President's phone call transcript

Wrong. It's not a transcript. Read the memorandum at the bottom of the first page of the document.

This phone call was 30 minutes. This "transcript" is not even 6 pages, including header and preface. You are 100% out to lunch if you think more won't come out.
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hislegacy said:

You judge for yourself

Ukraine Call Transcript

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The whole thing's really bizarre anyway. The opposition political party's Congressional spokesmen have made clear, many times, that they can impeach for any reason they choose. There have already been articles of impeachment introduced in the House of Representatives by a member who openly says that impeachment is in order because they don't like the president, that's all.

Now that they have hit on a new gimmick (Ukraine), nothing actually changes, but we will go on talking here as though there are legitimate reasons for impeachment--or not--as each poster wants to argue it.

Albion said:

The whole thing's really bizarre anyway. The opposition political party's Congressional spokesmen have made clear, many times, that they can impeach for any reason they choose. There have already been articles of impeachment introduced in the House of Representatives by a member who openly says that impeachment is in order because they don't like the president, that's all.

Now that they have hit on a new gimmick (Ukraine), nothing actually changes, but we will go on talking here as though there are legitimate reasons for impeachment--or not--as each poster wants to argue it.

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Do you have a quote?

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Transcript: Trump’s Call With the Ukrainian President

Dear Senator McSally,
I hope you value our republic and Constitutional powers invested in the Congress to act as a check on the executive branch.....

This is a shakedown.
Trump's arguments:

1. We do a lot for Ukraine.
2. There isn't much reciprocity.
3. Investigate Biden.
4. Talk to my personal lawyer about it.
5. Bonus: can Ukraine give me Hillary Clinton's server?

Listen to this about the Ukraine problem. Hillary and Obama have been guilty of the same and they were not impeached The Ben Shapiro Show.

Immediately after the Ukrainian President says they want to buy more weapons, Trump says “I want you to do us a favor though” and asks them to investigate his enemies. If Trump thought this somehow exonerated him, he’s clearly off his meds.

Johan_1988 said:

Listen to this about the Ukraine problem. Hillary and Obama have been guilty of the same and they were not impeached The Ben Shapiro Show.

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Just because the Republicans failed to impeach if and when they should have doesn’t mean the Democrats shouldn’t move forward with theirs.

Johan_1988 said:

Listen to this about the Ukraine problem. Hillary and Obama have been guilty of the same and they were not impeached The Ben Shapiro Show.

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I listened to some of it. The difference I see is that when Trump says corruption he's talking about investigating his own political opponent. When Biden talked about corruption it was about actual corruption.
I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine Years Ago. Then the Right-Wing Spin Machine Turned the Story Upside Down.

Kentonio said:

Immediately after the Ukrainian President says they want to buy more weapons, Trump says “I want you to do us a favor though” and asks them to investigate his enemies. If Trump thought this somehow exonerated him, he’s clearly off his meds.

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In the WH's talking points memo, they say that Zelenskyy was the first to mention Giuliani (why would he?), but that's not how it happens in these released notes.

Donald also refers to the notoriously corrupt prosecutor as "a very good prosecutor" who was taken down by "very bad people".

DaisyDay said:

In the WH's talking points memo, they say that Zelenskyy was the first to mention Giuliani (why would he?), but that's not how it happens in these released notes.

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Yes it is. Trump talks about the AG and Robert Mueller and then Zelenskyy mentions one of his assistants speaking with Giuliani.

hislegacy said:

You judge for yourself

Ukraine Call Transcript

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The congress won't impeach Trump, it's a numbers game after all. The Republicans are not going to support an impeachment because they will forfeit their chances in the next election.

DaisyDay said:

Donald also refers to the notoriously corrupt prosecutor as "a very good prosecutor" who was taken down by "very bad people".

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That's a strong tell. In semantics good and bad reverse because of two opposing perspectives. What Trump thinks of Shokin, good/bad, could reveal which side of the political war in Ukraine he is on Russia/Europe. But he also could just be uninformed.
Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin
Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia

klutedavid said:

The congress won't impeach Trump, it's a numbers game after all. The Republicans are not going to support an impeachment because they will forfeit their chances in the next election.

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If the impeachment process causes the courts to end the Whitehouse and DOJ stonewalling of all the investigations, it might make a difference. But his base is probably going to stick with him no matter how bad the evidence is against him. Even now they don't care that he violates campaign laws by asking that Ukraine investigate his opponent. Nonetheless, at least there is some check happening against lawlessness by some in congress who care about Democracy. Ultimately America will get what she votes for.

childeye 2 said:

Nonetheless, at least there is some check happening against lawlessness by some in congress who care about Democracy.

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I see that the latest jargon ordered up by the DNC has been put to use already.

Who remembers some of the other ones--"millionaires and billionaires," "climate of corruption," and "Koch Brothers," for example. Everybody but everybody seemed to be using them for awhile as they were supposed to, but then the new one came along and poof, they were history.

Albion said:

I see that the latest jargon ordered up by the DNC has been put to use already.

Who remembers some of the other ones--"millionaires and billionaires," "climate of corruption," and "Koch Brothers," for example. Everybody but everybody seemed to be using them for awhile as they were supposed to, but then the new one came along and poof, they were history.

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Are you talking about Trump's investigation into Biden?

DaisyDay said:

In the WH's talking points memo, they say that Zelenskyy was the first to mention Giuliani (why would he?), but that's not how it happens in these released notes.

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Zelensky said that one of his aides had been talking to giuliani. And it's in the context of investigating political opponents of the president. Obviously, there's already been discussion through Giuliani concerning this matter prior to the phone call. Giuliani indicated the same in his many interviews on various news networks.

childeye 2 said:

If the impeachment process causes the courts to end the Whitehouse and DOJ stonewalling of all the investigations, it might make a difference. But his base is probably going to stick with him no matter how bad the evidence is against him. Even now they don't care that he violates campaign laws by asking that Ukraine investigate his opponent. Nonetheless, at least there is some check happening against lawlessness by some in congress who care about Democracy. Ultimately America will get what she votes for.

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I agree.

They would not impeach Clinton.

They will not impeach Trump.

America may vote Trump out but by default but they will get Biden as punishment. I don't see any real difference between these two people, both are deeply corrupt.