which is believe in the finished work of Christ alone).
In fact, when you read Matthew 7:14 (narrow is the way that leads unto life), this is in context to Jesus also saying, that not everyone who says unto Him "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom of Heaven but he that does the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21). Matthew 7:14 is in context to Jesus saying to those believers who did wonderful works in his name to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (or sin). Matthew 7:14 is in context to Jesus saying that if anyone does not do what He says, they are like a fool who built their house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27).
If God commands you to do something, that is not legalism. Legalism is when we decide to make up our own rules that is outside of God's commands. Legalism would also be something that does not involve God's grace or attempts to minimize His grace in some way. Surely believers can confess of their sins and be forgiven of them (1 John 1:9). But in Eternal Security there is no real need to confess of sin to be forgiven. One is already saved by having a belief alone on Jesus. So one can kick back on a beach and step over the poor guy and live life to the fullest because they have a belief alone on Jesus.
Titus 2:11-12 says that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world. So God's grace teaches legalism? Is that what Paul is saying? No. God's grace leads to obedience to His commands. For Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). Many are trying to justify the idea that they can break God's commands in some way with the thinking they are saved by having a belief alone on Jesus. But Jesus says, if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). I ask the Eternal Security Proponent: Do you love Jesus enough to keep His commandments? Many who are of the OSAS belief that I have talked with say that they can not overcome grievous sin in this life and that they will always sin in some way.
Main points here:
1)Eternal security is Biblical both scriptural and logically.
2)Eternal security leads onto sinful lifestyle-in your opinion only!
Whenever I present this to people who believe in conditional salvation they tap dance around it,will you address this directly?
''For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.''
''For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.''
Most members just try to redefine words or try other sneaky tactics,so what you say to this?
God cannot be in debt to the creation,so the only way salvation can happen is the transaction of a gift. If you earn it God is in debt to the workers,then you are boasting and self righteous. Not to mention God loses divinity. Salvation is defined as eternal and we are saved when we are born again hence we receive the eternal free gift of salvation.
You gave one example of a guy who did bad things professing eternal salvation,he said it,did he believe it?
You have no evidence of this blanket statement that eternal security leads onto a sinful lifestyle and in my opinion I think people who believe in eternal security generally have the highest standards. Because the denominations that follow this doctrine are Bible believing Christians and take the Bible as their final authority.
You trust in works but some of the denominations who are advocates of work salvation have been racked with pedophilia and degeneracy over recent years,so....
I will trust Gods word not my works.
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