LDS David and Solomon

Phoebe Ann said:

Mormon temples don't teach a higher level of Christian living. It's deception.

The Bible teaches God's people everything they need to know.

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No, the bible clearly teaches that the higher level of the "Meat" of the gospel was not taught, because the people would not accept it. They were obviously having major trouble just living the "Milk" of the gospel (1 Corinthians 3:2).

Not long after Paul told us this in Corinth, he tells his son in the gospel, Timothy that all Asia has turned away from him. And if they turned away from Paul, they turned away from Christ, and the apostasy was beginning to happen. The apostasy started so quickly that the apostles were not able to teach the higher levels of Christian living, which the bible calls the "Meat" of the gospel.

Peter1000 said:

No, the bible clearly teaches that the higher level of the "Meat" of the gospel was not taught, because the people would not accept it. They were obviously having major trouble just living the "Milk" of the gospel (1 Corinthians 3:2).

Not long after Paul told us this in Corinth, he tells his son in the gospel, Timothy that all Asia has turned away from him. And if they turned away from Paul, they turned away from Christ, and the apostasy was beginning to happen. The apostasy started so quickly that the apostles were not able to teach the higher levels of Christian living, which the bible calls the "Meat" of the gospel.

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Are you saying that Timothy was Paul's son?

Peter1000 said:

Jesus's fellows are not his human contemporaries, they are his spirit brothers, since this anointing was done before the incarnation of Christ onto this earth.

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No. it is after the incarnation.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Phoebe Ann said:

The Bible wasn't complete at that time. Joseph Smith's lies are not from God, and Mormons' ideas about what is meat are hogwash. Mormonism has no milk let alone meat. You do not have a higher level of Christian living. The Bible does not call Mormonism the "Meat" of the Gospel.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

False prophets are accursed.

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Those who LOVE Jesus Christ keep the commandments. Those who don't LOVE Jesus Christ do not keep the commandments. That is what Jesus Christ said. The Bible also states:

(New Testament | 1 John 5:1 - 9)

1 WHOSOEVER believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

Phoebe Ann said:

The Bible wasn't complete at that time. Joseph Smith's lies are not from God, and Mormons' ideas about what is meat are hogwash. Mormonism has no milk let alone meat. You do not have a higher level of Christian living. The Bible does not call Mormonism the "Meat" of the Gospel.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

False prophets are accursed.

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Paul's letter to the Corinthians was in existence in the first century. The first century Corinthians knew what Paul said to them. JS told no lies about Paul's words to the Corinthians, that was the bible that said that.

Because the apostles could not give the meat of the gospel to their congregations, you can not tell me anything about the meat as to whether JS's ideas about what is meat are hogwash or true. You never got the meat, so don't be trying to tell us that JS lied about the meat.

Those who get worthy to go to the temple and take upon them the name of Christ in a higher commitment, do live a higher life in Christ. We do not boast of this, but if you saw my basic religious week, you would say that it was much different than yours. For instance, we have no ministers that gets paid to make up a talk about Jesus for Sunday. All of us in the congregation get a chance to make up talks about a religious topic, centered upon Jesus Christ.

If I told you what we do in a week, you would just tell me I am boasting or obsessing about myself so I will not tell you, only that lots of times when new members from say a Protestant denomination comes into the church, they have to make a major adjustment to their lives, because they were pretty much taken care of by their paid ministry. They just went to church 2-3 times a month and sat through a sermon and then had coffee and went home. Maybe a tuesday night bible study once every 4 weeks or so. Once in a while they would go to a church bazaar and buy a pie for $10 and gives a few dollars each week into the plate, and that is their religious life.

It is much different in the Church of Jesus Christ, and some converts from regular Christianity don't want to be that engaged in the work of the Lord. They don't want to live a higher commitment to Jesus, just like the Corinthians of old.

Phoebe Ann said:

D&C 9
8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.

I said, he said, I said, he said...."You never got the meat." Could we expect you to agree with us?

I prayed about the path I should take after tithing, attending, and obeying in your organization for years.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

James 1
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

The true God brought me out of Mormonism to Christ. I have reason to praise Him forever!

The Bible teaches us to obey God's will instead of directing us to read manuals written by your church.



You are judging Christians without knowing who was or wasn't one when they were baptized into your organization. You are wearing blinders.

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Those who LOVE God and keep the commandments of LOVE know that it is not an easy thing to do. However it is possible.:

(New Testament | 1 John 5:3)

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Phoebe Ann said:

Christians are just as loving or more so than Mormons. Your organization is not supportive of families by determing who is worthy and who isn't. There is a definite caste system. It isn't Christlike. Christians at least love and worship the true God and don't practice deception in an effort to gain converts.

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Those who LOVE Jesus Christ keep His commandments:

(New Testament | John 14:15 - 24)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Phoebe Ann said:

D&C 9
8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.

I said, he said, I said, he said...."You never got the meat." Could we expect you to agree with us?

I prayed about the path I should take after tithing, attending, and obeying in your organization for years.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

James 1
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

The true God brought me out of Mormonism to Christ. I have reason to praise Him forever!

The Bible teaches us to obey God's will instead of directing us to read manuals written by your church.



You are judging Christians without knowing who was or wasn't one when they were baptized into your organization. You are wearing blinders.

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I am not wearing blinders. It is just an observation that I have noticed over the years when general Christians join a vibrant, service oriented church like ours.

Peter1000 said:

I am not wearing blinders. It is just an observation that I have noticed over the years when general Christians join a vibrant, service oriented church like ours.

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You call praying for the dead vibrant?

Phoebe Ann said:

Mormons don't pray for the dead. They do proxy work for the dead.

"In order to return to our Heavenly Father and live forever with our families, we must be baptized and confirmed, receive the ordinances of the temple, and be sealed together forever as families...

"Many of our ancestors in the spirit world who have accepted the gospel are anxious to receive their temple ordinances. We should perform their work as soon as we identify them. If you need help, your ward or branch family history consultant can help find out if your ancestor’s work has already been performed."
Serving Your Ancestors in the Temple

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Thanks, it is a little different---baptisms for the dead. OK---that certainly doesn't qualify them more as a "vibrant" church! Is it a one to one concept or can it be done more "wholesale" fashion, a rather "cheaper by the dozen" concept?

mmksparbud said:

Thanks, it is a little different---baptisms for the dead. OK---that certainly doesn't qualify them more as a "vibrant" church! Is it a one to one concept or can it be done more "wholesale" fashion, a rather "cheaper by the dozen" concept?

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Baptism for the dead is done one person at a time.
FHE Lesson on Temples – Baptisms for the Dead - LDS Daily

He is the way said:

Baptism for the dead is done one person at a time.
FHE Lesson on Temples – Baptisms for the Dead - LDS Daily

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One, or by the dozen, it gets you nowhere and is a dead, useless ceremony for baptism is for the living, He is not the God of the dead---and the baptism of Jesus covers those who have never had an opportunity to be baptized. His blood covers our sins, His baptism covers those who did not receive it. Jesus is all we need for our entry into the presence of God, not useless ceremonies. Baptism is to be done whenever possible, when it isn't, Jesus covers it.

Phoebe Ann said:

There has to be accurate information for each individual. That's why we spent hours doing genealogical research. My husband and I traveled to different states, too, talking to the older relatives and visiting cemeteries. The baptisms and other ordinances are done one at a time.

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Not needed.
All for nothing.

mmksparbud said:

One, or by the dozen, it gets you nowhere and is a dead, useless ceremony for baptism is for the living, He is not the God of the dead---and the baptism of Jesus covers those who have never had an opportunity to be baptized. His blood covers our sins, His baptism covers those who did not receive it. Jesus is all we need for our entry into the presence of God, not useless ceremonies. Baptism is to be done whenever possible, when it isn't, Jesus covers it.

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He is not the God of the dead because the dead are still living in the spirit world.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?