Do you have to be a good servant to be saved?

Do you have to be a good servant to be saved?

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They were not told to do good works. They were told ''to do the will of the father''.

''21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.''

What is the will of the father?

''For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.''

Which brings us right back to the definition of the Greek word pisteuo which is translated to believe in the English language. Which as I pointed out the definition implies a level of faithfulness, trustworthiness, fidelity, and loyalty. Do you believe these qualities are not necessary for a believer?
 
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Yes I did read your post.

I don't care what the Catholic church teaches and reject their claim as an authority.

Peter was not the rock the church is built on referenced to at caesarea philippi,Jesus is.

You completely missed the point I was making. It had nothing to do with Peter at all. My point was that evil will not prevail over Jesus’ church. I specifically asked you that question. The seat of Peter and the papal line of succession is a Roman Catholic claim that is preposterous. Peter established many churches including the church in Antioch which refutes Roman Catholic doctrine and papal supremacy.
 
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Have you read the OP and the TREAD?

It does not seem to me to be about eternal salvation.

Perhaps you could show an example post about eternal salvation that I missed ?


Don't be scared Jeff,just search within.

If you were to die tonight, how sure are you you'd go to heaven?
 
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Luke 12
And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time? 43 Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. 44 Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 45 But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; 46 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

I voted no ... because the OP says Do you have to be a good servant to be saved.

That suggests works.

If you have been saved you will become a good servant by the Holy Spirit working in you ... fruit of the spirit.
 
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Don't be scared Jeff,just search within.

If you were to die tonight, how sure are you you'd go to heaven?
As Jesus is /was as written/ a man of sorrow acquainted with grief,

likewise the lack of truth and the widespread misunderstanding that opposes Jesus but is accepted by so many

causes grief and sorrow in me for others, not fear.

No, do not search within - that is directly opposed to Jesus Word.

Rather seek to hear the Shepherd's voice, to learn from Him, and follow Him.
 
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I voted no ... because the OP says Do you have to be a good servant to be saved.

That suggests works.

If you have been saved you will become a good servant by the Holy Spirit working in you ... fruit of the spirit.
"21His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

22The servant who had received the two talents also came and said, ‘Master, you entrusted me with two talents. See, I have gained two more.’

23His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

24Finally, the servant who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Master, I knew that you are a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So in my fear, I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what belongs to you.’

26‘You wicked, lazy servant!’ replied his master. ‘You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed. ......

30And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’"
 
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You completely missed the point I was making. It had nothing to do with Peter at all. My point was that evil will not prevail over Jesus’ church. I specifically asked you that question. The seat of Peter and the papal line of succession is a Roman Catholic claim that is preposterous. Peter established many churches including the church in Antioch which refutes Roman Catholic doctrine and papal supremacy.


What has this got to do with salvation?
 
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Good Day, Daniel

The will of the Father for Jesus was/is:

John 6 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day

He always does the will of the Father with out fail... checkmate, game over.

In Him,

Bill

What is the definition of the Greek word thélēma (G2307)?

1) what one wishes or has determined shall be done a) of the purpose of God to bless mankind through Christ b) of what God wishes to be done by us

1) commands, precepts

2) will, choice, inclination, desire, pleasure

The same word is also used in 1 Timothy 2:4 except in the verb form instead of the noun form (thélō G2309)

“who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Has God decreed that all men will be saved and come to the knowledge of truth? No but it is His desire that they would. The same could also be said about God’s will or desire that Jesus should lose none.

As for John 6:37 are you aware that the Greek word érchomai (G2064) that is translated to comes or cometh is ONLY used in the present and imperfect tense?

cometh


G2064


Lemma:

ἔρχομαι


Transliteration:

érchomai


Pronounce:

el'-tho


Part of Speech:

Verb


Language:

greek


Description:

1) to come a) of persons

1) to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning

2) to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public

2) metaph. a) to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence b) be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto

3) to go, to follow one


Grammar:

middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred (middle voice) , or (active) , which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively):--accompany, appear, bring, come, enter, fall out, go, grow, X light, X next, pass, resort, be set.

So verse 37 is saying all that The Father give Him will come to Him and the one that presently and continuously comes to Him, He will not cast out. Now what did Jesus say about those who do not abide in Him in John 15:6?

“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown (cast) away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:6‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Now those who do not abide in Christ are not presently and continuously coming to Him are they? Hence they are cast away to wither and cast into the fire to be burned.
 
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Which brings us right back to the definition of the Greek word pisteuo which is translated to believe in the English language. Which as I pointed out the definition implies a level of faithfulness, trustworthiness, fidelity, and loyalty. Do you believe these qualities are not necessary for a believer?


All the above is just your onion and commentary.

I use the KJV as my interpretation and final authority. That's my personal method.
 
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What has this got to do with salvation?

The point is if reformed theology is the gospel taught by the apostles where is the church that taught it before 1600 AD? You said that the “Catholic Church” killed anyone who opposed their teachings. So you are implying that for the first 1600 years of Christianity evil did in fact prevail over Jesus’ church which I have shown you that Kesus specifically said evil will not prevail over His church.
 
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All the above is just your onion and commentary.

I use the KJV as my interpretation and final authority. That's my personal method.

Of course because the KJV was translated by reformed theologians who used the Geneva bible for 60% of its translations which was a reformed translation as well. I thought you wanted the true gospel not the diluted version. If you want the true teachings I suggest you try a more accurate version like the ASV or NASB or even better a Greek interlinear version. Then you will see word for word what the author’s of the scriptures actually wrote instead of what someone preferred the scriptures to say.
 
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The point is if reformed theology is the gospel taught by the apostles where is the church that taught it before 1600 AD? You said that the “Catholic Church” killed anyone who opposed their teachings. So you are implying that for the first 1600 years of Christianity evil did in fact prevail over Jesus’ church which I have shown you that Kesus specifically said evil will not prevail over His church.


Jesus' church is a community not a denomination,so his people have always been around regardless of oppression.

What makes you think the Catholic Church has the authority it claims to have?
 
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"21His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

22The servant who had received the two talents also came and said, ‘Master, you entrusted me with two talents. See, I have gained two more.’

23His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

24Finally, the servant who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Master, I knew that you are a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So in my fear, I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what belongs to you.’

26‘You wicked, lazy servant!’ replied his master. ‘You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed. ......

30And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’"

The three were servants (slaves) ... two were faithful (serving out of faith - not afraid) one was not (serving out of fear - afraid)

It's about motive. Serve out of love not fear.
 
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The three were servants (slaves) ... two were faithful (serving out of faith - not afraid) one was not (serving out of fear - afraid)

It's about motive. Serve out of love not fear.
Who did Yahweh reward -
the good servants who DID GOOD,
or the bad servant who DID NOT DO GOOD ?
 
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Well that is not what the Bible says on how to get to heaven:

''29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.''


This is Paul speaking. He says to be saved you need to believe. He didn't mention a Eucharist or water baptism or confession,just believe.
"If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."
Jesus speaking. Scripture is an organic whole and must be read in that light, along with the historic understanding of the church God established for the purpose.
"Daniel C, post: 74313666, member: 414880"]'For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.''
Yes, and so fortunately God gives us the grace of the New Covenant to overcome sin, as we choose to remain in partnership/communion with Him.
 
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"If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."
Jesus speaking. Scripture is an organic whole and must be read in that light, along with the historic understanding of the church God established for the purpose.
I believe purely and totally that
trusting in the heavenly Father's understanding and revelation of Ekklesia called according to His Purpose
is much better for life
than history is.
 
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"If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."
Jesus speaking. Scripture is an organic whole and must be read in that light, along with the historic understanding of the church God established for the purpose.

Yes, and so fortunately God gives us the grace of the New Covenant to overcome sin, as we choose to remain in partnership/communion with Him.


Whats commandments is he talking about?
 
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Jesus' church is a community not a denomination,so his people have always been around regardless of oppression.

What makes you think the Catholic Church has the authority it claims to have?

What authority are you referring to?
 
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