Matt 24:22 ...70AD JERUSALEM... THOSE DAYS SHORTENED FOR CHOSEN/ELECT'S SAKE ...."

What time period is Matt 24:22 referring to?

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LittleLambofJesus

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mkgal1 said:
Isaiah 37:32, "For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a REMNANT, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this."
Romans 9:27-29, "Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED. For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the LORD will make a short work upon the earth.” And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the LORD of Sabaoth had left us a seed [REMNANT], We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”
A member posted the above and what caught my interest was both "both they that escape" and thought perhaps it can be expounded upon.
Could this be talking about the siege of 70ad Jerusalem?

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

2856. koloboo from a derivative of the base of 2849;
to dock, i.e. (figuratively) abridge:--shorten.
G2856 κολοβόω (koloboō),occurs 4 times in 2 verses

1588. eklektos ek-lek-tos' from 1586;
select; by implication, favorite:--chosen, elect.
G1588 ἐκλεκτός (eklektos) occurs 24 times in 23 verses

Matthew 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

Matthew 24:22
And if those days not shortened<2856>, not ever was saved all flesh.
yet because of the chosen<1588>, shall those days be being shortened.
Mark 13:20
and if Lord not shorten the days, not ever was saved all flesh,
but because of the chosen, whom He chooses, He shortens the days.

1Pe 2:9
But you are a chosen<1588> generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

1 time in Revelation:

Rev 17:14
“These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings;
and those who are with Him are called, chosen<1588>, and faithful.”
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Matthew 24:22 Commentaries: "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 22. - Except these days should be shortened (ἐκολοβώθησαν, had been shortened). In the midst of wrath God thinks on mercy. He providentially ordained that the days of vengeance should not be indefinitely prolonged; the siege was practically of short duration, the country was not wholly overrun and desolated (comp. 2 Kings 13:23).

The natural causes that combined to produce this shortening of the siege have been recounted by commentators. These were - the divided counsels of the Jews themselves, the voluntary surrender of parts of the fortifications, the fierce factions in the city, the destruction of magazines of provisions by calamitous fire, the suddenness of the arrival of Titus, and the fact that the walls had never been strengthened, as Herod Agrippa had intended.
There should no flesh be saved; i.e. the whole Jewish nation would have been annihilated. For the elect's sake.

At the intercession of the escaped Christians, who offered up unceasing prayer for their brethren and countrymen, God lessened the duration of the calamities. "The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working" (James 5:16). Ten righteous would have saved Sodom; Lot's intercession did preserve Zoar (comp. Isaiah 6:13; Jeremiah 5:1; Acts 27:24). Some, not so suitably, explain "the elect" to be those Jews who should hereafter turn to the Lord; or the elect seed, "beloved for the fathers' sake" (Romans 11:28).

We may well believe that the local tribulations, such as are intimated by Daniel and Christ, and their limitation in time, are a picture of what shall happen in the last days, the intermediate fulfilment being the prelude of the final accomplishment.
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Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Except those days should be shortened - If the calamities of the siege should be lengthened out. If famine and war should be suffered to rage.
No flesh be saved - None of the nation would be preserved alive. All the inhabitants of Judea would perish. The war, famine, and pestilence would entirely destroy them.

But for the elect's sake - The "elect" here doubtless means "Christians." See 1 Peter 1:2; Romans 1:7; Ephesians 1:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:4. The word "elect" means "to choose." It is given to Christians because they are "chosen to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth," 1 Peter 1:2.

It is probable that in Jerusalem and the adjacent parts of Judea there were many who were true followers of Christ.
On their account - to preserve them alive, and to make them the instruments of spreading the gospel Jesus said that those days should not be lengthened out so as to produce their destruction.

It is related by Josephus (Jewish Wars, b. 1 chapter 12, section 1) that Titus at first resolved to reduce the city by famine. He therefore built a wall around it to keep any provisions from being carried in, and any of the people from going out. The Jews, however, drew up their army near the walls, engaged in battle, and the Romans pursued them, provoked by their attempts, and broke into the city. The affairs of Rome, also, at that time demanded the presence of Titus there; and, contrary to his original intention he pressed the siege and took the city by storm, thus "shortening" the time that would have been occupied in reducing it by famine. This was for the benefit of the "elect." So the designs of wicked people, intended by them for the destruction of the people of God, are intended by God for the good of his chosen people. See the notes at Isaiah 10:7.
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Daniel 12:1 and Luke 21:23-36

Daniel 12:1
"And in that time/season Michael shall stand-up, the great chief prince, the one standing over sons of thy people.
And becomes a time of distress<06869>, which not occurred since to become of a nation until that time. And in that time, thy people escape<4422>, everyone being found written in the scroll. [Luke 21:23-36]
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:22
And if those days not shortened<2856>
, not ever was saved all flesh.
yet because of the chosen, shall those days be being shortened.

The word "TRIBULATION" does not occur in Luke's Gospel.
Has anyone noticed that?

Luke 21:23

“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.

36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching in every season, beseeching that ye should be being strong to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about to be becoming, and to stand before the Son of the Man.

1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.
And they shall not escape<1628>.
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According to Josephus, those days were shortened for 70AD Jerusalem....

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted
*snip*

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers...........

..............This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A.D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Titus exclaimed this concerning God aiding his army:

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a survey of the city and its fortifications and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF.
"Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?" After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations,............................
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Same amount of time the flood covered the earth:

Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

Daniel also mentions a "flood" concerning the flood of the Roman army against1st century Jerusalem.........

Daniel 9:26
“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 11:22
With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken,
and also the prince of the covenant.


Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com,

THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR
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Revelation 9: Tormented 5 MONTHS and death fleeing 70ad

Same amount of time shown in Revelation concerning 1st century Jerusalem:

Revelation 9:5
And was given to them that not they should be killing them, but that they should be being tormented five months
And the torment of them as torment of a scorpion<4651>, whenever it should be striking a man;
 
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Some more verses...........

John 11:

47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered a council and said "what shall we do? For this Man works many signs.
48 If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him.
And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away of Us and the Place and the Nation"
49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all,
50 "nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one Man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish."
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Pulpit Commentary
Verse 22. - Except these days should be shortened (ἐκολοβώθησαν, had been shortened). In the midst of wrath God thinks on mercy. He providentially ordained that the days of vengeance should not be indefinitely prolonged; the siege was practically of short duration, the country was not wholly overrun and desolated (comp. 2 Kings 13:23).

The natural causes that combined to produce this shortening of the siege have been recounted by commentators. These were - the divided counsels of the Jews themselves, the voluntary surrender of parts of the fortifications, the fierce factions in the city, the destruction of magazines of provisions by calamitous fire, the suddenness of the arrival of Titus, and the fact that the walls had never been strengthened, as Herod Agrippa had intended.
There should no flesh be saved; i.e. the whole Jewish nation would have been annihilated. For the elect's sake.

At the intercession of the escaped Christians, who offered up unceasing prayer for their brethren and countrymen, God lessened the duration of the calamities. "The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working" (James 5:16). Ten righteous would have saved Sodom; Lot's intercession did preserve Zoar (comp. Isaiah 6:13; Jeremiah 5:1; Acts 27:24). Some, not so suitably, explain "the elect" to be those Jews who should hereafter turn to the Lord; or the elect seed, "beloved for the fathers' sake" (Romans 11:28).
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Jer 5:1

“Run to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem;
See now and know; And seek in her open places
If you can find a man,
If there is anyone who executes judgment,
Who seeks the truth
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And I will pardon her.

Jer 7:17

“Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?


Jer 7:34

“Then I will cause to cease from the cities of Judah and from the streets of Jerusalem the voice of mirth and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride.
For the land shall be desolate.
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The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18:
19 and they cast dust upon their heads and cried, lamenting, weeping and mourning, saying,
"Woe! woe! the great City! in which are rich all those having ships<4143> in the sea, out of Her preciousness,
for to one hour was She was desolated<2049>.
23
The light of a lamp will never shine in Thee again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in Thee again.
Your merchants were the world's important people. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
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The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70


 
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