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Would that happening cause you to believe that the man who professes to be God really be God?
if not what would he have to do that would convince you ?

It would not convince me, because I am aware of what is possible.

However, with modern video technology it could convince millions around the world.

It is getting more difficult to tell what is real and what is not.

Some people believe everything they see on television, especially when a news reporter tells them it is the truth.

You can show them the truth and prove it with mathematical certainty and they will still call you a liar, because it goes against what they have believed is the truth.

Sometimes the truth is painful, and therefore a lie is more convenient.


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It would not convince me, because I am aware of what is possible.

However, with modern video technology it could convince millions around the world.

It is getting more difficult to tell what is real and what is not.

Some people believe everything they see on television, especially when a news reporter tells them it is the truth.


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The reality is that it doesn't matter if it be real or not -- the result remains the same
 
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Careful you don't get locked into the seminary doctrines. If you ask God for understanding in His Word, He will show you as you discipline yourself in it. Then you won't have to rely on men like Dr. Kenneth Gentry.

I recommend you study Daniel 2 regarding the beast statue image and it's sections. We are shown the 'legs of iron', which was actually the 4th beast kingdom, and symbolized pagan Rome. But for the end, we are shown the feet of ten toes of clay mixed with iron, suggesting a possible revival of the old pagan Roman empire. Yet that is in reality only a pointer to the coming one-world beast kingdom of Revelation 13, because the Dan.2 statue is shown having all pieces together for the end when Jesus comes to smite it upon its feet, and the whole comes tumbling down, and then His everlasting Kingdom is setup. Thus the beast statue actually has 5 pieces to it, not 4. All of those will manifest again, together, for the very end of this world. That is what Dan.2 is revealing.



Yet Jesus gave His Revelation through His Apostle John after the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. Emperor Domitian was in power during John's imprisonment on Patmos, which was around 96 A.D.



Sorry brother, but that's just too much head burying in the sand for me.

pagan imperial Rome = iron legs = 4th Beast of Daniel = Beast of Revelation

iron legs smashed by Rock (Dan 2:34) = Rock of St. Peter and the Church (Matt 16:18) = Christian Conqueror (Rev 19) = Constantine, Christian emperor who defeated the pagan Caesars by Divine Vision at Milvian Bridge on 28 Oct. 312 AD and founded the Christian Byzantine empire which lasted the Prophesied 1000 years as all seven billion humans alive today know well

Humans have been living in the Prophesied, "rail-roaded", "shot-called" End Times since the 15th century AD (Rev 20:7-9)… which is why modern times blatantly looks like the End Times, as opposed to anything resembling "Christian charity & virtue"

As for Patmos in 96 AD, what happened to Sola Scriptura? Does Revelation explicitly affirm the date and Domitian? Or is that the tradition of men?
 
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This is a tired old concept which has no bearing on the future. Preterism is simply fantasy. It is amazing how otherwise intelligent Christians are willing to believe this nonsense. If what they say is true then there should be universal peace and righteousness on earth today (2,000+ years later).
well, thanks for specifying your objection...

but the Christian Millennium (Rev 20:1-6) lasts 1000 years...

and then humanity enters the End Times for a "short time" (presumably less than 1000 years)…

so Constantine to Fall of Constantinople = Millennium (to 1453 AD)
15th century AD to present = End Times
Armageddon "soon" (presumably before the 25th-26th centuries AD)
 
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http://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/ApocalypseCommentaries/Dating/Early/index.html

Irenaeus stated that " ‘he’ was seen . . . towards the end of Domitian’s reign", evidently referring to John the Divine who lived on until around 100 AD.

Tertullian wrote that the Church of Rome was blessed because it was "where Peter endures a passion like his Lord’s; where Paul wins his crown in a death like John’s! where the Apostle John was first plunged, unhurt, into boiling oil, and thence remitted to his island-exile.” IOW, the Apostles Peter & Paul were martyred in 64 AD under Nero who blamed them as the "fall guys" for the Great Fire of Rome... Nero tried to martyr John, as well, but John was saved... like DANIEL, incidentally, and exiled instead to Patmos...

So John was exiled to Patmos in 64 AD, and received the Divine Messages of Revelation thereat soon afterwards...

Jerusalem was still standing when the "transcript" of the Revelation message was written per Rev 11...

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For the record, I'm advocating a partial Preterist interpretation... Rev 20:9+ has still yet to occur... I would guess that Judgement Day will occur within the next 500 years or so
 
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http://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/ApocalypseCommentaries/Dating/Early/index.html

Irenaeus stated that " ‘he’ was seen . . . towards the end of Domitian’s reign", evidently referring to John the Divine who lived on until around 100 AD.

Tertullian wrote that the Church of Rome was blessed because it was "where Peter endures a passion like his Lord’s; where Paul wins his crown in a death like John’s! where the Apostle John was first plunged, unhurt, into boiling oil, and thence remitted to his island-exile.” IOW, the Apostles Peter & Paul were martyred in 64 AD under Nero who blamed them as the "fall guys" for the Great Fire of Rome... Nero tried to martyr John, as well, but John was saved... like DANIEL, incidentally, and exiled instead to Patmos...

So John was exiled to Patmos in 64 AD, and received the Divine Messages of Revelation thereat soon afterwards...

Jerusalem was still standing when the "transcript" of the Revelation message was written per Rev 11...

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For the record, I'm advocating a partial Preterist interpretation... Rev 20:9+ has still yet to occur... I would guess that Judgement Day will occur within the next 500 years or so
John the Divine as you say, IS Apostle John who was exiled to Patmos in 95 AD and is said to have lived until about 99-100 years of age
Quite simply in order to attempt to consider preterism valid they must alter history and refuse to accept apostle John wrote Revelation in 96 AD - to admit it refutes preterism
None of Revelation has occurred yet , though some feel the 'horses are out of the barn'
The millennial reign begins when Jesus has returned , which will be very soon ,
depending on how one addressing judgment since judgment can happen at death and a lot of people will die in the near future - Man is destined to die once then comes judgment,
So in a context Judgment Day can be the Day when Jesus returns - and also there is a Judgment Day when the great white throne judgment occurs
 
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pagan imperial Rome = iron legs = 4th Beast of Daniel = Beast of Revelation

The "legs of iron" did represent the old pagan Roman empire. But it is not the beast of Revelation that our Lord Jesus warned us about, and it's easy to know and verify. The Roman empire didn't have ten concurrent kings with a little horn king, but the final beast system of Revelation 13 & 17 will have. Just that one proof is enough to show Revelation beast is for the very end of this world, and not back in the time of pagan Rome.

iron legs smashed by Rock (Dan 2:34) = Rock of St. Peter and the Church (Matt 16:18) = Christian Conqueror (Rev 19) = Constantine, Christian emperor who defeated the pagan Caesars by Divine Vision at Milvian Bridge on 28 Oct. 312 AD and founded the Christian Byzantine empire which lasted the Prophesied 1000 years as all seven billion humans alive today know well

The stone of Dan.2:34 not made with hands is about our Lord Jesus Christ (the Stone the builders rejected).

Dan 2:42-44
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

KJV

That means the image piece of the feet of ten toes of clay mixed with iron, which is the fourth beast of ten horns in Dan.7, is to be manifest at the very end when Jesus' 2nd coming happens.

And to make sure we don't confuse the time of that, God showed there His Kingdom consuming all other kingdoms with His Kingdom standing forever. That has yet to happen today. It will only happen with Christ's future return.


Humans have been living in the Prophesied, "rail-roaded", "shot-called" End Times since the 15th century AD (Rev 20:7-9)… which is why modern times blatantly looks like the End Times, as opposed to anything resembling "Christian charity & virtue"

As for Patmos in 96 AD, what happened to Sola Scriptura? Does Revelation explicitly affirm the date and Domitian? Or is that the tradition of men?

It is a tradition, see Fox's Book of Martyrs.

Rev.20 has nothing to do with today. Its events haven't even begun yet.
 
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Here is what we read: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

That word "creature" can also mean creation and could have been translated as such.

Strong's Concordance

ktisis: creation (the act or the product)
Original Word: κτίσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ktisis
Phonetic Spelling: (ktis'-is)
Short Definition: creation, creature, institution
Definition: (often of the founding of a city), (a) abstr: creation, (b) concr: creation, creature, institution; always of Divine work, (c) an institution, ordinance.

This is not about man worshiping man at all. It about worshiping false gods (demons) who are identified with the stars of heaven, hence "the host of heaven" (mentioned several times in Scripture). Here is a connection between stars, the host of heaven, and false pagan gods (Acts 7:42,43):

42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
"Remphan" -- they're everywhere, man

Nobody who reads this will afterwards go more than 60 seconds before encountering more symbols of the other-worldly Power of the "Host of Heaven" on "spiritually occupied" Earth... even if looking is not seeing b/c it doesn't consciously register

Earth's theme-song at present is "twinkle twinkle..."
 
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STRONG DELUSION


2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

(send them) in scripture GOD is often said to do that which HE does not prevent (2 Chron 18:18)

Only other use of the word delusion in the Bible


Isaiah 66 King James Version (KJV)

Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

So we see according to the word that the Lord chooses their delusion he does not create the delusion.

Satan has been, for years, creating the DELUSION so that when the man of sin is revealed that the majority of the world will follow him as he has been deluding them all along.


Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Matthew 7:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Remember the parable of the 10 virgins.

Remember a DELUSION (man’s word) is the opposite of the TRUTH (word of GOD)

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The DELUSION (LIE) has to be a belief as Life on this planet is all about believing (worshiping) either GOD or satan.

What is the DELUSION that most Christians today believe, as the Bible says few will find the straight path. Because we are living in the end of time the DELUSION has to be with us now cultivating Christians for satan’s grand finally.

What is this “strong delusion” that most Christians believe today?

Your thoughts please.

I believe I am experiencing a strong delusion. Is there anything I can do now to reverse this and get back to the favour of God? I am in tears day and night.
 
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I believe I am experiencing a strong delusion. Is there anything I can do now to reverse this and get back to the favour of God? I am in tears day and night.

We are in the times of Teshuva leading up to the fall Feast. Teshuva is a Hebrew word for repentance, our Father has called you by name, you know what to do....confess your sins and decide in your heart and mind to get back on the Narrow Path, God will complete the Work He has begun in you.....Pray and Read, Praise and Read, Read and Pray, Read and Praise....Yah keeps your tears in a bottle !
 
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We are in the times of Teshuva leading up to the fall Feast. Teshuva is a Hebrew word for repentance, our Father has called you by name, you know what to do....confess your sins and decide in your heart and mind to get back on the Narrow Path, God will complete the Work He has begun in you.....Pray and Read, Praise and Read, Read and Pray, Read and Praise....Yah keeps your tears in a bottle !

I needed to hear this today so very badly. I thank you so much for your response. I pray the Holy Spirit fills me and brings back a sound mind.

God bless you!
 
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STRONG DELUSION


2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

(send them) in scripture GOD is often said to do that which HE does not prevent (2 Chron 18:18)

Only other use of the word delusion in the Bible


Isaiah 66 King James Version (KJV)

Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

So we see according to the word that the Lord chooses their delusion he does not create the delusion.

Satan has been, for years, creating the DELUSION so that when the man of sin is revealed that the majority of the world will follow him as he has been deluding them all along.


Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Matthew 7:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Remember the parable of the 10 virgins.

Remember a DELUSION (man’s word) is the opposite of the TRUTH (word of GOD)

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The DELUSION (LIE) has to be a belief as Life on this planet is all about believing (worshiping) either GOD or satan.

What is the DELUSION that most Christians today believe, as the Bible says few will find the straight path. Because we are living in the end of time the DELUSION has to be with us now cultivating Christians for satan’s grand finally.

What is this “strong delusion” that most Christians believe today?

Your thoughts please.

delusion is deception - and we are deceived by many things ... in the end times there will be many many strong deceptions by satan and his minions.

2nd Corinthians 11:14

14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

delusion/deception started with Eve in the garden of eden.

We are deceived all the time.

Genesis 3:13 “And the LORD God said to the woman, 'What is this you have done?' The woman said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I ate.'”
 
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delusion is deception - and we are deceived by many things ... in the end times there will be many many strong deceptions by satan and his minions.

2nd Corinthians 11:14

14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

delusion/deception started with Eve in the garden of eden.

We are deceived all the time.

Genesis 3:13 “And the LORD God said to the woman, 'What is this you have done?' The woman said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I ate.'”


Only other use of the word delusion in the Bible

Depends on which english translation(s) one is using.
When you research the hebrew and greek words ... it appears many time.
 
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