Pope’s proposal for ‘new humanism’ would ‘wipe out Christianity’: Mother Miriam

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If I read the book of Revelation right, I don't see a particularly positive future for humanity, especially after the Rapture of believers, which could happen at any time without warning.

Yes, that would certainly spice things up a bit. So while waiting for that like the faithful have done last 2000 years for nothing do you think the mankind would benefit from the increased co-operation ?
 
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Humanism is Christianity without the baggage of doctrine and dogma. Christianity has nothing to fear from humanism because Christianity is humanistic.
Humanism is a word that's vague enough it produces groups of people that define it in ways that also produce a number of differing forms of doctrine and dogma too. The American Humanistic Society view about what it means, "Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism or other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good."

That particular view on humanism isn't Christianity and if ultimately it means no longer being free to speak the Gospel in an educational environment then that would exclude Christianity and not be inclusive. In addition there are so many talking points about the OP it boggles the mind if it included more links that are very relevant to the topic.

Pope calls for educational alliance to promote care for common home - Vatican News

Document on Human Fraternity - Wikipedia.
 
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I haven't finished watching the first video yet but did you know that there is a prediction within Islamic apocalyptic literature that the time was coming when nobody would admit that they are Muslims????????

Fascinating. So how is this relevant to some false claims made in the article about current state of Iran ?
 
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Who is Mother Miriam? Why is her opinion important?

About Mother Miriam

Born and raised in a Jewish home, Rosalind Moss (now Mother Miriam of the Lamb of God, O.S.B.), in her adult years, embraced Jesus as the Messiah of the Jewish people. Her conversion took her from a successful business career to full-time Evangelical Protestant ministry, earning a Master’s degree from Talbot Theological Seminary. A series of events in the summer of 1990 set her on a compelling course to the Catholic Church which she entered at Easter 1995.

Having been strangely affected as a young Jewish girl in New York by the shortening of nuns’ habits, Mother Miriam’s dream of returning the hemline to the floor and the habit to the world was realized when, in 2008, at the invitation of Archbishop (now Cardinal) Raymond Burke, the Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel’s Hope was founded. As a contemplative-active Benedictine community of religious sisters, their primary apostolate of helping to restore God’s design for the family is bringing hope to many in the midst of a world turned from God.

Not long after entering the Church, “Rosalind” became a full-time staff apologist for Catholic Answers traveling the world, speaking and teaching through conferences, parish missions, women’s and family retreats, and all forms of media, including St. Joseph’s Radio, EWTN, Catholic Answers Live and Immaculate Heart Radio.

And no idea why someone thinks her opinion is important....
 
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There are predictions about Pope Francis that goes back many centuries that he will be the last Pope somehow???????

One loophole on this is that if he became the first Pope in eighteen centuries to take a wife... then technically he would have altered the Papacy. Cephas - Peter was obviously married so there certainly is legal and theological precedent for his doing this.

I have read that the idea of a celibate priesthood and taking church into large buildings was partly a response to the level of power that women had in the second, third and fourth century.

To get an idea of how much influence women may have had in the second and third century you may wish to take a look at home based church growth in Iran over this past decade or so.


Fastest growing church has no buildings, no central leadership, and is mostly led by women | God Reports

The role of women in the Early Church is fascinating. Jesus himself appears to be completely gender blind. Contrary to Jewish custom, he treated them as equals even in public situations. He counted them among his disciples. The apostles are named but almost no other men while plenty of women are named.

The issue of womens' role in the church is not as clear cut as some people would want to think. The letters of Paul, which date to the middle of the first century AD, provide some clues. For example, Paul greets Prisca, Junia, Julia, and Nereus' sister, who worked and traveled as missionaries in pairs with their husbands or brothers (Romans 16:3, 7, 15) as equals and co-workers. Junia is praised as a prominent apostle, imprisoned for her faith. Mary and Persis are commended for their hard work (Romans 16:6, 12). Euodia and Syntyche are called his fellow-workers in the gospel (Philippians 4:2-3). Women were the leaders of house churches (Apphia in Philemon 2; Prisca in I Corinthians 16:19), Lydia of Thyatira (Acts 16:15) and Nympha of Laodicea (Colossians 4:15). Women held offices and played significant roles in group worship, such as the deacon Phoebe (Romans 16:1) and women were certainly praying and prophesying during worship (I Corinthians 11). An order of widows served formal roles of ministry (I Timothy 5:9-10). Women prophets included Mary Magdalene, the Corinthian women, Philip's daughters, Ammia of Philadelphia, Philumene, the visionary martyr Perpetua, Maximilla, Priscilla (Prisca), and Quintilla.

When we look at the bible, both old and new testaments, we realize that they emerged from an extremely patriarchal society. This society devalued women to the extent that they were not even considered to be persons before the law. Not only were they devalued but they were in many ways considered to be of inferior intellect and of a carnal nature even moreso than the male. Patriarchy was simply part and parcel of their world view --- they simply were unable to think of the role of women in any other way. Today we know that women are the intellectual and spiritual equals of men and in every respect except physical size and strength. Paul, at first, appears conflicted until we realize that the pastoral epistles (1 and 2 Timothy and Titus) were actually written pseudonymously some 60 years after Paul's death. This was more than enough time for patriarchy to once again take charge. In my personal opinion patriarchy just might be the ugliest evil that humanity has ever inflicted on itself. It still exerts its malevolent influence in some circles even today. As a Christian I am convinced that we should make every effort to ensure the full equality of women in every aspect of the life of our churches and in society at large.
 
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Not too sure what all the fuss is about. Seems like some folks don't have the faith they claim to have:

Matthew 16
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
 
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Who is Mother Miriam? Why is her opinion important?
She's a Mother Superior with a radio program. I guess she knows the catechism a lot better than Bergoglio.
 
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Pope’s proposal for ‘new humanism’ would ‘wipe out Christianity’: Mother Miriam

September 25, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — News of the pope’s just-launched “Global Pact” for “new humanism” has “to do with ruining our society, ruining our culture, and destroying the family,” Mother Miriam said on her live show Monday.

On September 12, the Vatican issued a statement inviting religious, humanitarian, and international leaders, and leading politicians, academics, scientists, and athletes, to sign a “Global Pact on Education.”

On her Monday show, Mother Miriam read and reflected on a LifeSiteNews article about it.


“We did not awake this morning to glorious news, and it all has to do with ruining our society, ruining our culture, and destroying the family,” she said.

The goal of the “Global Pact on Education” is to hand “on to younger generations a united and fraternal common home.” Mother told listeners this is the “common home of the devil. There is no common home we have but Heaven and Christianity on Earth this side of Heaven. We have no common home other than that.”

According to a Vatican site promoting the pact, “Pope Francis has invited everyone who cares about the education of the young generation to sign a Global Pact, to create a global change of mentality through education.”

“Beloved, that is what the communists set out to do well over a hundred years ago,” Mother responded. “The evil has entered into the Church, and it has been bought by the very pope himself and the hierarchy.”

Mother reminded listeners that we are called to be stewards of God’s creation and to educate our children.

Over the last few weeks, Mother’s shows have focused on the duty of parents to educate their children. She has called on parents to pull their children out of public schools to protect them from gender ideology and graphic sex education. Mother has advocated bringing children home and not passing off their primary duty of educating their children to others. The pope is proposing nearly the opposite.

“This [the Global Education Pact],” the pope said, “will result in men and women who are open, responsible, prepared to listen, dialogue and reflect with others, and capable of weaving relationships with families, between generations, and with civil society, and thus to create a new humanism.”

Mother called the pope’s initiative to globalize education “demonic.”

“This is not to protect the family at all. An educational village that will once and for all destroy the family and the human race.”


She was careful to emphasize that she was calling the proposition, not the pope, demonic.

Pope Francis stated that to reach his proposed objectives, everyone needs to “have the courage to place the human person at the center” and to “train individuals who are ready to offer themselves in service of the community.”

To this Mother responded, “Isn’t that what is wrong with our world today, beloved? Instead of placing Christ at the center, we place man at the center?”

The article Mother went through outlined the pope’s objectives, including to “heal the fracture between man and the Absolute.”

Mother noted that “the Absolute” is an ambiguous phrase and could refer to Buddha, the Muslim god, or any god. “What happened to God? The Absolute is not one of God’s names.”

Mother finished the reflective portion of her show by reminding listeners, quoting Bishop John Carroll of Baltimore, that the only way to change society is through the education of children.

More at the link: Pope’s proposal for ‘new humanism’ would ‘wipe out Christianity’: Mother Miriam
How can one be a traditional Catholic and speak out against the Pope? Kudos for Mother Miriam, but I don't get it. To be Catholic, I thought you had to believe the Pope was infallible.
 
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The late Archbishop Dom Helder Camara (of Recife Brazil): "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist."
Seems like they have it about right.
 
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That was a helpful post, since many would have no idea about what is normal in the past. People tend to imagine (often idealize) the past instead of being aware of the more exact way it really was. (Of course the article itself also has its own slant [edit: reading more now, let me instead say the article has its own extreme slanted view, where protestants are in a false religion, like Buddhists, and more....], its own [totally!] blind spots, but I hope people realize that every viewpoint always has blind spots [though this article...is sorta extreme in that], for 100% of human beings, no exceptions -- and this is part of why we need the only reliable real touchstone that doesn't fail at times like all human thoughts/viewpoints will: the Word of God)
 
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Right....if you consider that this belief is not shared by majority of the humanity can you see the positive sides of the continued integration of the human species ?
Yes we are to strive to be at peace with all people:

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. (Romans 12:8)

Then again we are told by the Apostle Paul:

2 Corinthians 6: NASB

14Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15What accord has Christ with Belial?b Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?

So we must discern wisely when entering into agreements with non-believers.
 
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The article has an important mistake:

Again, Nothing can "wipe out Christianity".

Not life or death, not men, not time, not demons, not powers, not ideas, not nations, not tanks, not the internet, not wrong in churches, not anything. Nothing. No thing can win against Christ, in the end.

No power can win against Him.

Christ Jesus is Lord, and He will win.
 
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It's very difficult to know what the Pope is thinking. Whether his theology is just innocently terrible, or whether he is trying to sow confusion and encourage heresy and error. We don't know.

I think that is probably the best construction one can give. Leave it to Grace to remind of us of the Eighth Commandment.:)
 
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And no idea why someone thinks her opinion is important....
Well she is Catholic and as a convert to the Catholic church probably knows the catechism better than Jorge Mario Bergoglio.
 
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How can one be a traditional Catholic and speak out against the Pope? Kudos for Mother Miriam, but I don't get it. To be Catholic, I thought you had to believe the Pope was infallible.
She made the distinction between the doctrine being evil and not the Pope.
 
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