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He is the way · Sep 24, 2019

dzheremi said:
Regarding 'Heavenly Mother' and how she is not worshiped and/or how only the Father is worshiped in Mormonism even though Heavenly Mother is also god in Mormonism: what is the point of having these 'other gods' who are not to be worshiped?

God the Father is the Father and creator. He formed the heavens and the earth. That is why we worship and obey Him. Jesus said:

(New Testament | John 4:23)

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

We also have these scriptures:

(New Testament | Romans 15:5 - 6)

5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(Old Testament | Exodus 34:14)

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

This should explain why we do not worship our heavenly Mother. Jesus also let us know that God the Father is His God.:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus also said:

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Rescued One · Sep 24, 2019

He is the way said:
God the Father is the Father and creator. He formed the heavens and the earth. That is why we worship and obey Him. Jesus said:

(New Testament | John 4:23)

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

We also have these scriptures:

(New Testament | Romans 15:5 - 6)

5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(Old Testament | Exodus 34:14)

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

This should explain why we do not worship our heavenly Mother. Jesus also let us know that God the Father is His God.:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus also said:

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Mormonism teaches that Nephites and many others worshiped Jesus.

He is the way · Sep 24, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Mormonism teaches that Nephites and many others worshiped Jesus.

The Bible also teaches that Jesus was worshiped.

mmksparbud · Sep 24, 2019

He is the way said:
The Bible also teaches that Jesus was worshiped.

Is that by name? Weren't the Nephites before the incarnation?

Peter1000 · Sep 24, 2019

BigDaddy4 said:
You keep saying you don't have much information about her, yet that hasn't stopped your leaders from discussing her or your church singing a hymn about her.

You are right, we do talk of her, but there is no detail of substance. People do speculate at times, but we take very little interest in speculation.

The hymn you are referring to is about our Father in Heaven, but in the last verse it does mention that there is a Heavenly Mother. So the hymn is not about her, but does mention that she exits.

So again, we do not speak much about her, but we know our Heavenly Mother does exist. That is all that Jesus wants us to know about her at this time.

Peter1000 · Sep 24, 2019

twin.spin said:
You honestly want people to believe that post #1190 wasn't trying to substantiate the larger point of Mormonism? … not buying it Peter.

The issue isn't whether I believe Galatians 6:2 as it is written in the holy bible is true ... the issue is with Mormonism's twisting of the Holy Bible to validate what isn't namely all things Mormonism.

In post 1190 I quoted 1 scripture (Galatians 6:2). You told me I twisted it. I quoted it as support for our effort to be engaged in the work of the Lord. So if I am using this scripture to support my willingness to live the Law of Christ, how is that twisting the scripture?

I will ask you again, do you believe and live the Law of Christ as written in the bible in Galatians 6:2?

Peter1000 · Sep 24, 2019

dzheremi said:
Regarding 'Heavenly Mother' and how she is not worshiped and/or how only the Father is worshiped in Mormonism even though Heavenly Mother is also god in Mormonism: what is the point of having these 'other gods' who are not to be worshiped?

Just a question: If we were praying to Heavenly Mother, is that worshiping her?

He is the way · Sep 24, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Is that by name? Weren't the Nephites before the incarnation?

See post #1184. As for the Nephites they were visited by Jesus:

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 17:9 - 10)

9 And it came to pass that when he had thus spoken, all the multitude, with one accord, did go forth with their sick and their afflicted, and their lame, and with their blind, and with their dumb, and with all them that were afflicted in any manner; and he did heal them every one as they were brought forth unto him.
10 And they did all, both they who had been healed and they who were whole, bow down at his feet, and did worship him; and as many as could come for the multitude did kiss his feet, insomuch that they did bathe his feet with their tears.

mmksparbud · Sep 24, 2019

He is the way said:
See post #1184. As for the Nephites they were visited by Jesus:

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 17:9 - 10)

9 And it came to pass that when he had thus spoken, all the multitude, with one accord, did go forth with their sick and their afflicted, and their lame, and with their blind, and with their dumb, and with all them that were afflicted in any manner; and he did heal them every one as they were brought forth unto him.
10 And they did all, both they who had been healed and they who were whole, bow down at his feet, and did worship him; and as many as could come for the multitude did kiss his feet, insomuch that they did bathe his feet with their tears.

Is this before or after the incarnation???!

He is the way · Sep 24, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Is this before or after the incarnation???!

After.

Peter1000 · Sep 24, 2019

dzheremi said:
You cannot answer what the point is in having unworshiped gods just sort of hanging around, then? Because that was my question. Not "Why don't you worship her?", but rather "Why do you have these gods around who you do not worship?" I don't really see the point. In the Bible or the hymns of the traditional churches, to the extent that the gods of other peoples are mentioned, it is to make clear that they are not God at all, as there is only one God and He is high above all idols made by human hands. Thus for instance in the midnight praises of the Coptic tradition there is a section that says "Who is likened unto You, O Lord among the gods, You are the true God, the performer of miracles." This hearkens back to the mode of the OT, in which there were the gods of the nations (false gods; demons, as St. Paul calls them in the already referenced passage in 1 Corinthians) and the God of Israel (the true God). We did not mix them together, leaving some around to be recognized as gods while claiming to worship only one God, as Mormons here have shown us that they do. So it seems very strange, and I don't understand the point. If she is God (god?), but you do not worship her, then what is the point? How is she any different or any greater than any woman? How exactly is she god? What is the point of recognizing her as such if you do not properly worship her as you do her husband, your god the father figure?

It is one thing to say "We don't have the answers to these questions", but just as a matter of having a consistent theology you should at least be able to say a more general statement about the Mormon pantheon (so maybe not her in particular, but something about the gods that explain how it is that they are recognized and treated as gods in Mormonism), as I assume she is not the only 'other' god in it, given what I've been told by Mormons about the council of the gods that presumably met in the preexistence. Are they all just waiting around too, for more to be revealed about them so that you can someday worship them?

This whole thing is so strange. Polytheism and henotheism are both inherently dysfunctional in this way.

Your assumption that there are gods waiting around to be revealed so we can worship them too is absurd, and you never heard that from us.

We worship the same Godhead that you worship. Though there be other gods whether in heaven or in earth (as we know there be gods many, and lords many) we only worship the 1 true God.

As you can see, Paul was a henotheist. He knows there are other gods, but worships the only 1 true God, just like us. (1Corinthians 8:5-6) We know this because of the interesting verbiage that Paul uses in this scripture. He starts out by saying:
"For though there be "that are called gods", which would tend to make us think he is talking about idols, but then comes back in the same sentence and puts in parenthesis
(as to give it an emphasis), "as there be gods many, and lords many". This is a statement that tells us Paul believes there are real gods many and lords many, because he certainly would not be giving any idol an elevation at all to being real gods or real lords.

So to us Paul is saying what we believe. His total thought is that although there be gods many and lords many, to us there is but one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ whom we worship. (Henotheistic - acknowledging that there are gods many and lords many, but worshiping only the 1 God).

mmksparbud · Sep 24, 2019

He is the way said:
After.

When Jesus returns to this earth--it is for claiming all His followers.

Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Jesus made it plain---do not believe anyone who says He has appeared anywhere! When He comes back to this earth---it will be with all His angels and:

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The Nephite story is a total lie. If it happened at all, it was a deception as Jesus predicted. Further proof JS is not of God.

Peter1000 · Sep 24, 2019

mmksparbud said:
When Jesus returns to this earth--it is for claiming all His followers.

Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Jesus made it plain---do not believe anyone who says He has appeared anywhere! When He comes back to this earth---it will be with all His angels and:

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The Nephite story is a total lie. If it happened at all, it was a deception as Jesus predicted. Further proof JS is not of God.

Did Paul and John see Jesus or were they deceived by satan who appeared to them as an angel of light and gave them 3/4 of the bible? Remember Jesus appeared to both of them after his ascension into heaven. If what you say is good for the goose, I guess it is good for the gander also. Careful what you say.

Since Paul and John were supposed to have had private interviews with Jesus, you are telling me that they were deceived because per the scriptures: when he came again, every eye shall see him and they also which pierced him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
I do not think this happened when Paul and John had their private interviews with Jesus.
So start ripping out what Paul and John said in the bible because it, according to you was full of satanic deception.

Do you want to think again about this? Because if the Nephite account is a pure lie, then according to your logic, then Paul and Johns accounts are lies too. I don't think you want to go there.

mmksparbud · Sep 24, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Did Paul and John see Jesus or were they deceived by satan who appeared to them as an angel of light and gave them 3/4 of the bible? Remember Jesus appeared to both of them after his ascension into heaven. If what you say is good for the goose, I guess it is good for the gander also. Careful what you say.

Since Paul and John were supposed to have had private interviews with Jesus, you are telling me that they were deceived because per the scriptures: when he came again, every eye shall see him and they also which pierced him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
I do not think this happened when Paul and John had their private interviews with Jesus.
So start ripping out what Paul and John said in the bible because it, according to you was full of satanic deception.

Do you want to think again about this? Because if the Nephite account is a pure lie, then according to your logic, then Paul and Johns accounts are lies too. I don't think you want to go there.

These were VISIONS!!---it is not Jesus actually on this planet having people kissing His feet---never happened. The words of Jesus found in the bible teaching against such a thing stand true.

twin.spin · Sep 24, 2019

Peter1000 said:
In post 1190 I quoted 1 scripture (Galatians 6:2). You told me I twisted it. I quoted it as support for our effort to be engaged in the work of the Lord. So if I am using this scripture to support my willingness to live the Law of Christ, how is that twisting the scripture?

I will ask you again, do you believe and live the Law of Christ as written in the bible in Galatians 6:2?

You answered your own question of how:

"I quoted it as support for our effort to be engaged in the work of the Lord."

and being that we know what Mormonism creeds as to works \ ordinances \ self righteousness etc. … with that as a premise … Galatians 6:2 is being twisted.

He is the way · Sep 24, 2019

mmksparbud said:
When Jesus returns to this earth--it is for claiming all His followers.

Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Jesus made it plain---do not believe anyone who says He has appeared anywhere! When He comes back to this earth---it will be with all His angels and:

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The Nephite story is a total lie. If it happened at all, it was a deception as Jesus predicted. Further proof JS is not of God.

Jesus did return after His resurrection and appeared to the apostles several times. It is all in the Bible. He is still with us:

(New Testament | Matthew 18:20)

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

He also appeared to the people in the Americas as promised, but this did not constitute the second coming when He will return in power.:

(New Testament | John 10:16)

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

He kept that promise.

mmksparbud · Sep 24, 2019

He is the way said:
Jesus did return after His resurrection and appeared to the apostles several times. It is all in the Bible. He is still with us:

(New Testament | Matthew 18:20)

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

He also appeared to the people in the Americas as promised, but this did not constitute the second coming when He will return in power.:

(New Testament | John 10:16)

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

He kept that promise.

He appeared to the apostles and many others after His resurrection, not after His ascension. After that it was ONLY through visions. He is with us spiritually through the Holy Spirit---He has not and will not step foot on this sinful planet until He comes back for us. That is why He said not to go where people say He is---for He will not be there. His appearance to the Nephites was either a totally made up story by JS, or a deception of Satan. Jesus does not lie, His word says:
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

It is just more proof that JS is a false prophet. You have fallen for a lie, read the bible, it tells the truth.

He is the way · Sep 25, 2019

mmksparbud said:
He appeared to the apostles and many others after His resurrection, not after His ascension. After that it was ONLY through visions. He is with us spiritually through the Holy Spirit---He has not and will not step foot on this sinful planet until He comes back for us. That is why He said not to go where people say He is---for He will not be there. His appearance to the Nephites was either a totally made up story by JS, or a deception of Satan. Jesus does not lie, His word says:
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

It is just more proof that JS is a false prophet. You have fallen for a lie, read the bible, it tells the truth.

When did I say that Jesus appeared to the Nephites after His ascension?

Peter1000 · Sep 25, 2019

mmksparbud said:
These were VISIONS!!---it is not Jesus actually on this planet having people kissing His feet---never happened. The words of Jesus found in the bible teaching against such a thing stand true.

Is a 'vision' not real? Was it just a vision and Jesus projected himself X miles (from where he is sitting on the right hand of God in heaven) to earth and knock Paul to the ground and blind him and talk to him, long after his ascension?

Or, did Jesus actually visit the earth and actually appear to Paul in person? I go with Jesus 'appeared' to Paul, rather than Paul having some kind of a midnight sleepy vision, where he thought he saw Jesus. John and Stephen had real experiences too. And BTW so did the Nephites. That is why there is such a long standing legend of a white bearded god that came to their people and taught them how to live with each other and then left and promised to return again.

Answer that one and then we can talk about John and Stephen and their experiences seeing the Lord Jesus Christ.

Peter1000 · Sep 25, 2019

twin.spin said:
You answered your own question of how:

"I quoted it as support for our effort to be engaged in the work of the Lord."

and being that we know what Mormonism creeds as to works \ ordinances \ self righteousness etc. … with that as a premise … Galatians 6:2 is being twisted.

OK, so you think I twisted Galations 6:2. Do you believe in living the law of Christ as detailed in Galations 6:2?

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