Will an Antichrist Resurrect from the Dead?? Rev 13:3

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Dale, I don't think a country would fit Revelation 17:8b.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

That phrasing is similar to what is said about Jesus in Revelation 1:4.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

So I don't think it is talking about a country, but a person who will be killed and come back to life. It doesn't say resurrected in Revelation 13, so I don't think the person will be buried in grave or a tomb, before he comes back alive. But likely during the viewing time of his dead body. Everything caught on TV and witnessed by the entire world.



There is a basic scriptural problem with your reasoning here. As I have said, I don't believe that the seven heads of the first Beast are individual people, or kings. Even if they are are it still doesn't work. The wounded head is one of seven heads. (Revelation 13:1-3) When an individual is called "the Beast," that person is "an eighth king." (Revelation 17:11) Even if the seven heads could be interpreted as seven kings, or rulers, the Beast, the eighth king, is not one of the seven. If a ruler does receive a mortal wound to the head, dies, and comes back to life, he still is one of the seven. He won't be the eighth king. The "wounded head" ruler and the individual called "the Beast" are two separate people.


11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

Revelation 17: 11 NIV


It goes on to say that he "belongs to the seven" but that means that he continues the same disastrous policies, that the eighth king, and his regime, is the result of the degeneracy of the seven.


Why should we believe that the heads of the first Beast are persons and not countries or kingdoms? The imagery of Revelation often mirrors that in Daniel. In Daniel, animals stand for countries, nations or kingdoms in several places.


4 I watched the ram as it charged toward the west and the north and the south. No animal could stand against it, and none could rescue from its power. It did as it pleased and became great.

Daniel 8: 4 NIV


Here, already, as we see the ram charging west, north and south, it is obvious that this is what a strong ruler would do in the ancient world. A strong ruler would push back the border, especially if surrounding kingdoms are weak, disorganized or not militarily prepared.


5 As I was thinking about this, suddenly a goat with a prominent horn between its eyes came from the west, crossing the whole earth without touching the ground.

Daniel 8: 5 NIV


Here the goat enters. One wonders if "crossing the whole earth" has something to do with armies traveling great distances by air, as they do in the modern world.


The ram was powerless to stand against it; the goat knocked it to the ground and trampled on it, and none could rescue the ram from its power. 8 The goat became very great, but at the height of its power the large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up toward the four winds of heaven.

Daniel 8: 7-8 NIV


The goat battling the ram is a war between countries.


20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king.

Daniel 8: 20


Here we get interpretation. The ram is Persia and Media, united in the Persian Empire. The goat is interpreted as Greece.


In Daniel, animals stand for countries, or nations, or kingdoms. When we have a multi-headed animal, it seems logical that we are looking at an alliance of countries, united for some purpose. That is why the seven headed first Beast in Revelation 13 is probably an alliance of nations, whatever other shades of meaning it may have. One of the heads of a multifaceted Beast can most reasonably be seen as a nation or country, and the splitting of a head as the splitting of a country. The healing of the head is the re-uniting of the country.
 
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Dale, I don't think a country would fit Revelation 17:8b.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

That phrasing is similar to what is said about Jesus in Revelation 1:4.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

So I don't think it is talking about a country, but a person who will be killed and come back to life. It doesn't say resurrected in Revelation 13, so I don't think the person will be buried in grave or a tomb, before he comes back alive. But likely during the viewing time of his dead body. Everything caught on TV and witnessed by the entire world.





The great commentators of the past did not see the heads of the first Beast in Revelation 13 as individual kings or rulers. In John Gill's commentary we find:


" ... by the seven heads are meant so many forms of government which took place successively in the Roman empire, and were all of them idolatrous heads, as kings, consuls, dictators, decemvirs, tribunes, emperors, and popes; it being usual for any sort of governors, or governments and monarchies, to be called kings ... "


"Five are fallen; or ceased, are no longer in being as kings, consuls, dictators, decemvirs, and tribunes; at least, the supreme power was not lodged in any bearing either of these names in John's time."


The heads are not individual kings but forms of government.




Matthew Henry makes much the same interpetation.


"Seven kings —seven sorts of government. Rome was governed by kings, consuls, tribunes, decemviri, dictators, emperors who were pagan, and emperors who were Christian. Five of these were extinct when this prophecy was written; one was then in being, that is, the pagan emperor; and the other, that is, the Christian emperor, was yet to come, v. 10."


Henry sees the Papacy as the eighth king, seeing the Roman Catholic Church as the greatest enemy of Protestantism.


You don't have to believe everything that Gill and Henry have to say about this to see the obvious. Armed with immense knowledge of the Greek language, ancient manuscripts, ancient history, and ancient traditions, they saw no reason to think the seven heads of the Beast were individual kings, or individual rulers.



Link to John Gill Commentary

Revelation 17:10 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible




Link to Matthew Henry Commentary

Revelation 17 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete)




 
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Even if the seven heads could be interpreted as seven kings, or rulers, the Beast, the eighth king, is not one of the seven.
Dale, he is of the seven (stated in verse 11). King 7 will be killed and comes back to life and continues for a short space of 42 months as King 8.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

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Look at verse 11 above. Make a note of "that was", "is not", "even he is".

Now look at Revelation 17:8, and do the matchup, which is the part in blue.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

That beast is the end times person. King 7, who the world will see killed and come back to life as King 8. The end times person does not come out of the bottomless pit. He just comes back to life.

However, differently, in Revelation 17:8a, the red text, there is an ancient person in the bottomless pit, as a disembodied spirit. That spirit will come out of the bottomless pit and possess the end times person when the end times person comes back to life.
 
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The purpose of Revelation isn't to tell us about demons. The purpose of Revelation is to give hope to the faithful and to urge others to repent. Yes, it tells us about the Final Judgment.

The purpose it to tell us about the final judgment PLUS to warn those who don't make the Rapture but repent afterwards what's coming upon them.

The place that Apollyon (or Abbadon) is named is in Revelation 9: 11. As the text plainly tells us, the name simply means The Destroyer.
He is called the DESTROYER in Hebrew because that was his assignment against Israel, to destroy.

The Destroyer. Revelation 9: 1-11 tells us about a plague of locusts, or perhaps locusts and scorpions, and other such creatures.
That portion is Woe #1, its about the Demons from the bottomless pit being released to go forth on earth for 5 months.

It does say that Apollyon is the king of the locusts but this may be a way of speaking. Put it this way. If an infestation of locusts was eating your food supply and you knew that millions were going to starve next year, when the food runs out, would you think this was the plague from hell? You probably would.

Those "LOCUSTS" are Demons just like the Frogs of Rev. 16 are Satan, the False Prophet and Anti-Christ, Revelation is chock full of symbolism.

This is the only place in the Bible that Apollyon is mentioned. No where else in the Bible is there a story about this being. No where else are we warned about this being.

Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast THAT WAS !! And it says he was OF THE SEVEN !! And is an 8th {King of the bottomless pit}. God loves giving His people riddles that the world can't understand, and in time we can. If he was of the SEVEN {Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome} that means he was of the SIX BEASTS and will be of the coming Anti-Christ.

Ephesian.s 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So who was Apollyon ? The DESTROYER, assigned by Satan to Destroy Israel, where Jesus could never be born and so God's prophesies could not come true {BIG FAIL of course}.

Apollyon was assigned the Mediterranean Sea Region. Thus he was the prince of Persia who resisted Micheal/God in Dan. chapter 10. He was OF THE SEVEN !!

Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17 who comes up from the pit and kills the Two-witnesses in Rev. 11.

Why should we believe that Apollyon exists, as an entity?


Why should we believe that Apollyon exists, except as another name for Satan?


Why should we believe that demons are organized enough to have assigned ranks and territories?
If you want to know this, all you have to do is read the Bible.

The Bible does not give us names of demons. (Some of the Apocryphal books do.) Since the Bible doesn't assign names to demons, why would Apollyon be an exception?
Because he is the Scarlet Colored Beast of the Mediterranean Sea Region {cradle of civilization}. Because he kills the Two-witnesses.
 
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Dale, in Revelation 13, the world worships the beast. The beast that is worshiped and the image made of him is a person. And the number of the name of beast is the number of a man.


Doug: "And the number of the name of beast is the number of a man."


You are drawing an unwarranted conclusion here. The KJV uses the phrase "the number of a man," but it isn't that simple. The Revised Standard Version translates the same phrase as "it is a human number." The NIV uses "the number of a man" in the text but has a note that it can also be rendered as "is humanity's number." It is not the number of an individual man, or leader, or king, but "a human number."




18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 13:18 KJV


18 This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.[a]

Revelation 13:18 RSV

[a]:Revelation 13:18 Other ancient authorities read six hundred and sixteen





18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[a] That number is 666.

Revelation 13:8 NIV

[a]: Revelation 13:18 Or is humanity’s number




In other words, Revelation 13:18 doesn't say that the Beast is one man. There are at least two implications here. First, the number is the product of human reckoning. Second, the "human number" falls short of the Divine or angelic.




The Pulpit Commentary on this verse, which I located at BibleHub.com, has a fuller explanation of why this is so. Here are some of the high points.




<< Here is wisdom, Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man. The last clause has no article ... >>




The "number of a man" is really a "number of man." Translators put an "a" in front of "man" because it sounded better.


<< It is the "number of man;" that is, it describes symbolically something which is peculiarly a characteristic of mankind. Some writers have understood the words to mean, "the number refers to an individual man;" but the absence of the article militates against this view. >>



<< His [John's] own use of numerals throughout the Apocalypse is, as we have repeatedly seen, symbolical of general qualities, and does not indicate either individuals or exact numbers. >>




Knowing the author of Revelation's habits and propensities back up the conclusion that the number of the Beast does not refer to an individual man and isn't designed to point to one.




<< As seven is the number of perfection, and is descriptive of universality, and is therefore the symbol pertaining to God, so six is a type of what falls short of the heavenly ideal. >>


The number 666 doesn't point to a particular person, or man, it points to a world system that falls short of God's ideal.


<< "Six is the 'signature' of non-perfection;" and, "This number is also a symbol of human rule and power." Wordsworth says ... >>




Link: See Pulpit commentary.

Revelation 13:18 Commentaries: Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

 
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Doug: "And the number of the name of beast is the number of a man."


You are drawing an unwarranted conclusion here. The KJV uses the phrase "the number of a man," but it isn't that simple. The Revised Standard Version translates the same phrase as "it is a human number." The NIV uses "the number of a man" in the text but has a note that it can also be rendered as "is humanity's number." It is not the number of an individual man, or leader, or king, but "a human number."
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The requirement to buy and sell will be having either his name, the mark of his name (Revelation 14:11), or the number of his name. Everything is tied to his name.

The beast is simply a man who the world will worship, thinking he has obtain God-hood. The world will wonder after him.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
 
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The 7 Heads represents ALL THE BEASTS over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region up until the Church age.............AND then after the Church Age.

Rev. 17 is about Apollyon, not Satan the Dragon BEAST nor the Anti-Christ Beast. You realize more than one entity can BEAST OVER a Region right ? The Dragon rules all Darkness, he gives the Anti-Christ his power, thus there is TWO BEASTS there. Apollyon is another Beast, he was ASSIGNED the Region by Satan !!


That's evident, since I pointed out three chapters.


Crowns on the Heads {Kingdoms} in Rev. 12 SIGNIFIES Satan as the Beast Dragon. Crowns on the Horns in Rev. 13 SIGNIFY its the Man Beast/Little Horn that being designated/spoken about. NO CROWNS in Rev. 17 SIGNIFY it's Apollyon.

Hey, you can't count the Two-witnesses time frame on earth correctly, I don't expect you to get this complex problem.........WINK, WINK.....:liturgy::amen:



RevealingTimes: "Rev. 17 is about Apollyon, not Satan the Dragon BEAST nor the Anti-Christ Beast. You realize more than one entity can BEAST OVER a Region right ? The Dragon rules all Darkness, he gives the Anti-Christ his power, thus there is TWO BEASTS there. Apollyon is another Beast, he was ASSIGNED the Region by Satan !!"


The passage we are talking about is:


3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.

Revelation 17: 3-4 NIV


Revealing, you apparently take Apollyon to be a powerful demon, one second only to Satan. The notion that the scarlet beast the mystery woman sits on is the demon Apollyon doesn't work out.


When you see a man riding a horse, you assume that he owns the horse. If he doesn't own the horse, he is the master of the horse at the moment. The animal is subordinate, the rider is in charge. The rider controls the animal, either with a halter, or a whip, or by training. The same is true if the man is on a camel, a donkey, a burro, or an elephant. The rider is in charge, the animal is subordinate. It is the rider who owns the animal, or at the least is acting as the master of the animal.



Since the Mystery Woman is seated on the scarlet beast, we must assume that the woman is the master of the beast. Either she owns the scarlet beast, or she controls the beast. Suppose that the scarlet beast is the same as Apollyon. If so, the woman has enslaved a demon second only to Satan in the diabolic hierarchy. Can a mortal enslave a demon? Even a chief demon? No, this is absurd. Whether the woman is a person, organization, institution, nation or an alliance, none of these could enslave a demon.


The only conclusion is that the identification of Apollyon with the scarlet beast,

Apollyon =scarlet beast, is wrong.
 
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Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The requirement to buy and sell will be having either his name, the mark of his name (Revelation 14:11), or the number of his name. Everything is tied to his name.

The beast is simply a man who the world will worship, thinking he has obtain God-hood. The world will wonder after him.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.


On the number of the Beast, you make a great deal out of "his" name. Uncle Sam is a he but Uncle Sam is not an actual person. Uncle Sam is not an individual, but the symbol of a nation, or a nation-state. The Statue of Liberty is a she, but the Statue of Liberty isn't an actual person, either.




On Revelation 13: 3, I've already explained that the division and re-unification of a country, namely Germany, fits the prophecy much better than anything you have put forward. The points I made are backed by the historical record. The notion of the most evil man in history being resurrected from the dead is both physically impossible and logically impossible.
 
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The passage we are talking about is:


3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.

Revelation 17: 3-4 NIV


Revealing, you apparently take Apollyon to be a powerful demon, one second only to Satan. The notion that the scarle

Of course it WORKS OUT just like this BELOW WORKS OUT to be Satan:

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The Seven Heads is the Seven Kingdom down through the ages that will have Ruled, Enslaved or BEASTED over Israel {and the Mediterranean Sea Region}. The Great Red Dragon is a DEMON {Satan} and the Seven Crowns on the Seven Heads {Kingdoms} shows who this Demon is, Satan, WHY ? Because he is over the Seven Kingdom just like all the other Kingdoms of the World, SEE Luke ch. 4, where Satan tells Jesus that he has power over all the Kingdoms of the WHOLE WORLD and all will be given unto Jesus if he will just bow down and worship him. So EVERY KINGDOM on earth is under Satan, thus the Seven Crowns designated the Red Dragon as Satan !!

Likewise in Rev. 13 the Beast {MAN/666} is designated as a Human Ruler because he has 10 Crowns on the 10 Kings {who freely give their power over unto him].

In Rev. 17, we see the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, that is because he is not Satan who is over ALL KINGDOMS of the world, and hes not the Human Beast/Man/Anti-Christ/Little Horn. Hes a Scarlet Colored Beast DESIGNATED to rule over the Region, as all regions have Demonic powers placed over them by Satan. You should know this brother, which is why I cited Ephesians 6:12 above. But we are told SPECIFICALLY who the Scarlet Colored Beast is brother. Follow me here:

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

He ASCENDS out of the Bottomless Pit !! The Angel tells us and yet we still call it a MYSTERY, it is not a Mystery any more, the Angel explained it unto us. WHO ASCENDS out of the Bottomless Pit?

Lets look back at Rev. ch. 9.

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

NOW...Lets go back to Rev 17 for a minute....

Rev. 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

So he has NO CROWNS on earth because when the Seven Headed Beast is mentioned there is NO CROWNS Mentioned, but he is called an 8th KING.........WHY ? SEE Rev. 9:11 ABOVE !! Hes the King of the Bottomless Pit. Hes an 8th King and is of the SEVEN....He was over the Mediterranean Sea Region for all the years God observed Israel as his peoples, whilst Egypt enslaved them, whilst Assyria took away the 10 Northern Tribes, while Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome ruled over Israel, THEN.....He was placed in the Bottomless Pit while the Church Age {Gentiles} were given the mantle to do God's work, whilst God turned His back on Israel and saw them as Dead Men's Bones {Ezekiel 37} for nigh 2000 years until 1948 !! After the Rapture happens, during the 70th week, at the 1st Woe Apollyon will be RELEASED just as Rev. ch. 9 says. Thus he was the Scarlet Colored Beast who WAS.........IS NOT{hes in the Pit}....YET IS.

We can also see Apollyon in Rev. 11. He kills the Two-witnesses !!

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

This is not a Mystery brother. God has given us these answers in these last days.
 
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When you see a man riding a horse, you assume that he owns the horse. If he doesn't own the horse, he is the master of the horse at the moment. The animal is subordinate, the rider is in charge. The rider controls the animal, either with a halter, or a whip, or by training. The same is true if the man is on a camel, a donkey, a burro, or an elephant. The rider is in charge, the animal is subordinate. It is the rider who owns the animal, or at the least is acting as the master of the animal.



Since the Mystery Woman is seated on the scarlet beast, we must assume that the woman is the master of the beast.
Sorry brother, this is a bunch of incorherent ranting here, you believe something, thus you try and fit in some magical paradigm to make it seem thus and thus. I am an expert on Revelation, Daniel, symbology etc. etc. I am writing a book on Revelation symbologies as we speak, I hope to have it finished on the next year. The Woman = ALL FALSE RELIGION.

Its False Religion RIDING the Government Beast. The Harlot rides the Beast, the 7 Heads and 10 Horns tells you the Beast is Government, the Harlotry tells you the Harlot is False Religion. She is Mystery Babylon Religions ALL, she is Islam, she is Witchcraft, she is Hinduism, Buddhism, that is why she is an ABOMINATION !! That is why she is associated with Babylon the Great {World Government/Head of Gold}, shes the Mother of Harlotry !! {Semiramis}.

Either she owns the scarlet beast, or she controls the beast. Suppose that the scarlet beast is the same as Apollyon. If so, the woman has enslaved a demon second only to Satan in the diabolic hierarchy. Can a mortal enslave a demon? Even a chief demon? No, this is absurd. Whether the woman is a person, organization, institution, nation or an alliance, none of these could enslave a demon.


The only conclusion is that the identification of Apollyon with the scarlet beast,

Apollyon =scarlet beast, is wrong.
She has been CO-MINGLED with False Government for eons.....False Religions and False Government are ONE AND THE SAME. One Worships a False God the other is Governed by anything but the real God, that means by Satan..........Kings.........Apollyon and OTHER Demonic Entities see Ephesians 6:12. The KEY in understanding this is in Rev. 17:16, the Beast's 10 Kings KILL OFF the Harlot.....Don't you get it ? The Anti-Christ will DEMAND to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD, thus there is no room for the other Harlot Religions, Islam will be destroyed, as will all other FALSE RELIGIONS {Harlotry}. A one World Religion, BEAST WORSHIP will be instituted, see Rev. 13, the False Prophet demands Beast Worship or else you will die !!

The Government is master over the Harlot in the end, but in essence they are co-mingled. The LAST FALSE RELIGION will be Beast Worship, and Jesus defeats that...The ROCK of Daniel 2 SMASHES the Head of Gold. Amen.
 
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That is a deep subject.
I created a thread on the Sea and Land wild Beasts but it didn't seem to garner much interest.

The wild Beasts from the Sea and from the Land

The wild Beast Out of the Land

11 And I saw another wild Beast ascending out of the land,
and it had two horns like a lambkin and it spoke as a Dragon.
12 And the authority of the first wild Beast all it is doing in view of it.
And is making the land and those dwelling in it that to be worshiping the first wild Beast, of which was cured the blow of the death of it.
13 And it is doing great signs that even fire it may be making out of the heaven descending into the land in view of the men.
14 And it is deceiving those dwelling on the land thru the signs which was given to it to do in view of the wild Beast,
saying to those dwelling upon the land to make an image to the wild Beast which hath the blow of the sword and lives.
15 And was given to it to give spirit/breath to the image of the wild Beast, that also the image of the wild Beast should be speaking.
And should be causing as many as shall no should be worshiping to the image of the wild Beast, that they may be being killed.

16 And it is causing all the small and the great and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the servants that may be giving to them a mark upon their right hand or upon their foreheads.
17 And that no one may be able to buy, or to sell, except he who is having the mark of the wild Beast or the name of the wild Beast, or the number of it's name.
18 Here the wisdom is being!
The one having mind, let him calculate the number of the wild Beast, for number of man it is, and its number six hundred sixty six.

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THE BEAST OUT OF THE LAND

In the thirteenth chapter of the Revelation the awesome prophecy is given of two beasts terrible in power and strength that dominate all the inhabitants of the earth and make war against the saints. As we approach this scene may I say that it’s not surprising that most Christians, at the mere mention of the events that are portrayed in this portion of the book, start conjuring up mental images of grotesque beasts, one world government tyranny, or a super-man antichrist brutally killing the saints or imposing the fearful “mark of the beast” in their right hand or in their forehead, thus forever sealing their doom in eternal hell-fire and damnation. Thousands of churches and teachers use such apocalyptic imagery to frighten people into confessing their sins and “getting right with God.” Very often, their hearers do not truly get converted to a loving and intimate relationship with the Lord; they merely cry their eyes out and beg God for mercy in order to escape His wrath. As soon as the fear factor is discredited or wears off, the so-called repentance often loses its effect.
I would point out here that there are no chapter divisions in the original text of the Revelation, and armed with this understanding it may be clearly seen that the events of chapter thirteen are the continuation of the great drama unfolded in chapter twelve. The chapter begins with the conjunction “and” denoting continuity of thought and action. To show the flow we will begin with the last verse of chapter twelve and continue through the first two verses of chapter thirteen..............................

The Greek text indicates that this is “another” of the same kind as the first beast, or a “beast” in another form. In our last message we pointed out that the “antichrist” is not the same as the “beast” in the book of Revelation. There is indeed a relationship, but there is also an important difference. “Antichrist” refers to a spirit and to the people possessed by that spirit. Notice the language: “Ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists…they went out from us, but they were not of us…every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not…is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist…for many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” On the other hand, throughout the scriptures, the word beast refers to a system, and not to a man. The beasts speak of bestial systems, organizations, institutions, movements, and governments. The antichrist people may be found in the bestial system, but the bestial system is something beyond the people themselves.

This second beast is an earth-born beast. There is no possibility of confusing him with the first beast. They are utterly different. The first is a composite wild jungle beast, the second resembles a lamb, but inwardly bears the nature of a dragon. Outwardly he looks like a kinder, gentler, harmless beast, having only two horns, and those of a harmless kind — like the horns of a lamb. Also, he has no crowns on his horns, indicating that he has no political sovereignty. When he speaks, however, he speaks like a dragon; and for all his harmless appearance he is a true therion, a savage, fierce, and cruel brute. When we look at his character and pretensions we find that, bad as the other beast was, there is something here yet more dreadful. The second beast does not accomplish his agenda by brute force; he works deception through signs, wonders, and miracles. The first gives his authority to the second, and the second persuades men everywhere to give respect and pay homage to an image of the first. They are in league and covenant, each aiding and abetting the other.

I would now draw your attention to the fact that the expression “I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth” is literally in the Greek, “I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth.” John did not say, “I saw a beast come up or ascend as a limited, one-time event, but coming up or ascending — denoting a continuous action. It is on-going. It is constantly being fulfilled. It cannot be bound by, nor does it predict or specify, any actual historical or future event. Instead, the beast is ascending, he is always ascending out of the earth-realm of the soul of man.
It is impossible to understand this truth of the two beasts unless we can distinguish between the sea, the earth, and the two beasts themselves. The first beast is not the sea-realm itself, but comes up out of the sea of humanity. The second beast is not the earth-realm itself, but comes up out of the earth, out of the soulical nature of man. So we are dealing neither with the wicked, surging masses of humanity nor the moral and religious people who bring a sense of stability to civilization..................
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Revelation 13:8 - Apocalypse Fulfilled! | Book of Revelation Study Archive

THEOLOGIANS IDENTIFYING NERO WITH 666
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Beast's Real Mark Devalued to 616 "Dr. Aitken said, however, that scholars now believe the number in question has very little to do the devil. It was actually a complicated numerical riddle in Greek, meant to represent someone's name, she said. "It's a number puzzle -- the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero."

James Stuart Russell, Parousia, p, 557.
Shirley Jackson Case, The Revelation of John: A History of Interpretation (Chicago, 1919), p. 319.
George Edmundson, The Church in Rome in the First Century (London, 1913), pp. 165-166.
B. W. Henderson, Five Roman Emperors (Cambridge: University Press, 1927), p. 45.
Arthur S. Peake, The Revelation of John (London: Joseph Johnson, 1919), p. 326.
Martin Kiddie, The Revelation of St. John (New York: Harper, 1940), p. 261.
Charles C. Torrey, The Apocalypse of John (New Haven: Yale, 1958), p. 60.
John Bright, The Kingdom of God (Nashville Abingdon, 1963), p. 240.
Austin Farrar, The Revelation of St. John the Divine (Oxford: Clarendon, 1964), pp. 158f
T. G. Driver, The Judean Scrolls (Oxford: Blackwell, 1965), p. 374.
Hillers, "Revelation 13:18," p. 65. See J. P. M. Sweet, Revelation. (Philadelphia, 1979) p. 218, note u.
Bruce M. Metzger, The Text of the New Testament, 2nd ed. (Oxford, 1968), p. 752.
John A. T. Robinson, Redating the New Testament (Philadelphia: Westminster, 1976), p. 235.

THE COLLECTIVE MAN THEORY

  • Wycliffe "Here is wisdom; he that hath understanding, acount the number of the beast; for it is the number of man, and his number is six hundred sixty and six."
Hank Hanegraaff, Sigmund Brouwer (2004)
"Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the Beast, for it is the number of man. His number is 666.'" (The Last Disciple, p. 310)

Jasper Seaton Hughes (1898)
"The words, "for it is the number of man," must not be taken to refer to any one man in contrast to other individual men, but man as opposed to God, sinful, apostate man." (Mystery of the Golden Cloth, p. 255)

Philip Mauro (1910)
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast : for it is THE NUMBER OF MAN ; and his number is 666" (Rev. xiii. 18)" (The Number of Man: Climax of Civilization)

John George Schmucker (1821)
"For it is the number of a man. The original should be rendered for it is the number of man, without the article, and not the number of a man's name, as some expositors have understood this expression. The learned Faber terms this verse an enigma ; I would rather call it the solution of an enigma, as it most assuredly is. I prefer the interpretation adopted by Bengelius, Bp. Newton, and Young, who suppose that the number of man means no more than the method of numbering in common use among men, as opposed to prophetic numbers ; according to which the numerical letters signify 666." (The Prophetic History of the Christian Religion Explained, p. 176)

Benjamin Seth Youngs (1823)
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: [and this is easily done] for it is the number of man ;"| not (as many suppose) some particular man, as an individual ; but MAN in his common gender, including male and female. Then as the number of the beast is the number of man, so the character of the beast is the character of man." (The Testimony of Christ's Second Appearing, p. 359)




LLOJ quotes the following: << “Antichrist” refers to a spirit and to the people possessed by that spirit. Notice the language: “Ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists…they went out from us, but they were not of us…every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not…is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist…for many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” >>


It is my understanding that when Paul says to "test the spirits," what he means is to test the movements. There is a movement to emphasize this or a movement to emphasize that. Paul seems to believe that there is a spirit behind every movement and it is our task to find out if it is a good spirit or not. Paul lays down the test, by their works you will know them.


Just a tidbit to help understand the Epistles.
 
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LLOJ quotes the following: << “Antichrist” refers to a spirit and to the people possessed by that spirit. Notice the language: “Ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists…they went out from us, but they were not of us…every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not…is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist…for many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” >>


It is my understanding that when Paul says to "test the spirits," what he means is to test the movements. There is a movement to emphasize this or a movement to emphasize that. Paul seems to believe that there is a spirit behind every movement and it is our task to find out if it is a good spirit or not. Paul lays down the test, by their works you will know them.


Just a tidbit to help understand the Epistles.
There is an anti-God/Christ Spirit that has {IMHO} always been. Hes the opposite of God, thus if God is Holy, there had to be an opposite Spirit in the Universe. Not many understand this point I make, but alas, it has to be true in my opinion.

But when Paul speaks of THAT Anti-Christ he is speaking of the (THAT MAN} Man of Sin/Little Horn who is AGAINST God/Christ. So there is BOTH an anti-God Spirit and a MAN that will work against God in that anti-Christ/God Spirit. Satan fell prey to THAT Spirit when he said in his heart he would be like the most high God.

God Bless.
 
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Satan fell prey to THAT Spirit when he said in his heart he would be like the most high God.

God created a perfect universe.
The sin of Satan, and Adam corrupted that universe.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Satan is that spirit.

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John’s vision, described at the beginning of Revelation Chapter 13, was symbolic of dominant world powers/governments “ascending out of the sea.” (Isaiah 57:20; Revelation 17:15) T John’s time of his vision, five were of the past (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece) one was present (Rome) and one yet to be identified in the future. This future world power was ultimately a duel/united relationship: England and America. This same beast is partially described in the book of Daniel. Notice what it reads at the end of Revelation 13:1: “…the dragon [Satan] gave to the beast its power….” All governments are under the influence of Satan.-2 Corinthians 4:4; 1 John 5:19.

Consider Revelation 13: 11-13. The two-headed “…wild beast ascending out of the earth….” Notice the difference from the seven-headed beast. This two-horned beast is also political and under the control/influence of Satan’s already established earthly system of things.

Ask your self or consult history of the political system that was proposed, promoted, supported etc. mainly by what country/s after the First World War. This entity was the League of Nations; and the after the Second World War, the United Nations.

Considering this brief explanation, the “seventh head” that suffered the “sword or death-stroke” could be none other that the Anglo-American duel government/powers.
 
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Of course it WORKS OUT just like this BELOW WORKS OUT to be Satan:

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The Seven Heads is the Seven Kingdom down through the ages that will have Ruled, Enslaved or BEASTED over Israel {and the Mediterranean Sea Region}. The Great Red Dragon is a DEMON {Satan} and the Seven Crowns on the Seven Heads {Kingdoms} shows who this Demon is, Satan, WHY ? Because he is over the Seven Kingdom just like all the other Kingdoms of the World, SEE Luke ch. 4, where Satan tells Jesus that he has power over all the Kingdoms of the WHOLE WORLD and all will be given unto Jesus if he will just bow down and worship him. So EVERY KINGDOM on earth is under Satan, thus the Seven Crowns designated the Red Dragon as Satan !!

Likewise in Rev. 13 the Beast {MAN/666} is designated as a Human Ruler because he has 10 Crowns on the 10 Kings {who freely give their power over unto him].

In Rev. 17, we see the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, that is because he is not Satan who is over ALL KINGDOMS of the world, and hes not the Human Beast/Man/Anti-Christ/Little Horn. Hes a Scarlet Colored Beast DESIGNATED to rule over the Region, as all regions have Demonic powers placed over them by Satan. You should know this brother, which is why I cited Ephesians 6:12 above. But we are told SPECIFICALLY who the Scarlet Colored Beast is brother. Follow me here:

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

He ASCENDS out of the Bottomless Pit !! The Angel tells us and yet we still call it a MYSTERY, it is not a Mystery any more, the Angel explained it unto us. WHO ASCENDS out of the Bottomless Pit?

Lets look back at Rev. ch. 9.

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

NOW...Lets go back to Rev 17 for a minute....

Rev. 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

So he has NO CROWNS on earth because when the Seven Headed Beast is mentioned there is NO CROWNS Mentioned, but he is called an 8th KING.........WHY ? SEE Rev. 9:11 ABOVE !! Hes the King of the Bottomless Pit. Hes an 8th King and is of the SEVEN....He was over the Mediterranean Sea Region for all the years God observed Israel as his peoples, whilst Egypt enslaved them, whilst Assyria took away the 10 Northern Tribes, while Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome ruled over Israel, THEN.....He was placed in the Bottomless Pit while the Church Age {Gentiles} were given the mantle to do God's work, whilst God turned His back on Israel and saw them as Dead Men's Bones {Ezekiel 37} for nigh 2000 years until 1948 !! After the Rapture happens, during the 70th week, at the 1st Woe Apollyon will be RELEASED just as Rev. ch. 9 says. Thus he was the Scarlet Colored Beast who WAS.........IS NOT{hes in the Pit}....YET IS.

We can also see Apollyon in Rev. 11. He kills the Two-witnesses !!

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

This is not a Mystery brother. God has given us these answers in these last days.



RevealingTimes: << We can also see Apollyon in Rev. 11. He kills the Two-witnesses !!
Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. >>


The sense of the text of Revelation Chapter 9 is that Satan stirs up a mob to kill the Two Witnesses. To say that this beast who ascends from the pit is Apollyon simply tells us that Apollyon is another name for Satan. Apollyon = Satan.


RevealingTimes: "In Rev. 17, we see the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, that is because he is not Satan who is over ALL KINGDOMS of the world, and hes not the Human Beast/Man/Anti-Christ/Little Horn."


Revelation 9:11 says that Apollyon is King of the invading locusts that this chapter tells us so much about. If Apollyon is King of Locusts, then he can't be the scarlet beast who has "no crowns," as you keep telling us. Apollyon would have a crown as King of Locusts.
 
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Sorry brother, this is a bunch of incorherent ranting here, you believe something, thus you try and fit in some magical paradigm to make it seem thus and thus. I am an expert on Revelation, Daniel, symbology etc. etc. I am writing a book on Revelation symbologies as we speak, I hope to have it finished on the next year. The Woman = ALL FALSE RELIGION.

Its False Religion RIDING the Government Beast. The Harlot rides the Beast, the 7 Heads and 10 Horns tells you the Beast is Government, the Harlotry tells you the Harlot is False Religion. She is Mystery Babylon Religions ALL, she is Islam, she is Witchcraft, she is Hinduism, Buddhism, that is why she is an ABOMINATION !! That is why she is associated with Babylon the Great {World Government/Head of Gold}, shes the Mother of Harlotry !! {Semiramis}.


She has been CO-MINGLED with False Government for eons.....False Religions and False Government are ONE AND THE SAME. One Worships a False God the other is Governed by anything but the real God, that means by Satan..........Kings.........Apollyon and OTHER Demonic Entities see Ephesians 6:12. The KEY in understanding this is in Rev. 17:16, the Beast's 10 Kings KILL OFF the Harlot.....Don't you get it ? The Anti-Christ will DEMAND to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD, thus there is no room for the other Harlot Religions, Islam will be destroyed, as will all other FALSE RELIGIONS {Harlotry}. A one World Religion, BEAST WORSHIP will be instituted, see Rev. 13, the False Prophet demands Beast Worship or else you will die !!

The Government is master over the Harlot in the end, but in essence they are co-mingled. The LAST FALSE RELIGION will be Beast Worship, and Jesus defeats that...The ROCK of Daniel 2 SMASHES the Head of Gold. Amen.



Revealing,


You seem confused by my observation that the woman riding the scarlet beast would have to be the master of the animal, the master of the beast. Therefore the beast cannot be a powerful devil as you have suggested. You say the woman and the scarlet beast are co-mingled. This cannot be so. The rider is the master and the beast is subordinate. If you don't believe me, see what the Bible says.




3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal.

James 3:3 NIV



RevealingTimes: "The Woman = ALL FALSE RELIGION."


This identification is too vague to be helpful.

 
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John’s vision, described at the beginning of Revelation Chapter 13, was symbolic of dominant world powers/governments “ascending out of the sea.” (Isaiah 57:20; Revelation 17:15) T John’s time of his vision, five were of the past (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece) one was present (Rome) and one yet to be identified in the future. This future world power was ultimately a duel/united relationship: England and America. This same beast is partially described in the book of Daniel. Notice what it reads at the end of Revelation 13:1: “…the dragon [Satan] gave to the beast its power….” All governments are under the influence of Satan.-2 Corinthians 4:4; 1 John 5:19.

Consider Revelation 13: 11-13. The two-headed “…wild beast ascending out of the earth….” Notice the difference from the seven-headed beast. This two-horned beast is also political and under the control/influence of Satan’s already established earthly system of things.

Ask your self or consult history of the political system that was proposed, promoted, supported etc. mainly by what country/s after the First World War. This entity was the League of Nations; and the after the Second World War, the United Nations.

Considering this brief explanation, the “seventh head” that suffered the “sword or death-stroke” could be none other that the Anglo-American duel government/powers.


Mark,


Revelation never says that the "seventh head" will be wounded. Here's what it does say:


"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound ..."


It is one of the heads that is wounded, and we don't know which one, if they have numbers. I am glad to see that you realize that the seven heads of the beast represent nations or empires or world systems, and not simply a series of rulers.


I am having trouble locating either Great Britain or the United States in any Biblical prophecy. It is possible that they are found in prophecy but I don't see you putting forward any passage that points to either one.



You apparently see the seven heads as a series of empires, starting with Egypt. This would cover much of the history of the western world, although it takes no account of China, Mongolia or India.


Here is the problem I see with the seven heads of the Beast being Egypt, Assyria, Bablyon, Persia, Greece and Rome, or any variation of this. If you want to say that ancient empires like Egypt, Assyria, Bablylon, etc. were under Satan's control, this is hard to argue with. They were all dominated by polytheist religion, false gods, and idolatry. The same is true of Rome until the time of Constantine. However, your scheme doesn't show Satan's dominance of earthly empires coming to an end. After the rise of Christianity, under this scheme, Satan is still in control of the state. Even after the Protestant reformation, nothing really changes. Satan is still reigning. Even with Protestant powers such as Great Britain and the USA as the most powerful countries in the world, these nations are still considered merely a head of an evil Beast. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Haven't we made some progress with the rise of Christianity? It looks like the heads must stand for something else.




 
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I give up. You do not seem to be able to discern/reason accurately.:amen:



The questions I asked are very straightforward. For instance, where to we see the USA in prophecy?

You see the seven heads of the Dragon (Satan) as representing ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, etc.

If Revelation speaks to our time, why do the seven heads of the Dragon have to recapitulate all of human history? Perhaps Revelation has a starting point much closer to our time.
 
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You see the seven heads of the Dragon (Satan) as representing ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, etc.

If Revelation speaks to our time, why do the seven heads of the Dragon have to recapitulate all of human history? Perhaps Revelation has a starting point much closer to our time.
The dragon and the beast are two different persons.

1. out of the mouth of the dragon
2. out of the mouth of the beast

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
 
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