Failed Attempt at Counseling.

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Well, Meyerjd, I do hope that you find God's will in all of this.

Your story reminds me of the actual incident Jesus had with the woman who was caught in adultery and every one wanted to stone her to death till Jesus told them something which they did not want to hear relative to them ALL being in the same condition out there on that level ground. Praise God, they appropriately responded. They could have just as easily stoned Jesus for seemingly defending her. But that was not His intent.

The Bible does make an allowance for divorce if conviction of offense(s) and forgiveness cannot be found. I will say that a lot of times Christian counselors will advise a separation if both parties are willing to work it out with professional help as it appears you two are. We Christians are commanded to exercise a higher love than the world.
We are no longer primarily citizens of this world and should be transforming our minds to that of God's; both of which we are told/instructed in Scripture. Since we are Christians our scope or purview of love transcends the highest form of love of which the world is capable; that worldly love, known as Phileo love and being as good as it is, is also " a negative shallow love, natural and exclusive and conditional."

Pasted from <Four Kinds of Love; Eros, Agape, Phileo & Storge>





God's, Christian love, Agape love, transcends Phileo love and is unconditional. Worldly (Phileo) , love demands tit for tat, 50/50 relationships, feels justified in holding grudges, demands a possessiveness in the relationship, is more concerned with surface or observable evidences than deeper evidences, and so on. Agape love does none of those.

"Agape-Is more of a parental, mature, sacrificial kind of love. The Thayer Lexicon describes agape beautifully when it says “to take pleasure in the thing, prize it above all other things, be unwilling to abandon it or do without it.” In a way it is as idealistic as Eros, in that it is a crazy love that will not let go. Agape loves, usually at cost to the bearer. Agape puts the beloved first and sacrifices pride, self interest and possessions for the sake of that beloved. This is the love that God has for us which inspired him to sacrifice His son and for His son to obey and sacrifice himself. It is the kind of love we are commanded to have for one another. It is a love of supreme greatness".

Pasted from <Four Kinds of Love; Eros, Agape, Phileo & Storge>



Marriage, I think, is like a slow, close dance which neither partner has done before. Toes get stepped on, movements are made in non-harmonious fashion, one is listening to the pronounced drum beat and the other the quiet entry on the up beat of the violin, one thinks things are going in one direction and the other another, and so on. But they continue to hold on to each other and gaze into each other's eyes reassuredly and lovingly, and lean into each other paying more careful attention to harmonize their differences toward becoming intermingled unto the intimacy of becoming "one flesh." Whew! Thank you Lord for that!I do hope that the presence of God will bless your heart and clear your mind to know what He would have you do. If a divorce is the only alternative then rest assured, I do not judge you for that. I only think that we should be slow to head for that. You DO need to employ whatever it takes to protect yourself and the children, possibly a separation or her voluntary entrance into an inpatient therapy residence or both. Remember that even though God hates divorce He also hates pride and a LOT of other things, including adultery, which He forgives very regularly and abundantly, but He does demand repentance, a behavior change. People forget His imperative command to the woman caught in adultery after she received His forgiveness; to go and not to repeat that sin again. This is a message to all of us, I think. As I have shared, I was once (for over 20 years) counseled by well-meaning Christians and Christian counselors to obey Ephes 5:25 and other verses intended to keep a marriage together and ended up in a very bad place. But having been a child of a very hostile divorce I know what that can do to a child, also. So all I can ask of you is to consider moving slow. After my parents divorce and we finally were free of our father's abuse my loving mother died only months later in her 30's and the state let our father immediately grab us 4 children and imprison us into a wife and child beating alcoholic's tyranny and abuse. The divorce didn't do any good to protect us. It actually worsened our abuse and caused additional trauma. May the Lord bless your path.
 
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My wife and I have been married for 19 years now. The last 5 have been very rough. My wife had three affairs in that time. One resulted in a pregnancy/abortion. She also has chronic health problems. After all of this, she finally agreed to attend couseling. We selected a Christian Counselor together. When we went to the appointment, she refused to speak to the counselor or me for the entire hour. When we got up to leave, she began to punch me over and over. She broke my glasses, which cut my face. When we got out to the parking lot, she refused to let me in the car. I tried walking home, since I was too ashamed to call a friend for a ride. I ended up needing to call someone. The appointment was 20 miles from our home. Needless to say that was our attempt at counseling. I don't believe in divorce, so I don't think things will change. Just getting harder to deal with all of this.

You wife is deeply disturbed.

She punched you after counseling. She didn't let you in the car. She's cheating on you.

There is nothing morally wrong with physically separating from your spouse. She can give you an STD. It's only going to get worse.

It's only going to get worse.
 
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You wife is deeply disturbed.

She punched you after counseling. She didn't let you in the car. She's cheating on you.

There is nothing morally wrong with physically separating from your spouse. She can give you an STD. It's only going to get worse.

It's only going to get worse.
I never thought of STD but that is probably cause I assumed that they weren't having sex. I know for a fact, for some at least, that when trust is absent in a marriage so is sex. Itimacy, of any type, demands trust.
 
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I know there isn't much people can say about this, and that's ok. I feel better just getting my story out.

There is One who is qualified to give you council and that is God. Diligently seek Him in all things and a path will be lit up for you. I’m so sorry to hear about all this abuse from your wife. It sounds like she’s using you and there is no marriage in this situation.
You say you don’t believe in divorce but the Bible also speaks about it. In fact, God divorced Israel in the Old Testament. But did God give up? He sure didn’t and sent His Son to die in place of all. God made an interesting situation using Hosea and a prostitute and had them marry each other. They were polar opposites but if you read Hosea, you will see God was making a point of how He felt and publicized it for Israel to see and understand.

I’m not saying divorce is the answer here, I don’t know God’s plan for you. I’m just saying ask God and seek Him. He is truly the best Councelor and is one of His many titles.:yellowheart:
 
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There is One who is qualified to give you council and that is God. Diligently seek Him in all things and a path will be lit up for you. I’m so sorry to hear about all this abuse from your wife. It sounds like she’s using you and there is no marriage in this situation.
You say you don’t believe in divorce but the Bible also speaks about it. In fact, God divorced Israel in the Old Testament. But did God give up? He sure didn’t and sent His Son to die in place of all. God made an interesting situation using Hosea and a prostitute and had them marry each other. They were polar opposites but if you read Hosea, you will see God was making a point of how He felt and publicized it for Israel to see and understand.

I’m not saying divorce is the answer here, I don’t know God’s plan for you. I’m just saying ask God and seek Him. He is truly the best Councelor and is one of His many titles.:yellowheart:
I know there isn't much people can say about this, and that's ok. I feel better just getting my story out.
Meyerjd, God gave you a brain and I think He means for you to use it. Your WW has no respect for you or your beliefs. Moreover, you seem to be playing the Pick Me game, a tack that rarely works. She is gaslighting you, and possibly the counselor. Start a 180 now and see a lawyer.
 
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My Now husband and I both stayed in abusive marriages a lot like yours. Me for 15 years, him for 10. Both of us came close to dying from the injuries, and the constant stress of being in an unwinnable situation which will eventually ruin your health and drive you nuts. Both of us wish we had got out sooner. We put our heads in the sand and thought our children were okay but realise now how much they knew about the situation. They have all been badly affected and we regret the misguided loyalty to our spouses that led us to stay in toxic marriages. When one partner has totally abandoned the marriage in this way, there is nothing to save except yourself and your children.
 
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