Any former Trump supporters here?

Sparagmos · Sep 25, 2019

Did you previously vote for or support Trump, but have changed your mind about him? If so, what was it that changed your mind? Do you remember a moment when you decided you no longer supported him?

Monk Brendan · Sep 25, 2019

Sparagmos said:
Did you previously vote for or support Trump, but have changed your mind about him? If so, what was it that changed your mind? Do you remember a moment when you decided you no longer supported him?

I voted for him because I found him only slightly less repulsive than I found Hilary.

Sparagmos · Sep 25, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
I voted for him because I found him only slightly less repulsive than I found Hilary.

Do you plan on voting for him in 2020?

Monk Brendan · Sep 25, 2019

Sparagmos said:
Do you plan on voting for him in 2020?

Only if he's the only pro-life candidate for president.

Nithavela · Sep 25, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Only if he's the only pro-life candidate for president.

How many abortions have there been during Trumps presidency? How has he influenced this number?

Quid est Veritas? · Sep 25, 2019

Nithavela said:
How many abortions have there been during Trumps presidency? How has he influenced this number?

Actually, they are at record low levels in the US since legalisation.

Why are US abortion rates at a record low?

One of the theories is the increased legislation and more vocal Pro-Life lobby responding to the vehement attacks on Trump and Kavanaugh. Others argue they are just taking place clandestinely in the home, via medication. Who knows? Certainly it is more of an issue now than previously, in my opinion as an external observer of the US.

Nithavela · Sep 25, 2019

Quid est Veritas? said:
Actually, they are at record low levels in the US since legalisation.

Why are US abortion rates at a record low?

One of the theories is the increased legislation and more vocal Pro-Life lobby responding to the vehement attacks on Trump and Kavanaugh. Others argue they are just taking place clandestinely in the home, via medication. Who knows? Certainly it is more of an issue now than previously, in my opinion as an external observer of the US.

Yeah, I've seen the graphs. I've also seen that the number of abortions has been steadily declining since the mid-nineties. Can you point out any acceleration in the decrease of abortions during the Trump administration?

Albion · Sep 25, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Only if he's the only pro-life candidate for president.

Let's call that a "yes," then.

GACfan · Sep 25, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Only if he's the only pro-life candidate for president.

He isn't genuinely pro-life himself. He supports abortion.

Video: President Trump Says He Supports Abortion In Cases Of Rape, Incest

Statement: Trump: ‘I am For the Exceptions’ on Abortion: Rape, Incest, Life of the Mother'

Trump shifted from pro-choice to pro-life only as he planned a presidential run

Albion · Sep 25, 2019

GACfan said:
He isn't genuinely pro-life himself. In fact, he's pro-choice and he supports abortion.

Video: President Trump Says He Supports Abortion In Cases Of Rape, Incest

Statement: Trump: ‘I am For the Exceptions’ on Abortion: Rape, Incest, Life of the Mother'

There may be a point there, but working in several ways to substantially reduce the number of abortions is far better than the alternative. Also, it certainly is wrong to characterize the president as "pro-choice." Your own choice of links shows this to be so.

GACfan · Sep 25, 2019

Albion said:
There may be a point there, but working in several ways to substantially reduce the number of abortions is far better than the alternative. Also, it certainly is wrong to characterize the president as "pro-choice." Your own choice of links shows this to be so.

How would you define the term 'pro-choice'? Also, isn't a choice to abort an unborn child in cases of rape, incest, and risk of the mother's life? Anyway, Trump has flip flopped on the abortion issue. The following article also gives examples of his personal history on the issue of abortion as well.

Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days

I found more recent articles of him disagreeing with the recent anti-abortion laws.

Trump Disagrees With Recently Signed anti-Abortion Laws

Trump Thinks AL Abortion Ban Goes Too Far, Says Rape/Incest Should Be Exceptions

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Sep 25, 2019

Nithavela said:
How many abortions have there been during Trumps presidency? How has he influenced this number?

People are able to buy abortions pills over the internet. And the state's or government can't keep track of this. It seems like a waist of time to vote over abortions or Gay marriage. But our private sex business and uterus, is 100 percent some peoples business. Even when they get abortions.

Kristopher Kolumbus · Sep 25, 2019

Sparagmos said:
Did you previously vote for or support Trump, but have changed your mind about him? If so, what was it that changed your mind? Do you remember a moment when you decided you no longer supported him?

I’m disappointed with our president, and I would say yes, I am a former Trump supporter. Donald Trump secured the GOP nomination by promising to build a wall along the US-Mexican border. He hasn’t really delivered on his word. Many people, including myself, voted for Trump because America today is a much different place. It’s so different that I feel like a foreigner in my own country. These changes happened not just because of illegal immigration, but legal immigration as well. Our president has done absolutely nothing to limit and reduce legal immigration, which means our country is going to keep changing more and more, turning us into minorities in our own nation. Legal immigrants vote Democrat at a ratio of 2:1—which means the Republican Party will eventually be consigned to the dustbin of history and we’ll be permanently ruled by a one-party state. It’s in the GOP’s interest to stem the tide of legal immigration, but they won’t do it. Instead President Trump and other Republican politicians gleefully welcome our political and ethnic displacement. At one of the president’s rallies not too long ago, he said legal immigrants ought to come to America in the largest numbers ever, which again means the Republican Party won’t ever be able to win national elections in the future, since legal immigrants vote Democratic at a ratio of 2:1. Because Donald Trump won’t do anything to prevent white Americans from becoming a minority in our own country, and also because he is actively encouraging the political displacement of Republicans by advocating for larger numbers of legal immigrants (which will mean the end of the Republican Party and conservatism), I will not be voting for him in 2020.

Sparagmos · Sep 25, 2019

Kristopher Kolumbus said:
I’m disappointed with our president, and I would say yes, I am a former Trump supporter. Donald Trump secured the GOP nomination by promising to build a wall along the US-Mexican border. He hasn’t really delivered on his word. Many people, including myself, voted for Trump because America today is a much different place. It’s so different that I feel like a foreigner in my own country. These changes happened not just because of illegal immigration, but legal immigration as well. Our president has done absolutely nothing to limit and reduce legal immigration, which means our country is going to keep changing more and more, turning us into minorities in our own nation. Legal immigrants vote Democrat at a ratio of 2:1—which means the Republican Party will eventually be consigned to the dustbin of history and we’ll be permanently ruled by a one-party state. It’s in the GOP’s interest to stem the tide of legal immigration, but they won’t do it. Instead President Trump and other Republican politicians gleefully welcome our political and ethnic displacement. At one of the president’s rallies not too long ago, he said legal immigrants ought to come to America in the largest numbers ever, which again means the Republican Party won’t ever be able to win national elections in the future, since legal immigrants vote Democratic at a ratio of 2:1. Because Donald Trump won’t do anything to prevent white Americans from becoming a minority in our own country, and also because he is actively encouraging the political displacement of Republicans by advocating for larger numbers of legal immigrants (which will mean the end of the Republican Party and conservatism), I will not be voting for him in 2020.

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How do you figure it’s ethical to “prevent white Americans from becoming a minority?” Are you a white supremacist?

Sparagmos · Sep 25, 2019

Albion said:
There may be a point there, but working in several ways to substantially reduce the number of abortions is far better than the alternative. Also, it certainly is wrong to characterize the president as "pro-choice." Your own choice of links shows this to be so.

Then why not make birth control as accessible as possible, especially to teens and young adults?

KCfromNC · Sep 26, 2019

Kristopher Kolumbus said:
Legal immigrants vote Democrat at a ratio of 2:1—which means the Republican Party will eventually be consigned to the dustbin of history and we’ll be permanently ruled by a one-party state.

Or they could adapt and make their policies more appealing to a wider group of American voters.

Kristopher Kolumbus · Sep 26, 2019

KCfromNC said:
Or they could adapt and make their policies more appealing to a wider group of American voters.

George W. Bush tried to make the Republican Party more appealing to Hispanics by becoming a staunch supporter of Latino immigration, legal and illegal. He even tried to grant amnesty to an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, the majority of whom are Hispanic, and almost succeeded. And guess what? Only 40% of Hispanics voted for Bush. By comparison, Trump received 27% of the Hispanic vote, which is typical: other Republican politicians generally receive about 30% of the Latino vote.

Bush was so pro-Hispanic to the extent that he wanted to give amnesty to over 10 million illegals, but he still couldn’t win the majority of their votes. No politician has ever won a national election with 40% of the vote (here I’m obviously talking about all votes, not just the votes of one demographic).

The Republican Party has already tried to become more appealing to demographic groups that don’t vote for them too much, but still failed to attract the majority of their votes. If the GOP takes more liberal positions to appeal to other demographics of voters, they won’t succeed and will alienate their base. A more practical solution is to limit legal immigration.

GACfan · Sep 26, 2019

Sparagmos said:
How do you figure it’s ethical to “prevent white Americans from becoming a minority?” Are you a white supremacist?

It doesn't matter how hard some concerned white people try to prevent their race from becoming a minority because according to current demographic statistics, it's going to happen anyway. African-Americans, Latinos, and other racial minorities will make up more than half of the population in the United States by 2043, according to US Census projections. According to an online survey conducted last year (source below), 64% of Americans feel good about white people becoming a minority. The survey showed that the anxiety over whites becoming a minority is concentrated among Republicans.

Article excerpt: Survey: Most Americans feel good about white people becoming minority

The majority of Americans feel good about the US’s increasing diversity, according to an online survey conducted by the non-profit Public Religion Research Institute and The Atlantic in June. Only one third of people polled believe that losing a white majority will change the country for the worse.

Unsurprisingly, a bigger share of minorities feels positively about the projected demographic changes: eight out of 10 Hispanic and blacks said they find them positive. So do college-educated whites—about seven in 10. In contrast, nearly half of white Americans without a college degree say diversity will have a negative impact on the US, according to the survey results. [END OF EXCERPT]

It makes sense that the anxiety over whites become a minority is concentrated among Republicans because a recent study showed that fear of becoming minorities sustains white conservatism. And according to this study: Status threat, not economic hardship, explains the 2016 presidential vote.

Albion · Sep 26, 2019

GACfan said:
It doesn't matter how hard some concerned white people try to prevent their race from becoming a minority because according to current demographic statistics, it's going to happen anyway.

Sorta like Climate Change.

Veritas · Sep 26, 2019

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
People are able to buy abortions pills over the internet. And the state's or government can't keep track of this. It seems like a waist of time to vote over abortions or Gay marriage. But our private sex business and uterus, is 100 percent some peoples business. Even when they get abortions.

Trivializing the taking of innocent human life is terrible!

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