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Noxot · Sep 23, 2019

~Zao~ said:
Could we get that in biblical terms please ...

I prefer not to quench the spirit.

Noxot · Sep 24, 2019

I'm just speaking what I know. Paul did that as well as many other bible writers. Why God does this or that is because of many reasons and I doubt I can know them all. But in christ there is liberty.

Paidiske · Sep 24, 2019

Would it perhaps be fair to say that part of our sinful, fallen human condition is our inability to apprehend God's love for us? And therefore to seek to establish our lovability in other, human, external validation?

Noxot · Sep 24, 2019

Eros love is in my eyes part of God's kingdom. I can be psychopathic enough to discard the entire world but apparently God loves everyone and wants us to love others. I wish reality was as simple as God and I, that's what I really want, i think.

Dave-W · Sep 24, 2019

Invalidusername said:
What I disagree on you with is a very large point. I believe that God has NOT authorized women to teach or have authority in the church and you are teaching in the church from a position in authority. That is a large breech in any ability for us to reason together.

NOT the topic of this thread.

Unless you think that makes men as a whole angry.

Dave-W · Sep 24, 2019

dzheremi said:
Is CF a church?

A church? No.

Part of THE Church? Yes.

Dave-W · Sep 24, 2019

Invalidusername said:
Women can speak their opinion.

This is more of someone breaking a clear commandment of the Bible.

If someone was a Mormon and came to me to talk theology, I'm not going to listen to that person. Listening to a woman priest is similar to that. Women are not to be in authority in the church and they are not to teach in the church. Period.

So you are telling God that you will only hear HIM thru certain channels?

God does talk thru donkeys on occasion.

Paidiske · Sep 24, 2019

Dave-W said:
A church? No.

Part of THE Church? Yes.

Actually, I disagree. CF is a business. It exists to make its owner money. That people who are part of the church participate here, does not make the site itself an expression of church.

~Zao~ · Sep 24, 2019

Paidiske said:
Actually, I disagree. CF is a business. It exists to make its owner money. That people who are part of the church participate here, does not make the site itself an expression of church.

It does make it an expression of the body of members when Christians only are stipulated.

OldWiseGuy · Sep 24, 2019

~Zao~ said:
Pharisaic law is the reason, only understandable in the principle “Be still and know who is God”
Male made before female showing headship can only conclude that the animals created before male means what? Or is that translated differently somehow?
Adam is male and female. Eve was not named until after the fall. Mother of all living. The first Adam is replaced with Christ and the church. But evidently you think it means you and your wife.

More scripture on the subject.

1 Corinthians 11 King James Version (KJV)

1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

~Zao~ · Sep 24, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
More scripture on the subject.

1 Corinthians 11 King James Version (KJV)

1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

He was a follower of Christ, giving women as many jobs as the men to carry out, and actually telling others to respect their work.
Paul telling me that Christ is not my Head, I have to appoint a King over me is very poor interpretation indeed of the fact that there is no other mediator but Christ.
For the man is not of woman (strange, he’s born of woman, Eve, like everyone else. Oh I get it! They came from the along-side. old Adam-Eve. Christ-church.

I don’t want to play this game tho really I don’t.

Peace

OldWiseGuy · Sep 24, 2019

~Zao~ said:
He was a follower of Christ, giving women as many jobs as the men to carry out, and actually telling others to respect their work.
Paul telling me that Christ is not my Head, I have to appoint a King over me is very poor interpretation indeed of the fact that there is no other mediator but Christ.
For the man is not of woman (strange, he’s born of woman, Eve, like everyone else. Oh I get it! They came from the along-side. old Adam-Eve. Christ-church.

I don’t want to play this game tho really I don’t.

Peace

This is serious stuff, no game.

Invalidusername · Sep 24, 2019

Dave-W said:
So you are telling God that you will only hear HIM thru certain channels?

God does talk thru donkeys on occasion.

God has ordained it that men are the leaders and the teachers of the church.

If you don't like it then complain to God about it. Not me.

You're literally fighting against God and not against me.

~Zao~ · Sep 24, 2019

Invalidusername · Sep 24, 2019

Dave-W said:
NOT the topic of this thread.

Unless you think that makes men as a whole angry.

I was addressing her and if you had seen the context of the conversation you would've known why I said it.

I already addressed why men are getting angry. They are being forced to be feminine and to tone down their "toxic" masculinity. Men are not allowed to be men anymore.

~Zao~ · Sep 24, 2019

Invalidusername said:
God has ordained it that men are the leaders and the teachers of the church.

If you don't like it then complain to God about it. Not me.

You're literally fighting against God and not against me.

God did not ordain that. That is the legal comparison Paul was making of the law of Esther that all man should be rulers of the house. God ordained this.
1 PETER 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

And now you can proceed to tell us how man does not mean mankind.

Dave-W · Sep 24, 2019

Noxot said:
Men dont like to be challenged by women. It makes them feel... Disenfranchised and it makes them mad.

IMO that is entirely cultural. It is never a good idea to take culture and make it doctrine.

Invalidusername · Sep 24, 2019

~Zao~ said:
God did not ordain that. God ordained this.
1 PETER 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

And now you can proceed to tell us how man does not mean mankind.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Dave-W · Sep 24, 2019

Invalidusername said:
I already addressed why men are getting angry. They are being forced to be feminine and to tone down their "toxic" masculinity. Men are not allowed to be men anymore.

If "man" is defined by being toxic in his masculinity, then perhaps not being "allowed to be men anymore" according to that definition is a good thing.

Find another way to be a man.

Dave-W · Sep 24, 2019

Invalidusername said:
1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Take it to another thread and stop hijacking this one.

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