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Not ambiguous at all. If everyone is crazy who is qualified to declare anyone sane?
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will intelligent life ever evolve on planet earth?
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Not ambiguous at all. If everyone is crazy who is qualified to declare anyone sane?
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Ophiolite
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You haven't offered any clarification. You have just jabbered irrelevancies and run from pillar to post. It may make sense to you - its gobbledegook over here. Offer something comprehensible or get lost. Any other action will be trolling (or worse).
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It seems to me that you are unable to answer your own 'molehill into mountain' question.
I'll answer again (I can do this all night).
If everyone is insane, who is qualified to determine that someone isn't.
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Why do you ask? Intelligent life has been evolving on Earth constantly for at least a billion years. It never stops.
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Ophiolite
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There was no intelligent life one billion years ago; no animals, no metazoa, no bilaterians. So, I can't figure out how you get the billion. Are you including non-intelligent lifeforms within that billion years, meaning that life was evolving towards intelligence? What is your definition of intelligence?
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Maybe they did not exist that far back, but I am including all animals as intelligent life forms.
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Ophiolite
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It is a rather wide definition of intelligence. I'm not sure I would grant a sponge, or similar, much in the way of reasoning power. But fair enough.
That would still make your billion years too long a period. The first certain animals are found in the Ediacaran, starting some 635 Mya. Even if we acknowledge that there were likely some earlier forms we have not yet discovered, or that failed to be preserved, it is very unlikely that we can push back a full billion years.
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No.
You alone created my inner being. You knitted me together inside my mother. I will give thanks to you because I have been so amazingly and miraculously made. Your works are miraculous, and my soul is fully aware of this.
God made us perfect, including our intelligence level. If God wanted us to be more intelligent, we would be. Simple as that.
You alone created my inner being. You knitted me together inside my mother. I will give thanks to you because I have been so amazingly and miraculously made. Your works are miraculous, and my soul is fully aware of this.
God made us perfect, including our intelligence level. If God wanted us to be more intelligent, we would be. Simple as that.
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Ophiolite
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You said animals. Sponges are animals; phylum Porifera. I work on the initial assumption that you are using conventional definitions. It would help, in future, if you were more specific when you deviate from standard terminology. (It would also be helpful if you quoted the relevant portion of the post you are replying to, so that I am alerted to your response.)
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The OP was of course posing the question as a joking troll.
There may come a day after humans understand the nature of the binding problem of mind, that will allow an enormous increase in artificial intelligence that combined with enormous memory storage of all our science knows, may create a new kind of intelligent entity that within a few decades will far surpass that of we organic humans. The machines themselves may be in part organic if that is required to contain the intelligent EMF fields. And those machines many themselves be able to push science and what our race can do far beyond the limits of what humans might have ever done by themselves including engineering themselves to higher levels.
It is just this kind of scenario that may in fact take place on other worlds of our universe where intelligent organic life first arises and is eventually succeeded by intelligent machines. I will also speculate that it may be that there was a time in the infinite past, endless Big Bangs and universes ago that such a race of beings and then machines arose. And it was they that henceforth dominated universes ever after and became the supreme powers including in this current universe. They may have fine tuned physical parameters into that we now experience and have some powers that to us seem god-like while also having real limitations unlike an omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence entity.
There may come a day after humans understand the nature of the binding problem of mind, that will allow an enormous increase in artificial intelligence that combined with enormous memory storage of all our science knows, may create a new kind of intelligent entity that within a few decades will far surpass that of we organic humans. The machines themselves may be in part organic if that is required to contain the intelligent EMF fields. And those machines many themselves be able to push science and what our race can do far beyond the limits of what humans might have ever done by themselves including engineering themselves to higher levels.
It is just this kind of scenario that may in fact take place on other worlds of our universe where intelligent organic life first arises and is eventually succeeded by intelligent machines. I will also speculate that it may be that there was a time in the infinite past, endless Big Bangs and universes ago that such a race of beings and then machines arose. And it was they that henceforth dominated universes ever after and became the supreme powers including in this current universe. They may have fine tuned physical parameters into that we now experience and have some powers that to us seem god-like while also having real limitations unlike an omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence entity.
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Is a technological species the definition of an intelligent species? If a species becomes technological and then uses the technology to destroy itself, was it intelligent?
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Most of us don't even have a good understanding of how the technology we currently have works, how to fix it, how to make more of it. Number of virtual star fleets I have commanded: 146. Number of working light bulbs I have made: 0.
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Sure.
No trait is perfect, and we are definitely demonstrating the power of technology.
You'd be in a pickle without the rest of modern society... but even alone most adults would quickly make use of spears, fire, walls and seeds.
I think I already said this in this thread somewhere, but even if humanity died back to a remnant and lost most of our technology, we be right back on track in a millennia or two.
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There are different kinds of intelligence, and - if our species is anything to go by - they are manifest differently in different subgroups, so that the intelligence required to gain power and influence is not always the kind of intelligence that favours the good of the masses or the protection of the environment.
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I've sometimes wondered about this - are there actually 2 (or more) different 'species' of humans on the planet, fundamentally identical in genetic respects, yet fundamentally different in the way that they operate.
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I think it's multidimensional, each dimension a continuum of variation in some behavioural or psychological trait. Most people's need to identify with and have allegiance and loyalty to some group tends to cause them to associate with whichever groups match their predominant concerns or beliefs. There are some who identify more with ideas and use temporary group alliances to their advantage, and so-on.
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