The Whistleblower

Allandavid · Sep 22, 2019

Zanting said:
The MSM can't tell the truth regarding politics at all...and they have lost credibility...world wide.

Nope...only for those who prefer ‘alternative facts’...

iluvatar5150 · Sep 22, 2019

Zanting said:
The MSM can't tell the truth regarding politics at all...and they have lost credibility...world wide.

Then please enlighten us as to what the truth is on this matter.

ToddNotTodd · Sep 22, 2019

Zanting said:
The MSM can't tell the truth regarding politics at all...and they have lost credibility...world wide.

Do you have links to several international articles that demonstrate this?

FreeinChrist · Sep 22, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Does Trump have the authority to give the aid? Yes.

Does he have the authority to withhold it? Yes.

If he gives it, is he obligated to give it for nothing? No.

His nation’s security? It concerns military aid to a murderous regime which is so utterly unworthy of our sympathy, let alone our aid. Yet the scandal is not that we give it, but that we have the audacity to ask for something in return! Especially considering that it was placed in power by a US backed coup!

You seem to forget that it was not the generosity of Trump in giving the aid. Congress allocated $250 million in security aid to Ukraine, including money for weapons, training, equipment and intelligence support. $50 million specifically was for weaponry.

wing2000 · Sep 22, 2019

FreeinChrist said:
You seem to forget that it was not the generosity of Trump in giving the aid. Congress allocated $250 million in security aid to Ukraine, including money for weapons, training, equipment and intelligence support. $50 million specifically was for weaponry.

...it seems some forget the Constitution gives the power of the purse to Congress.

SoldierOfTheKing · Sep 22, 2019

wing2000 said:
...it seems some forget the Constitution gives the power of the purse to Congress.

Congress allocates the funds; actually spending them falls to the executive.

wing2000 · Sep 22, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Congress allocates the funds; actually spending them falls to the executive.

...the President may or may not have certain latitude to spend depending on the language of the bill.

KCfromNC · Sep 22, 2019

DaisyDay said:
Donald, however, if this allegation proves to be true, tried to get a foreign head of state to interfere in our current election cycle to the detriment of his perceived political enemies.

Just like the last election cycle. At least this time it wasn't requested by Donald on TV - maybe he is capable of learning after all.

childeye 2 · Sep 22, 2019

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Post a link(s) to the article/video that shows Biden bragging about putting pressure on Ukrainian officials to fire the their prosecutor looking into Hunter Biden. I thought I’ve been pretty clear on this.

A Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden-in-Ukraine Scandal Has Gone Mainstream. But It Is Not True.

Reporters Should Stop Helping Donald Trump Spread Lies About Joe Biden and Ukraine

GACfan · Sep 22, 2019

DaisyDay said:
Back to insults, is it? If you have a link, post it. I'm not going to go chasing my tail after something I believe you're mistaken about.

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Post a link(s) to the article/video that shows Biden bragging about putting pressure on Ukrainian officials to fire the their prosecutor looking into Hunter Biden. I thought I’ve been pretty clear on this.

I don't blame you for not wanting to fall down a rabbit hole while chasing obvious false assertions.

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mark46 · Sep 24, 2019

You have missed the point. Of course the president can ask for something in trade for getting aid. What he cannot do is to ask for aid that helps himself or his family, or his campaign for office. These activities are illegal.

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Does Trump have the authority to give the aid? Yes.

Does he have the authority to withhold it? Yes.

If he gives it, is he obligated to give it for nothing? No.

His nation’s security? It concerns military aid to a murderous regime which is so utterly unworthy of our sympathy, let alone our aid. Yet the scandal is not that we give it, but that we have the audacity to ask for something in return! Especially considering that it was placed in power by a US backed coup!

wing2000 · Sep 24, 2019

mark46 said:
You have missed the point. Of course the president can ask for something in trade for getting aid. What he cannot do is to ask for aid that helps himself or his family, or his campaign for office. These activities are illegal.

....and if the Congress allows this to continue, Trump will not hesitate to use *all* of his Executive power to do whatever it takes to denigrate his political opponents.

Just think of the precedent that will set for future Presidents if Congress allows this behavior to slide unchecked.

SoldierOfTheKing · Sep 25, 2019

mark46 said:
You have missed the point. Of course the president can ask for something in trade for getting aid. What he cannot do is to ask for aid that helps himself or his family, or his campaign for office. These activities are illegal.

What about aid that helps the US? If the Vice President was leaning on Kiev not to prosecute his son, would that not be in the interests of the US government to know? Leaving aside the question of whether it happens to help the President politically? I might add, the help it provides to the President is conditional - it only helps him if Biden becomes the Democratic presidential nominee, which is by no means a sure thing at this point.

mark46 · Sep 25, 2019

It is illegal for the president to ask a foreign country to gather information on a political opponent of the other party.

To discuss aid, and then in the next sentence ask for the favor of investigating an opponent is even worse.

It is illegal to request that the DNI not release a complaint to Congress within 7 days.
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SoldierOfTheKing said:
What about aid that helps the US? If the Vice President was leaning on Kiev not to prosecute his son, would that not be in the interests of the US government to know? Leaving aside the question of whether it happens to help the President politically? I might add, the help it provides to the President is conditional - it only helps him if Biden becomes the Democratic presidential nominee, which is by no means a sure thing at this point.

mark46 · Sep 25, 2019

Nonsense.

Biden is running for president. If Trump attempts too hurt Biden's chances, he is attempting to influence the US election.

SoldierOfTheKing said:
. I might add, the help it provides to the President is conditional - it only helps him if Biden becomes the Democratic presidential nominee, which is by no means a sure thing at this point.

mark46 · Sep 25, 2019

Whether the US should be allies of Ukraine or Russia is a question for another day. It is clear where US voters stand, and where the US Senate stands.

SoldierOfTheKing said:
What about aid that helps the US? .

Albion · Sep 25, 2019

mark46 said:
I suggest that folks watch the story as it develops.

Apparently a whistleblower reported something as he should regarding a promise made to Ukraine regarding a promise made by Trump to them.

Question: Can a person with no personal knowledge of the alleged offense be correctly described as a "whistleblower?"

If so, why is it not the case that any partisan (as this one is) can convey a theory or gossip and be received as important enough to warrant a full-scale investigation by the DOJ, Congress, or etc.?

RocksInMyHead · Sep 25, 2019

Albion said:
Question: Can a person with no personal knowledge of the alleged offense be correctly described as a "whistleblower?"

Yes? If I hear from Sally that Dave has been embezzling money from the company and I report it, I'm the whistleblower. It's not my job to investigate. I wouldn't know how to do so properly. My job is to report suspected illegal/unethical actions to the proper authorities (HR, the police, the Inspector General, etc). Then they handle the investigation and determine if my report is credible.

The whistleblower in this case heard something that he found disturbing. He reported it to the proper authority (the IG), who investigated and found the report credible.

cow451 · Sep 25, 2019

Albion said:
Question: Can a person with no personal knowledge of the alleged offense be correctly described as a "whistleblower?"

If so, why is it not the case that any partisan (as this one is) can convey a theory or gossip and be received as important enough to warrant a full-scale investigation by the DOJ, Congress, or etc.?

The complaint is investigated in order to determine its veracity. The whistle blower is not required to have a prosecutor-level amount of information. The law simply protects the person from retribution for bringing possible wrongdoing to the authorities.

You do want corruption to be addressed, I’m sure. Right?

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