Whites Need Not Apply

ArmenianJohn said:

It's probably because you're an atheist that you don't understand the Bible. Jesus taught mercy and Grace but Jesus also honored His Justice. He said that he came not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it. Grace is the completion of Justice. At the same time, He makes it clear that God metes out His justice via earthly governmental authority in Romans 13. So, no, Jesus did not contradict nor deny "an eye for an eye"; rather, He taught more upon it. His teaching of Grace wouldn't work if there was no foundation of Justice, i.e. "an eye for an eye'. That's the point of that passage.

It's fine if you choose not to believe in Christianity, but if you're going to argue about it at least understand it correctly first.

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Below is a Christian website that interprets the scriptures Matthew 5:38-42, and it agrees with me and disagrees with you.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 5:38-42 - New International Version

ArmenianJohn said:

Right, you tried to pivot away from my example by making it not about the tech field. No matter... Your response doesn't hold water. The fact that there are places where blacks and browns exist at the professional level doesn't negate the fact that overwhelmingly they are underrepresented in entire fields, most of which are the premium jobs and opportunities.

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I pivoted away from your example because your example does not address what I said. I said you appear to have little experience with black and brown people at the professional level, then I gave examples of what I experienced as a manager, and what I’ve seen other non-whites do as managers. Address that; and quit trying to change the subject.

ArmenianJohn said:

I've been there. Funny you mention Compton of all places. First time I had to go to work in Cerritos I left LAX in my rental car and drove right through Compton, unwittingly. LAPD saw me and gave me a little escort. I didn't think they were, but as I was getting to the on-ramp for the freeway, they pulled up alongside of me and were staring at me so when I looked over at them they said "You have a good day sir, stay safe!" I thought they were getting ready to pull me over but no, they were escorting me till I could get onto the freeway.

What happens when you go to Compton? LAPD escorts you through? Where do you get preferential treatment from LAPD?

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Are you suggesting all white people who go to Compton get this type of treatment by the police? Or were you just fortunate.

ArmenianJohn said:

Because the very low level of racism that whites experience is nothing, that's why. It's always some blowhard whiny dummy that is outraged over everything that fits the description of "white person experiencing racism". Yeah, I have no problem mocking those types right to their face. "Wahhh, the most discriminated against people are white middle-aged christians, wah!!!!" Come on - WEAK. The stupid things they whine about are just so easily mocked.

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Do you know the experiences of all white middle-aged christians in this country? Why do you assume you have the right to speak on their behalf? As I said before; just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

ArmenianJohn said:

I lived 2 years in L.A. In case you're unaware there's a huge Armenian community in that city. Doesn't matter, things are the same there and in the NYC metro and just about anywhere else.

When I go to an economially oppressed, high crime, violent neighborhood which is mostly non-white, police go out of their way to help me and lookout for me. That's "white privilege" - just one example. When I go anywhere in midtown Manhattan, where I work, I get "sir" and all sorts of politeness and special attention that my black and hispanic co-workers don't. When we go out to lunch, all dressed similarly and obviously co-workers, when the bill comes, they give it to me because they think I'm the boss (and I'm not). They talk to me, they ask me the questions. You don't know about white privilege because you're not white and you don't receive it.

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It appears you have privileges that none of the white people I know have. Perhaps there are privileges some black and brown people have that none of the black or brown people you know have.

ArmenianJohn said:

If you want to believe white privilege doesn't exist and that you and other blacks have the same exact opportunities then fine, go ahead and believe it. But if you're going to try to convince me of that you need to back it up with more than your anecdotes.

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How about if you lead by example. If you are gonna insist I provide more than just anecdotes, how about if YOU start providing more than just anecdotes! Practically every point you've made thus far has been anecdotes; nothing backed up by outside sources. Ya need to lead by example bruh!

ArmenianJohn said:

Probably, hopefully lessened, maybe worse. It's not a matter of replacing people so much as replacing processes and policies.

Here is white privilege, revealed.

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(LOL) That was hilarious!

Ken-1122 said:

The end results may be the same as if the institution were racist, but if the institution are just a set of laws and policies, and racist people break those laws and policies in order to enact their biases, how can you call the laws and policies racist? Seems to me, if the institution were actually racist, nobody would have to break it's laws and policies in order to behave in a racist manner.

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What you fail to see is that laws and policies can be racist. Look at the laws and policies
of many local and state governments, and also the federal government itself- for example
its "black-lining" policies that locked decent black people out of decent housing for decades.
And in some cases institutions can be racist, both by practice and by explicit design. For
example some white neighborhood associations were created with the explicit purpose of
blockading blacks from getting better housing, including the explicit use of violence.
How White Housing Riots Shaped Chicago


You say:

"Seems to me, if the institution were actually racist, nobody would have to break it's laws and policies in order to behave in a racist manner."

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You seem to be saying here that if an institution is racist, people should or can just follow
along with its rules and practices. They can't be held accountable for any ill effects-
after all, they are just following the institution's policies. This seems a bit like the same
reasoning some members of the SS killing squads used in WW2 when asked why they
cold-bloodily killed hundreds of thousands of children. They said- they were just following
the orders and policies of their institution. They should not be held accountable for any war
crimes.


Also can you clarify one of your statements- QUOTE:

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Why don’t you come down Rosecrans ave in Compton California and see just how far your “white privilege” will get cha there! They’ll do a Reginald Denny on ya. Yeah I may get harassed by the police when I go there, but at least I’ll live! Can’t say the same for you."

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Are you saying all black people do down in that area is just roam that street
looking for random white people passing to bash their heads in with blunt
objects? Why would a car driven by ArmenianJohn passing thru on a random
weekday suddenly call forth this surge of black people anxious to clean his clock?
Can you explain this special insight about black people and random passing cars?

Ana the Ist said:

How do you think a policy against racial discrimination can be "enforced"?

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Several ways. One is by disciplining workers who don't follow the anti-discrimination
policy. Another is withholding funding for institutions that illegally discriminate- like the
federal government did with some southern hospitals that would not treat black
people. Where polite appeals failed, pocketbook pain talked. Another is providing
dollars to enable policies to be enforced. Some rural school districts for example
spend most of allocated tax money (which included money paid in by black taxpayers)
on white kids, while sandbagging the black children with chump change. Federal aid
to some of these districts provided the cash to build enough schools so that
ALL the children, black or white had a chance at a decent education.

zephcom said:

If your point is that 'institutions' can't be 'racist' because only humans make decisions, then we come back to the fact that humans created the institutions.

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When Stokley Carmichael coined the term “institutional racism” back in the 1960’s, Jim Crow laws were alive and in affect. That was an example of institutional racism because even if you were a non racist police officer, you were required to enforce segregation whether you liked it or not

zephcom said:

If the humans created them in a manner which allows other humans to express their racism over and over and over again, then the institutions themselves ARE racists because racists created them.

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I think it is humanly impossible to create an institution where a racist is unable to impose his biases in secret.

zephcom said:

-My- point is that in America both public and private institutions have largely been created to allow racism to exist. An institution can be created and operated in a manner which resists racism if Americans want them to be made that way.

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Really? How is this possible? Please explain.

HeffersonDavidos said:

Several ways. One is by disciplining workers who don't follow the anti-discrimination
policy.

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Which already happens.

Another is withholding funding for institutions that illegally discriminate- like the
federal government did with some southern hospitals that would not treat black
people.

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What southern hospitals won't treat black people?

Where polite appeals failed, pocketbook pain talked. Another is providing
dollars to enable policies to be enforced. Some rural school districts for example
spend most of allocated tax money (which included money paid in by black taxpayers)
on white kids, while sandbagging the black children with chump change.

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You're saying that these districts aren't funded by property taxes? Where is this?

HeffersonDavidos said:

I don't agree with the last part of your phrasing that "ethnic-minority colleagues have a day once in a while where they get to be in charge." Sounds a bit patronizing.

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I accept the correction. I didn't intend to be patronizing, and perhaps my phrasing could be better. The idea I had in mind is that it helps if people from underrepresented groups are in decision-making positions of power. Ideally, I'd like to see more women and members of ethnic minorities in positions where they're doing the hiring, selecting the conference speakers, overseeing budgets, and so on. In the short term, the occasional conference is a small step forward, and I'm assuming that this particular conference has some members of ethnic minorities in positions of responsibility, in addition to being speakers.

HeffersonDavidos said:

What you fail to see is that laws and policies can be racist. Look at the laws and policies
of many local and state governments,

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Which laws and policies are you referring to?

HeffersonDavidos said:

and also the federal government itself- for example
its "black-lining" policies that locked decent black people out of decent housing for decades.

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Are “black lining” policies still used today? If so explain where and how this is legally done.

HeffersonDavidos said:

And in some cases institutions can be racist, both by practice and by explicit design. For example some white neighborhood associations were created with the explicit purpose of blockading blacks from getting better housing, including the explicit use of violence.

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Where is this done, and which laws promote this?

HeffersonDavidos said:

You seem to be saying here that if an institution is racist, people should or can just follow along with its rules and practices.

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No that’s not what I was saying. I was saying if the institution were racist, and an employed racist wanted to discriminate, he would’t have to go outside the laws of the institution in order to practice his bias, following the laws of the institution would allow him to do it legally.

HeffersonDavidos said:

Also can you clarify one of your statements- QUOTE:


Are you saying all black people do down in that area is just roam that street
looking for random white people passing to bash their heads in with blunt
objects? Why would a car driven by ArmenianJohn passing thru on a random
weekday suddenly call forth this surge of black people anxious to clean his clock?
Can you explain this special insight about black people and random passing cars?

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No, I was just making the point to that person that there are places where if you are white, you have a good chance of being attacked by racist for simply being white.

Ken-1122 said:

Which laws and policies are you referring to?


Are “black lining” policies still used today? If so explain where and how this is legally done.


Where is this done, and which laws promote this?


No that’s not what I was saying. I was saying if the institution were racist, and an employed racist wanted to discriminate, he would’t have to go outside the laws of the institution in order to practice his bias, following the laws of the institution would allow him to do it legally.


No, I was just making the point to that person that there are places where if you are white, you have a good chance of being attacked by racist for simply being white.

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The examples given were historical examples and sure, a racist in a racist institution
has legal cover to do things he wants to do without admin problems. And yes if there
are anti-white racists in an area they will attack you if you are white and they have
the opportunity. That's glaringly obvious. But the picture you paint makes it seem
that black people are just roaming the streets with blunt objects to attack randomly
passing white people in cars. All ArmenianJohn gotta do is pull up to a traffic light
and immediately a swarm of black people appear with heavy objects to bash his
brain out?

Ken-1122 said:

Below is a Christian website that interprets the scriptures Matthew 5:38-42, and it agrees with me and disagrees with you.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 5:38-42 - New International Version

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Your link shows me the passage with no interpretation. Your assessment of Christ's teaching is not correct at all. Matthew 5:17 proves your interpretation WRONG.

Ken-1122 said:

I pivoted away from your example because your example does not address what I said.

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Thanks for admitting it. You are pivoting away from my example because you want to change the discussion, move the goalposts. This thread is based on the OP which is about a symposium in Tech. You want to change it to being about "black and brown people at the professional level" but not in Tech.

Ken-1122 said:

Address that; and quit trying to change the subject.

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How ironic that just after admitting you tried to change the subject by pivoting away from it you tell ME to quit trying to change the subject!!! That's rich! LOL
You're the one changing the subject away from what the OP and thread are about.

If you want to discuss something else you should start a thread about that rather than disrupt this thread.

Ken-1122 said:

Are you suggesting all white people who go to Compton get this type of treatment by the police? Or were you just fortunate.

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What part of my story suggests that "all white people who go to Compton get this type of treatment by the police?" Stop making things up already.

Ken-1122 said:

Do you know the experiences of all white middle-aged christians in this country? Why do you assume you have the right to speak on their behalf? As I said before; just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

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It's a poor approach to demand absolutism. Life doesn't work that way. I don't have to "know the experiences of all white middle-aged Christians in this country" - I know the experiences of most. I have the right to speak my opinion, what makes you think I don't? You want to censor me? Typical.

Funny, it's ironic again that you tell me just because I don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist when in fact that's the attitude you take. You don't get followed in a store in a low-crime community so you assume it doesn't exist. Hypocrite much?

Ken-1122 said:

It appears you have privileges that none of the white people I know have. Perhaps there are privileges some black and brown people have that none of the black or brown people you know have.

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I don't believe that's true for a second; you're 100% wrong.

Ken-1122 said:

How about if you lead by example. If you are gonna insist I provide more than just anecdotes, how about if YOU start providing more than just anecdotes! Practically every point you've made thus far has been anecdotes; nothing backed up by outside sources. Ya need to lead by example bruh!

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I have provided more than anecdotal evidence; I posted the findings of the Brookings Institution. Why do you make things up? You should be trying to find actual evidence for your strange opinions rather than lying about me. But I get it - typical dodge, deflect behavior when you can't actually defend your point with facts. Desperation move.

Hello, @GACfan. Welcome to CF.

GACfan said:

I think it's very comforting to be in a group of other women and talk about what we experience as women, without having the presence of men hanging around or having to deal with some disgruntled men interjecting their personal opinions on what they thinks women should or shouldn't do.

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In a sci-tech symposium, the topic at hand is science and technology. In what context would group identity or personal experience be considered a valuable contribution to the symposium? How would it even relate to the topic at hand? Would it help make advances in science and technology?

HeffersonDavidos said:

The examples given were historical examples and sure, a racist in a racist institution
has legal cover to do things he wants to do without admin problems. And yes if there
are anti-white racists in an area they will attack you if you are white and they have
the opportunity. That's glaringly obvious. But the picture you paint makes it seem
that black people are just roaming the streets with blunt objects to attack randomly
passing white people in cars. All ArmenianJohn gotta do is pull up to a traffic light
and immediately a swarm of black people appear with heavy objects to bash his
brain out?

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It appears you are reading a little too far into my words. My point was that there are places where if you are white, you have a greater chance of being attacked by racists who have a problem with white people.

Ken-1122 said:

It appears you are reading a little too far into my words. My point was that there are places where if you are white, you have a greater chance of being attacked by racists who have a problem with white people.

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Your argument is tantamount to one like this:
"There are places in the world where if you speak English nobody else does and nobody will be able to communicate with you. Therefore, the idea that English is the second most widely spoken language is a myth. Do you think EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the world speaks English???"

ArmenianJohn said:

Your link shows me the passage with no interpretation. Your assessment of Christ's teaching is not correct at all. Matthew 5:17 proves your interpretation WRONG.

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Matthew 5:17 does not speak of “eye for an eye”, it address something completely different. I would appreciate it if you quit trying to change the subject before addressing the subject at hand; your claim that Jesus supports the idea of an eye for an eye.

To make my point I will provide interpretation of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:38-42 the subject at hand. If you disagree with anything I say, explain why you disagree.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
Notice Jesus said “you have heard it was said” so these are not his words, they are the words of other people. IOW eye for an eye is not something that came from Jesus as you claim.

[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
Here in verse 39 Jesus says “do not resist an evil person” To resist would be to challenge; which is what eye for an eye is all about, but Jesus instructions is to offer the other cheek if he slaps you, not slap his cheek if he slaps yours; this is the direct opposite of eye for an eye.

40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
In verse 40-42 Jesus continues with more examples basically saying whatever action somebody takes against you, double that action against yourself! These were the words of Jesus; as you can see they are in direct contradiction of what you said, and in line of what I said.
Now if you disagree with anything I said explain in detail what it is that you disagree with.

I’m kinda surprised other Christians following along haven’t piped in to chastise you for misrepresenting the words of Jesus to further your agenda.

ArmenianJohn said:

Thanks for admitting it. You are pivoting away from my example because you want to change the discussion, move the goalposts. This thread is based on the OP which is about a symposium in Tech. You want to change it to being about "black and brown people at the professional level" but not in Tech.

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You are the one trying to move the goalposts. You were responding to me when I said back on post #115
“it appears you have little experience dealing with black and brown people at the professional level”

Then you replied with how blacks and brown people are under represented in the tech industry. This has nothing to do with what I said, I said nothing about the tech company, or which groups are underrepresented. Now if you do have a lot of experience with black and brown people at the professional level, (the point I was making) SAY SO! If not, admit you don’t and then we can change the subject and discuss the tech companies and who is under represented. Fair enough?

ArmenianJohn said:

What part of my story suggests that "all white people who go to Compton get this type of treatment by the police?" Stop making things up already.

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You mentioned as a white person got special treatment from the police when you went to Compton, then you asked if I as a black person get such treatment. What point are you trying to make by sharing this experience?

ArmenianJohn said:

It's a poor approach to demand absolutism. Life doesn't work that way. I don't have to "know the experiences of all white middle-aged Christians in this country" - I know the experiences of most. I have the right to speak my opinion, what makes you think I don't? You want to censor me? Typical.

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You know most? I doubt it. Of the 330 million US citizens, 75% identify as Christian. If half are male, I doubt you know most. Yes you do have a right to voice your opinion on such an open forum, but if you wish to be taken seriously, you need to do a little better than voicing your opinion with hyperbolic rants.

ArmenianJohn said:

I don't believe that's true for a second; you're 100% wrong.

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What do you base that on? IOW how do you know I’m wrong?

ArmenianJohn said:

I have provided more than anecdotal evidence; I posted the findings of the Brookings Institution. Why do you make things up?.

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What; you talking about 2 or 3 pages ago? (talkin’ about absolutism) I’m not talking about every post you’ve ever made, I’m talking about your last post that I was responding to.

Ken-1122 said:

Matthew 5:17 does not speak of “eye for an eye”, it address something completely different. I would appreciate it if you quit trying to change the subject before addressing the subject at hand; your claim that Jesus supports the idea of an eye for an eye.

To make my point I will provide interpretation of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:38-42 the subject at hand. If you disagree with anything I say, explain why you disagree.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
Notice Jesus said “you have heard it was said” so these are not his words, they are the words of other people. IOW eye for an eye is not something that came from Jesus as you claim.

[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
Here in verse 39 Jesus says “do not resist an evil person” To resist would be to challenge; which is what eye for an eye is all about, but Jesus instructions is to offer the other cheek if he slaps you, not slap his cheek if he slaps yours; this is the direct opposite of eye for an eye.

40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
In verse 40-42 Jesus continues with more examples basically saying whatever action somebody takes against you, double that action against yourself! These were the words of Jesus; as you can see they are in direct contradiction of what you said, and in line of what I said.
Now if you disagree with anything I said explain in detail what it is that you disagree with.

I’m kinda surprised other Christians following along haven’t piped in to chastise you for misrepresenting the words of Jesus to further your agenda.

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No Christian here would chastise me because they all know what I'm talking about.

Here is a good explanation of it:
Answering Biblical ‘Contradictions’: Taking Eye For Eye vs. Turning the Other Cheek
"In Exodus, God laid down the groundwork for civil law, including capital punishment. We are not strangers to this principal today. When a life is taken unjustly, the law may demand life. When you break something that belongs to someone else, you are expected to pay for its replacement. If you injure someone, you are expected to pay for the medical bills related to their recovery.

What Jesus was preaching was not a different approach to the same situation, but a different approach to a different situation. “Turn to them the other cheek also” is admonition against personal vengeance. When Jesus recalls Exodus 21, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye…’”, it’s clear that He understands some may be tempted toward revenge. Legal offenders are still accountable to the law of the land, but on a personal level, Jesus instructs us NOT to respond to insults and other offenses with the same sinful action."

In other words, the difference between Justice on an authoritative level and Grace on a personal level. This is the whole framework for Christianity. You really should learn about Christianity before you argue about it.

Ken-1122 said:

You are the one trying to move the goalposts. You were responding to me when I said back on post #115
“it appears you have little experience dealing with black and brown people at the professional level”

Then you replied with how blacks and brown people are under represented in the tech industry. This has nothing to do with what I said, I said nothing about the tech company, or which groups are underrepresented. Now if you do have a lot of experience with black and brown people at the professional level, (the point I was making) SAY SO! If not, admit you don’t and then we can change the subject and discuss the tech companies and who is under represented. Fair enough?

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I was moving you BACK to the topic of the thread. You brought up "black and brown people at the professional level" as a generic, non-tech-specific issue. But this thread is based on an OP that is about a Tech symposium and my responses have been about underrepresentation in the Tech field. So, you tried to move away from the topic of Tech, which is part of the OP, and I tried to move you BACK to that topic because it is OP. If you want to have a discussion that's not about the OP then start a new thread.

Ken-1122 said:

You mentioned as a white person got special treatment from the police when you went to Compton, then you asked if I as a black person get such treatment. What point are you trying to make by sharing this experience?

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Certainly not a point that "every single white person" gets the same experience or treatment. You're just going back to your absolutism here. Your strategy seems to be that if something doesn't apply 100% across the board then it simply doesn't exist at all.

Ken-1122 said:

You know most? I doubt it. Of the 330 million US citizens, 75% identify as Christian. If half are male, I doubt you know most. Yes you do have a right to voice your opinion on such an open forum, but if you wish to be taken seriously, you need to do a little better than voicing your opinion with hyperbolic rants.

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I didn't say I "know most". Go back and re-read what I said and then when you respond to what I actually said I'll reply to that. But I can't reply to this, where you are making up something I never even said.

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What do you base that on? IOW how do you know I’m wrong?

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Based on how wrong you've been about everything so far and how biased all your claims are.

Ken-1122 said:

What; you talking about 2 or 3 pages ago? (talkin’ about absolutism) I’m not talking about every post you’ve ever made, I’m talking about your last post that I was responding to.

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I'm talking about your post 150 where you ask me "Do you know the experiences of all white middle-aged christians in this country?"

Again, your strategy is very transparent and weak - you want to point out that if something is not 100% the same across the board then it doesn't exist. That's weak and doesn't work. Ironically, you pontificate to me that "just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist" but that's your entire basis for why institutional racism isn't a problem, because you yourself don't see or experience it. And I think you do, but you've chosen a narrative that such experiences don't fit so you block them out or otherwise convince yourself it doesn't exist in your experience.

ArmenianJohn said:

No Christian here would chastise me because they all know what I'm talking about.

Here is a good explanation of it:
Answering Biblical ‘Contradictions’: Taking Eye For Eye vs. Turning the Other Cheek
"In Exodus, God laid down the groundwork for civil law, including capital punishment. We are not strangers to this principal today. When a life is taken unjustly, the law may demand life. When you break something that belongs to someone else, you are expected to pay for its replacement. If you injure someone, you are expected to pay for the medical bills related to their recovery.

What Jesus was preaching was not a different approach to the same situation, but a different approach to a different situation. “Turn to them the other cheek also” is admonition against personal vengeance. When Jesus recalls Exodus 21, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye…’”, it’s clear that He understands some may be tempted toward revenge. Legal offenders are still accountable to the law of the land, but on a personal level, Jesus instructs us NOT to respond to insults and other offenses with the same sinful action."

In other words, the difference between Justice on an authoritative level and Grace on a personal level. This is the whole framework for Christianity. You really should learn about Christianity before you argue about it.

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I was only referring to that one scripture; Matthew 5:38; when Jesus spoke of an eye for an eye. I’m sure you can find countless other scriptures that say different, but in that scripture, Jesus was not advocating for it.

ArmenianJohn said:

I was moving you BACK to the topic of the thread. You brought up "black and brown people at the professional level" as a generic, non-tech-specific issue. But this thread is based on an OP that is about a Tech symposium and my responses have been about underrepresentation in the Tech field. So, you tried to move away from the topic of Tech, which is part of the OP, and I tried to move you BACK to that topic because it is OP. If you want to have a discussion that's not about the OP then start a new thread.

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I never left the topic at hand; I was responding to a comment you made, and in that comment you did not speak of the tech industry so I didn’t respond concerning the tech industry.

Post #79
If a white person told me they didn't take a job because there weren't "enough white people" I'd say they are racist because there are plenty of white people in every job, field, company, position, etc.

Those were your exact words. Notice you said “job” not tech job, and that is because the person you were responding to said job rather than tech job. So when I entered the conversation, that part of the subject had already moved away from specifically the tech industry to any job/industry.

ArmenianJohn said:

Certainly not a point that "every single white person" gets the same experience or treatment. You're just going back to your absolutism here.

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Don’t tell me what you did not mean, tell me what you DID mean when you said as a white person you got a police escort in Compton then asked if I as a black man receives such special treatment.

ArmenianJohn said:

I didn't say I "know most". Go back and re-read what I said and then when you respond to what I actually said I'll reply to that. But I can't reply to this, where you are making up something I never even said.

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I don't have to "know the experiences of all white middle-aged Christians in this country" - I know the experiences of most.

Those were your exact words. My point was; of the millions of white middle-aged christians in this country, I doubt you know the experiences of most. I believe as a white christian male, you are only qualified to speak for yourself.

ArmenianJohn said:

I'm talking about your post 150 where you ask me "Do you know the experiences of all white middle-aged christians in this country?"

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When you listed of the Brookings institute, your reply did not address the point I made, so that doesn’t count.

David Cabrera said:

I wouldn't want to be those whites.
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All I see is a stage picture. Is this picture in the United state. Or some where else. Because it's nothing compared to black slave having to sit on multiple black slaves in a boat. For months, While their only way to go to the bath room. is to go to the bathroom on multiple black slaves. Your photo means nothing to me.

David Cabrera said:

I wouldn't want to be those whites.
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Why not?