Olivet Discourse and Revelation...Worldwide Global or Regional

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There is a similar thread here, but I decided to create a new thread and adding a Poll
The tribulation will be world wide
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Question.............
Do the events described in Daniel, the Olivet Disourse and Revelation concern the entire Global world or a certain Region in the world.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com

Matthew 24:
6 “And you will hear of battles and rumors of battles. See that you are not troubled;
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
8 “All these are the beginning of sorrows.”
Mark 13:
7 “But when you hear of battles and rumors of battles, do not be troubled;
for such things must happen, but the end is not yet.
8 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles.
These are the beginnings of sorrows.”
Luke 21:
9 “But when you hear of battles and commotions/tumults, do not be terrified;
for these things must come to pass first, but the end is not immediate.”
10 Then He said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
11 “And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences;
and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.”
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Luke 21:31 Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing These-things becoming ye are knowing that nigh/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God.

James 5:8
be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,

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Revelation 1:1

An unveiling of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him, which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
That the Time is nigh<1451>.
The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Hallelujah and Its Hebrew Meaning - Israel Study Center
“Hallelu” (הללו) and “Yah” (יה).


Revelation 19:
1 After these I hear as a great sound of a vast throng in the heaven, saying,
"HalleluYah! the salvation and the glory and the honor, and the power of our God;
2 That true and righteous His judgings, that He judges the great harlot who corrupts the earth in Her whoredom, and avenges<1556> the blood of His bond-servants out of Her hand".
3 And a second time they have declared<4483> "HalleluYah! and the smoke of Her is ascending into the ages of the ages!"
4 And fall the twenty four Elders and the four living-ones,
and they worship to the GOD the One sitting upon the Throne, saying, "Amen! HalleluYah!"
5 And a Voice came out from the Throne saying: "Be ye praising to the GOD of us, all ye bond-servants of Him, and those fearing Him, the small and the great".
6 And I hear as sound of a throng, much, and as a sound of waters, many, and as sound of thunders, strong saying: "HalleluYah! that reigns Lord the God *of-us, the Almighty".
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Our Lord now retired to the Mount of Olives, to which place the disciples followed him, in order to make more particular inquiries relative to the time when the calamitous events, foretold by him, would come to pass.

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Jesus created the universe, he knew that there would be people in the colononiest like the americas and the australias etc ;) So when he returns he will ensure that every eye will see him.

How he does this is irrelevent.
 
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Mat_11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mat_12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Mat_12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Mat_23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mar_8:12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
Mar_13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luk_7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
Luk_11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
Luk_11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Luk_11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Luk_11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Luk_11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
Luk_17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Nuff Said.
 
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Jesus created the universe, he knew that there would be people in the colononiest like the americas and the australias etc ;) So when he returns he will ensure that every eye will see him. How he does this is irrelevent.
Tell that to the Jews of today.
What did Jesus mean when he said "every eye will see him"?
There is a thread on the CCT board from a Preterist view [I am preteist btw].
I just found it doing a google search on that topic [and I have since added more commentaries from a Preterist view:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab&sxsrf=ACYBGNSYN-rIOBDPgQwuJi5aCZASAKT_9g:1568218963738&source=hp&ei=Ux95XZmwKYiQsAXy5piYCw&q=every+eye+will+see+him+bible+preterists&oq=every+eye+will+see+him+bible+preterists&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1559.15490..15831...1.0..0.347.5091.11j26j2j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131j0j35i39j0i22i30j33i299j33i160.mPUfc8tMWsA&ved=0ahUKEwjZpYrylsnkAhUICKwKHXIzBrMQ4dUDCAc&uact=5

Every Eye Shall See Him (Full Preterism)

Will the second coming of Christ entail a 5'5"-7" Jewish man (common male height of the time) appearing in the skies above Jerusalem that every man, woman, and child will witness across the whole globe?

Or did Jesus mean something else? How long did the disciples stare stedfastly into the clouds and empty skies in Acts 1:10? 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour or longer? The text only states stedfastly.

Please remember that Jesus ministered on earth during the Last Days - Hebrews 1:2; 1 Peter 1:20

And He shed His blood and died for us on earth at the End of the Age - Hebrews 9:26

Were these the Last Days of the material universe? Or the Last Days of the Mosaic Covenant? Was this at the end of the world? Or the end of the Jewish Age?

Have the Last Days run for nearly 2,000 years now? Has the End of the Age run for nearly 2,000 years now?

Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but desire fulfilled is a tree of life.

Seeing the Son of Man

Those who pierced Jesus lived in the first century. This helps explain Revelation 1:7 where the same wording is used. Those who "see" Him are "those who pierced Him" (cf John 19:7). John is telling us that those who pierced Jesus experienced His covenant wrath. Revelation 1:7 must refer to a pre-A.D. 70 fulfillment, before that generation passed away (Matthew 16:27-28; 24:34).

"Every eye, and those who pierced Him, shall see him" - The subject of the text is "the people of the land," viz. Judea; and it would be a direct misinterpretation, as well as false logic, to strain a term beyond its subject, by applying it to the final judgment of all. That all men shall see Him, we learn from other scriptures (2 Cor. V. 10); [the partial preterist writer of this piece has misinterpreted himself - see Hebrews 9:27] but we must deal faithfully with the text, and not force any word in order to make out a case. Truth never requires this. That the land of Judea, in the prophetic sense, is the subject, is evident from Zech. XII. 10; from which the words are taken, both here and in John XIX. 37.


"Those who pierced Him" are obviously those who had a hand in His death. The text declares that they shall see Him, employing for seeing the verb optomai, already noticed, as not limited to ocular seeing. Though those who pierced Him saw not His person after ascension, yet they saw His power bringing judgment on them, and making His cause prevail inspite of their persecution, and they speedily saw their kingdom terminated.

James Glasgow (1872)

Equating "seeing" with "understanding" is a common Biblical metaphor. In John 12:40 Jesus quotes Isaiah 6:10 to explain why some have not believed His message. Notice how "seeing" is equivalent to "understanding."

"Render the hearts of the people insensitive, their ears dull, and their eyes dim, lest they see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and repent and be healed." Isaiah 6:10

In quoting Isaiah, Jesus states Yahweh "has blinded their eyes" (John 12:40). This is not a physical blinding. The blinding is spiritual. To be blind is not to understand; to see is to understand and believe. "To open their eyes" is an expression used by Biblical writers to describe recognition and understanding (Acts of the Apostles 26:18 cf 1 Kings 8:29, 1 Kings 8:52; 2 Kings 2:16; 2 Kings 6:20; 2 Kings 19:16; Isaiah 35:5; Isaiah 42:7; Isaiah 42:16). The eyes of the disciples "were opened" by Jesus and "they recognized Him." (Luke 24:31) is another example of equating "seeing" with "understanding." David Chilton summarizes the text for us: "The crucifiers would see Him coming in judgment - that is, they would understand that His coming would mean wrath on the land (cf the use of the word "see" in Mark 1:44; Luke 17:22; John 3:36; Romans 15:21)."

David Chilton, Days of Vengeance

"And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky, to the other." Matthew 24:31

Immediately after the destruction of Jerusalem, God began to shake down the world (Matthew 24:29). The nations began to recognize Christ as King (24:30). In context, in verse 31 does not refer to the end of the world. Rather, it speaks of the spread of the Gospel in the nations.
Every Eye Shall See Him | Don K. Preston | Preterist Archive

Every Eye Shall See Him

How Will Every Eye See Him? - Biblical Thinking with Dr Andrew Corbett

HOW WILL EVERY EYE SEE HIM


After years of studying the Book of Revelation, I have become persuaded of the Classical Preterist Position. One of the first objections raised against Preterism (often confused with Hyper-Preterism, or, ‘Pantellism’) is based on Revelation 1:7. Which says that when Christ ‘comes’, ‘every eye will see Him.’ Opponents of Preterism offer what they think is a death-blow to Preterism with this apparent ‘knock-out’ verse. As a Preterist, I have to admit, if their interpretation of this verse is correct, Preterism can not be true. Therefore, how we understand this verse will either destroy the validity of Preterism or, could it possibly validate it?
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Mat_11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mat_12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Mat_12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Mat_23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mar_8:12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
Mar_13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luk_7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
Luk_11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
Luk_11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Luk_11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Luk_11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Luk_11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
Luk_17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Nuff Said.
Thank you for bringing up the "this generation" verses.
Have you and/or others seen this thread I created on it?

"THIS GENERATION" in Bible

Note: You are able to change your vote in this poll.

I would like to primarily focus on the phrase "this generation" that is used in the Bible.

I want to post verses just from the Olivet Discourse and discuss them 1st.

The phrase uses 3 greek words instead of 2:


The generation, this-one.

h genea auth

Here are the verses using the transliterated greek:


Matthew 24:34
Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one,
till ever all these may be becoming.
amhn legw umin ou mh parelqh h genea auth
ewV an panta tauta genhtai

Mark 13:30
Amen I am saying to ye not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one
unto of which any these all may be becoming
amhn legw umin oti ou mh parelqh h genea auth
mecriV ou panta tauta genhtai

Luke 21:32
“Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one, till ever all things may be becoming.
amhn legw umin oti ou mh parelqh h genea auth

ewV an panta genhtai

Which "generation" and what people is Jesus referring to in Olivet Discourse
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You can view my Olivet Discourse harmonized here:

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

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Matt 24:1 Temple, Buildings
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Matt 24:2 "stone upon stone
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Matt 24:3 When shall these be?and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end of the Age?
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Matt 24:4-5 For many shall be coming upon My name, saying,‘I AM the Christ....
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Matt 24:6 Wars rumors of Wars

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Matt 24:7-8 , nation, kingdom against nation, kingdom; quaking, famines
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Matthew 24:9 " they shall be delivering ye up in to tribulation and shall be killing ye, hated by all"
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Matt 24:10 Deliver up one another---brother to death
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Matt 24:11, 12 False prophets.....multiplied lawlessness...love grows cold
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Matt 24:13 One enduring to end shall be saved
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Matt 24:14 Gospel preached, testimony to all nations----then the end
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Matt 24:15 Abomination desolation....desolating of Jerusalem.
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Matt 24:16 those in Judea flee
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Matt 24:17, 18 Those on Housetop---in the field
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Matt 24:19 "woe to those pregnant and nursing in those days"
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Matt 24:20 pray flight not in winter or sabbath
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Matt 24:21 great tribulation, great distress, and wrath
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Matt 24:22 Days shortened for sake of elect
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Matt 23:23-25 False christs and prophets--deceive the elect if possible
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Matt 24:26 He is in the desert, in the storerooms.
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Matt 24:27 Lightening flashes from east, so shall parousia of the Son of Man
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Matt 24:28 Where the eagles/vultures, there the corpse/carcass/body be
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Matt 24:29 Signs in sun, moon, stars, powers of heavens shaken
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Matt 24:30 Son of Man coming upon cloud/s of heaven with power and much glory
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Matt 24:31 Gather elect in trumpet sound from 4 winds of heaven/s
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Matt 24:32 Fig tree ripe, summer is nigh
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Matt 24:33 Nigh is upon doors, Kingdom of God
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Matt 24:34 Not shall be passing this generation till all fulfilled
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Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth pass away, but not My words
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Matt 24:36 Concerning day and hour, no one knows except Father
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Matt 24:37-39 As in Days of Noah, thus also shall be Son of man
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Matt 24:40-42 2 will be in the field, two will be grinding----1 taken, 1 left
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Matt 24:43-44 Homeowner be wathchful, not knowing which hour Son of Man coming

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Tell that to the Jews of today.
What did Jesus mean when he said "every eye will see him"?
There is a thread on the CCT board from a Preterist view [I am preteist btw].
I just found it doing a google search on that topic [and I have since added more commentaries from a Preterist view:

What relevence does 'tell that to the jews today' have?
There are only two types of people in the world.-
Christians and non christians.

What does every eye will see him mean?

It means that when he/Jesus comes again.
Then every person alive at that time will see he arriving in the sky.
As to how that will happen, I've no idea.
 
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Thank you for bringing up the "this generation" verses.
Have you and/or others seen this thread I created on it?

Here is another verse which I thought you might like to consider.

1 Jn. 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,
when he shall appear,
we shall be like him;

for we shall see him as he is.
 
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Here is another verse which I thought you might like to consider.
1 Jn. 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,
when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Good verse.........

Psalm 82:5
Not they know, and not they are understanding. In darkness they are going about, all of foundations of land are slipping. 6 I, I said gods/'Elohiym ye are and sons of the Highest/'elyown all of ye'; 7 Surely as adam ye shall die! And as one of the princes, ye shall fall! 8 Arise thou god/Elohiym! judge thou the land!, that Thou shall allot in all the nations. [John 10:34-36]

John 10:33
The Judeans answered to Him
"About an ideal work not we are stoning Thee; but about blasphemy,
--and that Thou a man being, art making thyself a god.
34 Jesus answered them "Is not it is having been Written in the law of ye that I say 'I said gods ye are'? 35 If those He said gods toward whom the Word of the God became and not is able to be broken/annulled the Writing 36 whom the Father hallows and commissions into the World ye are saying that 'Thou are blaspheming' that I said 'Son of the God I am'"

Revelation 16:21 "..great HAIL fell on men as a talent weight.." Josephus

Revelation 16:21
And Hail great as talent-weight/talantiaia <5006> is descending out of the Heaven upon the Men, and the Men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it/her, tremendous. [# 5464 used in Ezekiel 38:22]


Luke 20:
34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
35 “But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 “nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus
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The tribulation will be world wide
How do we KNOW there's going to be a Tribulation in the first place? Revelation was written for the leaders of churches persecuted under Nero as a metaphorical/allegorical piece.
Interesting info.

Was the whole global world darkened at Christ's crucifixion? Or just the land around around Judea/Jerusalem?


Matthew 27:
45 From yet sixth hour darkness<4655> became upon all the Land till hour of the ninth.
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then behold! the veil of the Sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom; and the land quaked, and the rocks were split,

Mark 15:
33 And becoming yet of sixth hour darkness<4655> became over the whole Land till hour of ninth.37And Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and breathed His last.
38 Then the veil of the Sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom.

Luke 23:
44 Was yet hour, sixth and darkness<4655> became over the whole Land til hour of ninth.
45 And darkened<1587> the sun, and is rent the veil of the Sanctuary midst.

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Where would Satan's throne have been in pre-70ad?

Revelation 2:13
"I know your works and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. You hold firmly to my name, and didn't deny my faith in the days of Antipas my witness, my faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

Revelation 16:10
And the fifth messenger pours out the bowl of him upon the Throne of the wild beast and became the Kingdom of it having been darkened<4654>
and they gnawed the tongues of them out of the misery.
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
Rapture refuted

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism
The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70
TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM A MILITARY POINT OF VIEW
POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological


CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70
 
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Jesus said, "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come" (Mat. 24:14, NIV). The gospel of the coming kingdom would be preached as a testimony to all the nations in the "world".

That word world is oikoumene, and means “inhabited or civilized world,” not the entire planet. It is the same Greek word used in Luke 2:1: “Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the INHABITED EARTH.” The census wasn't taken of the whole planet. It meant the Roman Empire.
 
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Jesus said, "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come" (Mat. 24:14, NIV). The gospel of the coming kingdom would be preached as a testimony to all the nations in the "world".
That word world is oikoumene, and means “inhabited or civilized world,” not the entire planet. It is the same Greek word used in Luke 2:1: “Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the INHABITED EARTH.” The census wasn't taken of the whole planet. It meant the Roman Empire.
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Here is a thread created by another member:

OIKOUMENE (#3625) - (w00t!)
The Greek word "oikoumene" is translated "the inhabited Roman world".
The Greek word is a preterists sheer delight as I will demonstrate now.
Here are NT verses in which this Greek word occurs:
And a thread I created :

"OIKOUMENE"(#G3625) In Olivet Discourse and Revelation. Mistranslated?

And the word that is the focus of this thread: "OIKOUMENE"<3625>

Definition from Greek resources:

3625 oikoumene
feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by implication, of 1093);
land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire:--earth, world.........
STRONGS NT 3625: οἰκουμένη
οἰκουμένη, οἰκουμένης, ἡ (feminine of the present passive participle from οἰκέω (namely, γῆ; cf. Winers Grammar, § 64, 5; Buttmann, § 123, 8));
1. the inhabited earth;
a. in Greek writings often the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in distinction from the lands of the barbarians, cf. Passow, ii., p. 415a; (Liddell and Scott, under the word, I.).
b. in the Greek authors who wrote about Roman affairs (like the Latinorbis terrarum) equivalent to the Roman empire: so πᾶσα ἡ οἰκουμένη contextually equivalent to all the subjects of this empire, Luke 2:1.

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

3625 mentioned 15 times including 3 in Revelation


oikoumenhV <3625>
Luke 4:5, Romans 10:18, Revelation 3:10, Revelation 16:14.
oikoumenh <3625> Matthew 24:14, Luke 21:26, Acts 19:27
oikoumenhn <3625> 8 times Luke 2:1, Acts 11:28, Acts 17:6, 31, 24:5, Hebrews 1:6, Hebrews 2:5, Revelation 12:9.

One interesting fact I found out is, that #3625 is used in only 4 verses of the Gospels:
1 in Matthew and 3 in Luke.

I will post 2 of the verses, both of which are used in the 70AD Olivet Disourse using the KJV and NASB, as they appear to be 2 popular Bible versions and also use different greek texts.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Used in only 1 verse of Matthew:

Matthew 24:14

New American Standard Bible
"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world<(oikoumenē)<3625> as a testimony to all the nations,
and then the end will come.
King James Bible
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world<(oikoumenē)<3625> for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.


Luke 21:26

New American Standard Bible
men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world/<(oikoumenē)<3625>;
for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
King James Bible
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth/οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē)<3625>:
for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

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Was the whole world/earth to be enrolled, including Germany, Egypt, Asia, NYC, Paris..........?

exact form of #3625 used in Revelation 12:9

Luke 2:
1 And it came to pass in those days, there went forth a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world<3625> be enrolled --
2 this enrollment first came to pass when Cyrenius was governor of Syria --

3 and all were going to be enrolled, each to his proper city,
4 and Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, that is called Bethlehem, because of his being of the house and family of David,
5 to enroll himself with Mary, his betrothed wife being with Child.

Act 11:28
and one of them, by name Agabus, having stood up, did signify through the Spirit a great famine is about to be throughout all the world<3625> -- which also came to pass in the time of Claudius Caesar --


exact form used 4 times Acts, 2 in Hebrews and 1 in Revelation 12:9
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