Can we find Eden, the biblical site of our origin?

Elteqay · Sep 21, 2019

Der Alter said:
Not I but you will not have your eyes opened until Yahweh opens them for you.
I do not need to rethink anything, you do!
Please read Acts 10:11-15. I see all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and fowls of the air." But I don't see the word gentiles in any language.

Acts 10:11-15
(11) And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
(12) Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. But I don't see the word gentiles in any language.
(13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
(14) But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
(15) And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
So who is the one reading into Scripture things that are not there? Paul understood that "what God has cleansed" was unclean animals but included gentiles see Rom 14;2-3

Romans 14:2-3
(2) For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
(3) Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Also see Mark 7:18-19

Mk 7:18-19
(18) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
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Origen [a.d. 185-230-254.] Against Celsus. Book VIII.
But Jesus, anxious not to throw any hindrance in the way of many who might be benefited by Christianity, through the imposition of a burdensome code of rules in regard to food, has laid it down, that “not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth; for whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught. But those things which proceed out of the mouth are evil thoughts when spoken, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.” (Mat_15:11, Mat_15:17-19) Paul also says, “Meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.”

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Oh my, you have been on the forums 20 years and you still believe Peter's vision is about making unclean animals ok to eat. The interpretation of the vision is in Acts 11:1- 19.

Sorry to tell you, but the the passage where it says in between Mark 7:19-20...<thus he declared all foods clean> is not in Scripture. It was added by only God knows who...and they will stand in judgement for that.

Der Alte · Sep 21, 2019

Also see Mark 7:18-19

Mk 7:18-19
(18) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).
Origen [a.d. 185-230-254.] Against Celsus. Book VIII.
But Jesus, anxious not to throw any hindrance in the way of many who might be benefited by Christianity, through the imposition of a burdensome code of rules in regard to food, has laid it down, that “not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth; for whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught. But those things which proceed out of the mouth are evil thoughts when spoken, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.” (Mat_15:11, Mat_15:17-19) Paul also says, “Meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.”.

Elteqay said:
Oh my, you have been on the forums 20 years and you still believe Peter's vision is about making unclean animals ok to eat. The interpretation of the vision is in Acts 11:1- 19.
Sorry to tell you, but the the passage where it says in between Mark 7:19-20...<thus he declared all foods clean> is not in Scripture. It was added by only God knows who...and they will stand in judgement for that.

Wrong! I hate to burst your bubble I know that your teachers/pastors have taught you that but I started learning to speak Greek the year that Elvis and I were stationed in Germany. About 2 decades after that I studied both Hebrew and Greek at the graduate level. I can show you that the words are definitely in scripture.
The word translated "clean" is καθαριζον/katharizon its primary meaning is cleanse. It occurs 29 times in the NT it is translated clean/cleanse/purify 26 times.

Mark 7:19 οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα
......................cleanses.....all......the foods.

Instead of just uncritically believing and repeating what false teachers/pastors have taught you, do your own research look up an interlinear New Testament. There is no, zero, none existing manuscript which does not have the word katharizon/cleanse. If you can find one let me know.
Those who corrupt scripture by trying to remove passages which contradict their agendas will stand in judgement for that.

Elteqay · Sep 21, 2019

Der Alter said:
Also see Mark 7:18-19

Mk 7:18-19
(18) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).
Origen [a.d. 185-230-254.] Against Celsus. Book VIII.
But Jesus, anxious not to throw any hindrance in the way of many who might be benefited by Christianity, through the imposition of a burdensome code of rules in regard to food, has laid it down, that “not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth; for whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught. But those things which proceed out of the mouth are evil thoughts when spoken, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.” (Mat_15:11, Mat_15:17-19) Paul also says, “Meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.”.

Wrong! I hate to burst your bubble I know that your teachers/pastors have taught you that but I started learning to speak Greek the year that Elvis and I were stationed in Germany. About 2 decades after that I studied both Hebrew and Greek at the graduate level. I can show you that the words are definitely in scripture.
The word translated "clean" is καθαριζον/katharizon its primary meaning is cleanse. It occurs 29 times in the NT it is translated clean/cleanse/purify 26 times.

Mark 7:19 οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα
......................cleanses.....all......the foods.
Instead of just uncritically believing and repeating what false teachers/pastors have taught you, do your own research look up an interlinear New Testament. There is no, zero, none existing manuscript which does not have the word katharizon/cleanse. If you can find one let me know.
Those who corrupt scripture by trying to remove passages which contradict their agendas will stand in judgement for that.

Der Alter, you don't impress me ! WOW SMH.

Der Alte · Sep 21, 2019

Elteqay said:
Der Alter, you don't impress me ! WOW SMH.

I can't tell if you are impressed or appalled. I was not boasting but every time someone tries to tell me what scripture "really means" I think it is necessary to mention my credentials and when talking Hebrew or Greek I know what I'm talking about.

mmksparbud · Sep 21, 2019

Der Alter said:
I can't tell if you are impressed or appalled. I was not boasting but every time someone tries to tell me what scripture "really means" I think it is necessary to mention my credentials and when talking Hebrew or Greek I know what I'm talking about.

Elteqay said:
Oh my, you have been on the forums 20 years and you still believe Peter's vision is about making unclean animals ok to eat. The interpretation of the vision is in Acts 11:1- 19.

All that education in Greek and you do not know what the vision in Acts is about???? Peter tells you.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
There is nit one verse in all this that states the vision meant all meats are clean now, but you think that is whsat it is about?
I don't see where it says "of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of foods."---No matter how hard one tries to twist the Greek, just can't come up with that.

Der Alte · Sep 22, 2019

mmksparbud said:
All that education in Greek and you do not know what the vision in Acts is about???? Peter tells you.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
There is nit one verse in all this that states the vision meant all meats are clean now, but you think that is whsat it is about?
I don't see where it says "of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of foods."---No matter how hard one tries to twist the Greek, just can't come up with that.

I think it is about both! Please explain to me how knowing/not knowing Greek will reveal that Acts 10:10-16 refers to only people and not both people and food, exactly as it is written.
I do know that thinking the passage refers only to people fits the assumptions/presuppositions of a lot of folks.

Mark 7:18-19
(18) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).

Paul apparently understood that Jesus' words referred to food. in Acts 10:11-16 and Mk 7:18-19

Elteqay said:
I am Not Impressed with you concerning your Hebrew or Greek education and yes you are boosting nor am I appalled at your lack of understanding even when the Messiah explains that eating with dirty hands or drinking from an unwashed cup will not defile you. Or in Acts 11 where Peter gives the interpretation of his vision.
Actually it makes me sad..

Be as sad as you like you are wrong as usual.
You continue to ignore Mk 7:19

Mar 7:19 For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
Mark 7:19 οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα
......................cleanses.....all.....the foods.

Argue all you want Mk 7:19 clearly says "cleanses all foods." If you can show me authentic manuscripts which omit "cleanses all foods" then I will concede. Until then you are wrong.

Romans 14:14-15
(14) I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
(15) But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Romans 14:20
(20) For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
1 Corinthians 8:13
(13) Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
1 Timothy 4:3-4
(3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
(4) For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Elteqay · Sep 22, 2019

Der Alter said:
I think it is about both! Please explain to me how knowing/not knowing Greek will reveal that Acts 10:10-16 refers to only people and not both people and food, exactly as it is written.
I do know that thinking the passage refers only to people fits the assumptions/presuppositions of a lot of folks.

Mark 7:18-19
(18) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).
Paul apparently understood that Jesus' words referred to food. in Acts 10:11-16 and Mk 7:18-19

Be as sad as you like you are wrong as usual.
You continue to ignore Mk 7:19

Mar 7:19 For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
Mark 7:19 οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα
......................cleanses.....all.....the foods.
Argue all you want Mk 7:19 clearly says "cleanses all foods." If you can show me authentic manuscripts which omit "cleanses all foods" then I will concede. Until then you are wrong.

Romans 14:14-15
(14) I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
(15) But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Romans 14:20
(20) For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
1 Corinthians 8:13
(13) Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
1 Timothy 4:3-4
(3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
(4) For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

The Mark quote between verse 19&20 is in (thus Jesus made all foods clean) is added by only God knows, that is not in Scripture.

Matthew 15:15-20...v19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. V.20...These are what defile a man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.

Making Peters vision about eating unclean animals is poor exegesis on your part.

In Roman's 14 are the weak in faith those believers that keep the Sabbath and Elohims dietary instruction ?

mmksparbud · Sep 22, 2019

Der Alter said:
I think it is about both! Please explain to me how knowing/not knowing Greek will reveal that Acts 10:10-16 refers to only people and not both people and food, exactly as it is written.
I do know that thinking the passage refers only to people fits the assumptions/presuppositions of a lot of folks.

Mark 7:18-19
(18) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).
(19) For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.).
Paul apparently understood that Jesus' words referred to food. in Acts 10:11-16 and Mk 7:18-19

Be as sad as you like you are wrong as usual.
You continue to ignore Mk 7:19

Mar 7:19 For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
Mark 7:19 οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα
......................cleanses.....all.....the foods.
Argue all you want Mk 7:19 clearly says "cleanses all foods." If you can show me authentic manuscripts which omit "cleanses all foods" then I will concede. Until then you are wrong.

Romans 14:14-15
(14) I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
(15) But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Romans 14:20
(20) For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
1 Corinthians 8:13
(13) Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
1 Timothy 4:3-4
(3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
(4) For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

There is nothing about the vision of Peter that says at any point---"I see God call all meats clean." Peter did not know what the vision meant at first.

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Peter certainly didn't think it was about food, or he would not have doubted what it meant, he would have felt sure what it meant, just like you are. This passage doesn't then jump to another meaning, it stays with this vision and continues to what it means--
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

It is y90ou that jumps to another subject entirely. To Peter, this vision meant one thing and one thing on ly---no Gentile was unclean.

As for food---please find something anywhere in the bible that God has called an abomination, that he then declared no longer an abomination.

Der Alte · Sep 22, 2019

Elteqay said:
The Mark quote between verse 19&20 is in (thus Jesus made all foods clean) is added by only God knows, that is not in Scripture.

Rubbish! I believe that is what false teachers/pastors have taught you. But until you can direct me to authentic manuscripts which omit the words "cleanses all the foods" in Mk 7:19 you will continue to be wrong.

Matthew 15:15-20...v19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. V.20...These are what defile a man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.

.....That the Matthew account omits Mk 7:9 does not prove either Matthew or Mark wrong. Matthew recorded what he thought was important and Mark did likewise. There would be no point if all the gospels were word for word identical
.....This endless back and forth is pointless unless you can show me manuscript evidence. And I know for a fact you cannot. I checked the textual apparatus in my Greek NT this morning. The words "cleanses all the foods" are present in ALL known manuscripts.

Making Peters vision about eating unclean animals is poor exegesis on your part.

Wrong no matter how adamantly you argue, the words "all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds." are in Act 10:12

Gregory Thaumaturgus [A.D. 205-240-265.] Part I. - Acknowledged Writings. Canonical epistle. Canon I.
The meats are no burden to us, most holy father, ([Elucidation III. p. 20.]) if the captives ate things which their conquerors set before them, especially since there is one report from all, viz., that the barbarians who have made inroads into our parts have not sacrificed to idols. For the apostle says, “Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them.” (1Co_6:13) But the Saviour also, who cleanseth all meats, says, “Not that which goeth into a man defileth the man, but that which cometh out.” (Mat_15:11)
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Origen’s [a.d. 185-230-254.] Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew. Book XI.
12. For if “not that which entereth into the mouth defileth the man, but that which proceedeth out of the mouth,” (Mat_15:11) and especially when, according to Mark, the Saviour said these things “making all meats clean,” (Mar_7:19) manifestly we are not defiled when we eat those things which the Jews who desire to be in bondage to the letter of the law declare to be unclean, but we are then defiled when, whereas our lips ought to be bound with perception and we ought “to make for them what we call a balance and weight,” (Ecclesiasticus 28:25)...
Again, elsewhere it is written, “And seeing the multitudes, He went up into the mountain, and when He had sat down His disciples came unto Him;” (Mat_5:1) but here He stretches forth His hand to the multitude, calling them unto Him, and turning their thoughts away from the literal interpretation of the questions in the law, when He in the first place said to them, who did not yet understand what they heard, “Hear and understand,” and thereafter as in parables said to them, “Not that which entereth into the mouth defileth the man, but that which proceedeth out of the mouth.” (Mat_15:10-11)

In Roman's 14 are the weak in faith those believers that keep the Sabbath and Elohims dietary instruction ?

You tell me.

Romans14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
Romans 14:1-3
(1) Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.
(2) One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
(3) The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.
Romans 14:14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
Romans 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

Der Alte · Sep 22, 2019

mmksparbud said:
There is nothing about the vision of Peter that says at any point---"I see God call all meats clean." Peter did not know what the vision meant at first.
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Peter certainly didn't think it was about food, or he would not have doubted what it meant, he would have felt sure what it meant, just like you are. This passage doesn't then jump to another meaning, it stays with this vision and continues to what it means--
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
It is y90ou that jumps to another subject entirely. To Peter, this vision meant one thing and one thing on ly---no Gentile was unclean.
As for food---please find something anywhere in the bible that God has called an abomination, that he then declared no longer an abomination.

The last first. Did or did not God make gentiles clean who had previously been unclean?
Peter explained why he doubted. And he said it three times.

Acts of the apostles 10:14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

Peter as a devout Jew had been taught all his life that certain animals were unclean. He would certainly have doubts if he was suddenly told three times to kill and eat unclean animals.
Like the other guy you too appear to believe that not observing all the dietary laws makes people unclean. See my post to MMK above.

Christ is Lord · Sep 22, 2019

The funny thing about Peter’s vision is that by coming into contact with gentiles they would probably eat their food as well. Plus didn’t Paul permit believers to eat meat sacrificed to idols? I’m not sure we can know whether it was “clean” or “unclean” animals but it’s something to think about.

Christ is Lord · Sep 22, 2019

Elteqay said:
Sorry to tell you, but the the passage where it says in between Mark 7:19-20...<thus he declared all foods clean> is not in Scripture. It was added by only God knows who...and they will stand in judgement for that.

I am always fascinated when people say things like that. Because a text on the surface doesn’t match up or causes problems with your theology we find a way to pass it off as not scripture. But in the same breath will tell unbelievers the Bible is an inspired book and all scripture is good. You can’t have it both ways, folks.

Elteqay · Sep 22, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
I am always fascinated when people say things like that. Because a text on the surface doesn’t match up or causes problems with your theology we find a way to pass it off as not scripture. But in the same breath will tell unbelievers the Bible is an inspired book and all scripture is good. You can’t have it both ways, folks.

You do realize when words or sentences are italicized or in parentheses it has been added by a publisher.

The problem is not the Greek or Aramaic but the translation into English.
You don't believe the Scripture in the Original language is not the inspired Word of God ?

Christ is Lord · Sep 22, 2019

Elteqay said:
You do realize when words or sentences are italicized or in parentheses it has been added by a publisher.

The problem is not the Greek or Aramaic but the translation into English.
You don't believe the Scripture in the Original language is not the inspired Word of God ?

I do believe scripture is the inspired word of God. However, you’re imply at a certain passage in Mark isn’t scripture because it creates a problem for your belief.

klutedavid · Sep 22, 2019

guevaraj said:
Brother, we are full of traditions that are not faithful to the word of God, the Sabbath is no exception.

I am the Lord your God; follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.” (Ezekiel 20:20 NIV)

Jesus spoke about these traditions that contradict the word of God. It was the popes of the Roman apostate church who wanted Sunday to replace the Sabbath. A tradition that was not questioned by the Protestant Reformation due to the founders short lifespan and so many traditions to correct. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I would not say that the first day according to the Hebrew calendar in the time of Jesus. Corresponds to Sunday on a Gregorian calendar as that is impossible, as they are different calendars altogether.

The early church celebrated the risen Christ on the first day as the letters from the second and third centuries declare. It was not the protestants that changed any day nor were the Catholics involved in any change of a day.

One day is a rest day and the other day is the one that Christ rose on.

Just two questions for you.

Do you know why the day in Genesis starts at evening?

Do you know why Israel celebrated the new moon?

guevaraj · Sep 22, 2019

klutedavid said:
I would not say that the first day according to the Hebrew calendar in the time of Jesus. Corresponds to Sunday on a Gregorian calendar as that is impossible, as they are different calendars altogether.

Brother, the weekly cycle is independent of the monthly lunar cycle. There are two types of Sabbaths in Israel: weekly Sabbaths and monthly lunar Sabbaths.

klutedavid said:
The early church celebrated the risen Christ on the first day as the letters from the second and third centuries declare. It was not the protestants that changed any day nor were the Catholics involved in any change of a day. One day is a rest day and the other day is the one that Christ rose on.

My discovery of the first Sabbath kept from morning to morning shows that the excuse for the Sunday tradition of the resurection is invented because Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday. He resurrected on a Saturday night after remembering the Sabbath of Eden and before Sunday.

klutedavid said:
Just two questions for you. Do you know why the day in Genesis starts at evening?

The days in Genesis begin at first light or morning, the evening falls in the middle of the first day. God has much to say about His creating during the light period from morning to evening but He stops creating during the second period of the night, from evening to morning, where He has nothing to report when before He had much to say during the previous period of light every day of creation week.

klutedavid said:
Do you know why Israel celebrated the new moon?

The celebration marks the beginning of a new lunar month. It seems you confuse the monthly cycle with the independent weekly cycle. How the months are determined does not affect the weekly cycle. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

klutedavid · Sep 22, 2019

guevaraj said:
Brother, the weekly cycle is independent of the monthly lunar cycle. There are two types of Sabbaths in Israel: weekly Sabbaths and monthly lunar Sabbaths.

My discovery of the first Sabbath kept from morning to morning shows that the excuse for the Sunday tradition of the resurection is invented because Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday. He resurrected on a Saturday night after remembering the Sabbath of Eden and before Sunday.

The days in Genesis begin at first light or morning, the evening falls in the middle of the first day. God has much to say about His creating during the light period from morning to evening but He stops creating during the second period of the night, from evening to morning, where He has nothing to report when before He had much to say during the previous period of light every day of creation week.

The celebration marks the beginning of a new lunar month. it seems you confuse the monthly cycle with the independent weekly cycle. How the months are determined does not affect the weekly cycle. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The weekly cycle starts after the observation of the new moon in ancient Israel.

The Hebrew calendar is not a solar calendar.

The Hebrew month had 30 days.

1260 days is 3.5 years of 30 day months.

A solar calendar has months with more than 30 days. A solar year contains 365 days whereas a lunar year only has 360 days.

The prophecies are based on lunar years of 360 days not on solar years.

A day in Genesis actually starts in the evening.

You need to do some research on the Hebrew calendar.

klutedavid · Sep 22, 2019

guevaraj said:
Brother, the weekly cycle is independent of the monthly lunar cycle. There are two types of Sabbaths in Israel: weekly Sabbaths and monthly lunar Sabbaths.

My discovery of the first Sabbath kept from morning to morning shows that the excuse for the Sunday tradition of the resurection is invented because Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday. He resurrected on a Saturday night after remembering the Sabbath of Eden and before Sunday.

The days in Genesis begin at first light or morning, the evening falls in the middle of the first day. God has much to say about His creating during the light period from morning to evening but He stops creating during the second period of the night, from evening to morning, where He has nothing to report when before He had much to say during the previous period of light every day of creation week.

The celebration marks the beginning of a new lunar month. It seems you confuse the monthly cycle with the independent weekly cycle. How the months are determined does not affect the weekly cycle. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The ancient Jewish calendar depended not on mathematical calculations and arrangements, but was set from month to month according to the physical appearance of the new moon. Witnesses who had seen the first sign of the crescent on the horizon after sunset were expected to report the fact to the authorities, who thereupon published throughout the country the fact that the new month had begun. (The Pharisees, by Louis Finkelstein, p. 601, Jewish Publication Society, 1938, Philadelphia., based on talmudic literature)

The new month started at the sighting of the new moon. When the month starts the weekly cycle of days begins.

This is not how a solar calendar works as the weekly cycle is a continuous cycle on a solar calendar.

Der Alte · Sep 22, 2019

Elteqay said:
Hold on pops ! Now you're putting words in my mouth I did not say. Shame on you .
No where have I said that not following the dietary instructions, made believers unclean.

Well you certainly must think eating certain foods has some kind of negative affect.

guevaraj · Sep 22, 2019

klutedavid said:
The weekly cycle starts after the observation of the new moon in ancient Israel.

Brother, the weekly cycle was initiated by God and is not based on any celestial event. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Can we find Eden, the biblical site of our origin?

Which is the most correct?

Eden is at the International Date Line

The Sabbath shift at Israel points to the International Date Line

The Sabbath shift depends on your location on the earth

All of the above

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