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bekkilyn

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Once the discussion turns to abortion, I'm not sure it's worth pursuing other matters.

I tend to be a "red letter" Christian, one who prioritizes Jesus' teaching. I think he agrees that you don't have to do anything to get God to love you. He also teaches that there are consequences for evil. But I think that's different than what many Christians teach, which is that by default everyone is doomed, and they have to get "saved" to avoid hell.

Further pursuit of this topic should be in a separate thread.

If the reason to become a Christian is in order to avoid hell, I wouldn't be a Christian. The reason I became a Christian is because I just happen to like Jesus an awful lot and want to be spend time with him in person. He's the only one in all of existence who has never let me down and never will.
 
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See, you can go on all day about how abortion is immoral and probably even get a lot of Democrats to agree with you, but if you want to make it illegal you've got some homework to do. So far I haven't seen it.
No different from any other crime. I’ve explained this. We don’t stop prosecuting crimes if some cannot be prosecuted due to a lack of evidence. Crimes are committed every day without law enforcement knowing. Some crimes don’t have witnesses. So I guess if someone is mugged on the street and no one else saw it and the victim does not report it, we should not have laws against theft and assault.
 
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That’s the problem of faith. My son can see every time I cuddle him, praise him pick him up she falls or cries- he does not need to have faith because it’s obvious by my observable actions.

This is why I don’t understand when people use the word father along side ‘God’. I don’t require anything from my son to receive my love and I certainly don’t imply he will be punished if he does not love me.
I think there are some holes in your understanding of The Story.

 
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I think it is especially unsettling when a total stranger on the street pronounces you as someone who is a sinner and that you need 'saving'. It is my opinion that the religion has become unhitched from the Bible and is running on 'tradition' instead of being anchored by the teachings of Jesus and the observations of Paul as to what Jesus' death and resurrection truly means.
You mean it’s not about. Christ crucified and risen?
 
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Yes, but conservative authoritarianism and wealth-glorification in Jesus' name is much more grandiose and interesting!
Or maybe just the plain ole Gospel of Christ crucified and risen. There is that in the Bible.
 
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Once the discussion turns to abortion, I'm not sure it's worth pursuing other matters.

I tend to be a "red letter" Christian, one who prioritizes Jesus' teaching. I think he agrees that you don't have to do anything to get God to love you. He also teaches that there are consequences for evil. But I think that's different than what many Christians teach, which is that by default everyone is doomed, and they have to get "saved" to avoid hell.

Further pursuit of this topic should be in a separate thread.
Hedrick let’s not sugar coat it. Jesus was quite clear on judgment. He talked about Hell more than any other in the Bible. He also was clear on what the human heart produced.

Mark 7: NASB


14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”]

17When he had left the crowd andentered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.21“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,22deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23“All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”
 
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This is why I don’t understand when people use the word father along side ‘God’. I don’t require anything from my son to receive my love and I certainly don’t imply he will be punished if he does not love me.

If you tell your son to not play in traffic or he will 'surely' die; did you just imply he will be punished if he doesn't love you? No you didn't. You instructed him on how he should live.
 
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I was in high school when roe vs Wade passed . First thing I thought , no more coat hanger abortions . Making abortions illegal won’t stop women from having them . The reason they were made illegal in the first place was because male doctors mainly wanted to shut down midwifery .
So Roe vs Wade allowed for a more efficient way to kill humans in the womb?
 
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No different from any other crime. I’ve explained this. We don’t stop prosecuting crimes if some cannot be prosecuted due to a lack of evidence. Crimes are committed every day without law enforcement knowing. Some crimes don’t have witnesses. So I guess if someone is mugged on the street and no one else saw it and the victim does not report it, we should not have laws against theft and assault.
Are you just being purposely obtuse, or do you really not understand my point? I'm talking about crimes that are being prosecuted, or will be, if abortion is criminalized.
 
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Even the devils believe.
They believe in the historical events. They are incapable of receiving the regeneration and indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Gospel is not for fallen angels.
 
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Are you just being purposely obtuse, or do you really not understand my point? I'm talking about crimes that are being prosecuted, or will be, if abortion is criminalized.
I’m being up front calling your hand. Your point has been it is too hard to enforce restrictions on abortion because authorities just will not have the capability to enforce the law.

Authorities fail to witness, provide evidence and by extension prosecute violent crimes each day.
 
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If the reason to become a Christian is in order to avoid hell, I wouldn't be a Christian. The reason I became a Christian is because I just happen to like Jesus an awful lot and want to be spend time with him in person. He's the only one in all of existence who has never let me down and never will.
“Jesus as my life coach” is encouraging but ignoring the complete Story:

 
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Hedrick let’s not sugar coat it. Jesus was quite clear on judgment. He talked about Hell more than any other in the Bible. He also was clear on what the human heart produced.
I said Jesus taught that there were consequences for doing evil, but not the people were by default damned. It was the latter that Lanviec objected to.

Mark 7 doesn't say that everyone is evil, just the evil actions come from evil intentions, a major theme in his teaching.

On Hell, as you know, that subject isn't permitted here.
 
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I’m being up front calling your hand. Your point has been it is too hard to enforce restrictions on abortion because authorities just will not have the capability to enforce the law.
In other words you are being purposefully obtuse. You're trying too hard and way too obviously to misinterpret what I am telling you as trying to find an excuse not to criminalize abortion.

Authorities fail to witness, provide evidence and by extension prosecute violent crimes each day.
But when they do bring these crimes to justice they have laws, procedures and prosecutorial standards which are now absent with respect to giving the unborn full status as human beings and which the pro-life movement apparently has no intention of providing them.
 
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On Hell, as you know, that subject isn't permitted here.

This is a Christian forum isn't it? People want to discuss christianity, the right and their influence in politics, but we are supposed to edit what we talk about... go on ahead, do as you wish. I know I will be.
 
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They believe in the historical events. They are incapable of receiving the regeneration and indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Gospel is not for fallen angels.

And this has to do with the "gospel" of conservative authoritarianism and wealth-glorification how? When humans are putting out the same rotten fruit as devils, there really isn't much difference in the result.
 
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