Sanders unveils $2.5 trillion 'Housing for All' plan

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We have something called Apple health here for mentally ill low income. It's in Washington state.

Yes I have schizophrenia and only recently have meds become available that don't have too many terrible side effects. They have me on Rexulti (it's the new Abilify, which causes mild weight gain), which is a super med compared to the other 5 meds I've tried. Mostly just slept all day on those meds. Completely disabled compared to Rexulti and Abilify. But not everyone's chemistry can handly Rexulti and Abilify. Luckily I could :)
That's wonderful that it's working for you.

Sanders has a valid idea but as @Albion pointed out, demanding money from people is against the american way. But I also think the american population has a responsibility to care for the disabled, and as you indicated, a lot of them are homeless, so it can be moral to institute housing for them :)
Bah! Taxes is the way to pay to make society tolerable. Dog eat dog is not the way to go, imo.
 
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The argument against it is that that kind of housing attracts "undesirable" people to the neighborhood (as though they would just disappear without it).

Donald's solution is to get more police involved. He doesn't say what comes after that.

Trump administration exploring police crackdown on homeless people

Interestingly, the police in my city have a social worker that works with the homeless guy that I help and they actually provided him with free housing for a while. So while a Trump administration "crackdown on homeless people" sounds really rotten, they're doing good stuff here :)
 
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Why couldn't we use closed down military bases for the homeless? They would have housing, kitchen facilities, etc. They could work there for in exchange for everything being free. There must be several closed bases around the country and since most homeless seem to have no connections in a particular city, they could go anywhere. The Feds have doctors and others who could work with them right where they live.
 
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No, I meant "moral" with reference to using government power to confiscate the personal property of the citizenry in order to satisfy a fascination that only certain people have. And of course, Sanders and Warren are blowing smoke when they claim that everything they are claiming they are going to give people--free--can be paid for by "taxing the rich."

It's still theft if Congress or the Executive confiscates assets of some people for a scheme that is not clearly a matter of the national need. We have come to the point in this country that people think that if voters choose Mr. X, he has carte blanche to take whatever money he chooses from whomever he chooses, merely because he was elected to a legislature.
Well I don't know what that kind of "morality" is based on, but it's certainly 100% opposite of Biblical morality.

The Bible says clearly in Romans 13 that the government has the right to be paid taxes by the citizenry and use that money to adminster justice. Not a single thing immoral about it, going by Christianity. I suppose it's not moral when measured against the "morality" of the American capitalist religion, where mammon rules, though.

Now, if you have a problem with how the government spends the taxes it rightfully collects from the citizenry, then you're lucky that we have a system which lets you have a voice, but what the government legislates becomes the law of the land and that system too is morally correct, even if you disagree with how they spend.
 
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Why couldn't we use closed down military bases for the homeless? They would have housing, kitchen facilities, etc. They could work there for in exchange for everything being free..
Well, it's because most of the homeless don't want these facilities, to be moved there, required to do anything for the benefits they receive, to be supervised, to stop using drugs or not come and go as they wish, etc.

All that is being suggested here with the best of intentions has been proposed before, and both the homeless and the benighted city governments have said it is oppressive to the homeless, that they have a right to live where and how they want, etc. etc. :sigh:

You don't have those "rights" but they do.
 
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Bernie Sanders unveils $2.5 trillion plan to guarantee housing for every American.
Sanders said the plan would “guarantee every American — regardless of income — a fundamental right to a safe, decent, accessible, and affordable home” and would be paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners.
“There is virtually no place in America where a full-time minimum wage worker can afford a decent two bedroom apartment. At a time when half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck, this is unacceptable,” he said. “For too long the federal government has ignored the extraordinary housing crisis in our country. That will end when I am president.”

The prosperity gospel is very very dangerous and deceptive, yes.
 
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Why couldn't we use closed down military bases for the homeless? They would have housing, kitchen facilities, etc. They could work there for in exchange for everything being free. There must be several closed bases around the country and since most homeless seem to have no connections in a particular city, they could go anywhere. The Feds have doctors and others who could work with them right where they live.

It’s nice thinking but unfortunately, military bases tend to suffer from the same issue a lot of American cities suffer from, you need an automobile to function in it. The homeless don’t have cars so while a nice city for the homeless in an old military base sounds good, it would be poor functioning. This issue was so bad the Pentagon researched ways to alleviate the problem a few years ago (more for health factors rather than people on the base didn’t have cars). Building a Better Military Base - CityLab
 
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Well, it's because most of the homeless don't want these facilities, to be moved there, required to do anything for the benefits they receive, to be supervised, to stop using drugs or not come and go as they wish, etc.

All that is being suggested here with the best of intentions has been proposed before, and both the homeless and the benighted city governments have said it is oppressive to the homeless, that they have a right to live where and how they want, etc. etc. :sigh:

You don't have those "rights" but they do.
Sure you do. If you want to live in a cardboard box down some alley, go for it.
 
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Hasn't he already used the wealth tax for something else? perhaps not.

Both Sanders and Warren need to have their teams list all their proposals and costs, and all their sources of income.

We would also be able to evaluate the reasonableness of their numbers. For example, I believe that Bernie promises that our prescriptions drug cost will be limited to $200 a year, and he will get there through tough negotiating. Any shortfall in such negotiating will be paid by the taxpayer, directly or indirectly.
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Democrats favor bold proposals. Paying for them might change their minds.

We have Medicare for all, $200 max for prescription drugs, free college, government paying back of student debts, government paying back of medical debt, huge expensive climate programs, and major infrastructure programs. How many have I missed?

The only one of the above that I support is a major commitment to spending on infrastructure.

It may be early, but my prediction is that Sanders won't win any states except perhaps for Vermont.

Perhaps you missed this part: "...and would be paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners"?
 
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Well, it's because most of the homeless don't want these facilities, to be moved there, required to do anything for the benefits they receive, to be supervised, to stop using drugs or not come and go as they wish, etc.

All that is being suggested here with the best of intentions has been proposed before, and both the homeless and the benighted city governments have said it is oppressive to the homeless, that they have a right to live where and how they want, etc. etc. :sigh:

You don't have those "rights" but they do.

it's because most of the homeless don't want these facilities

Did most homeless people tell you that?

to be moved there

It's often scary for even the more fortunate amongst us to move to a new place.

required to do anything for the benefits they receive

Says who? It's uncharitable to assume the homeless are simply lazy. In fact, I imagine being homeless takes more work than most of us have ever experienced.

to be supervised

No adult likes to be supervised at all times.

to stop using drugs

The disease of addiction doesn't want to stop using drugs. The heart and soul of the human being certainly does, and with help they can.

not come and go as they wish

Why would they have to live essentially as prisoners? For the crime of homelessness?
 
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it's because most of the homeless don't want these facilities

Did most homeless people tell you that?
They've told that to social workers, city administrators, and the media.

to be moved there
It's often scary for even the more fortunate amongst us to move to a new place.
Agreed. So that reason for the homeless not to want to accept such offers is not in dispute here.

required to do anything for the benefits they receive
Says who? It's uncharitable to assume the homeless are simply lazy.
No assumptions are involved...and I said nothing about "lazy," just unwilling.

to be supervised
No adult likes to be supervised at all times.
Again, no disagreement.

to stop using drugs
The disease of addiction doesn't want to stop using drugs.
And no disagreement here.

not come and go as they wish
Why would they have to live essentially as prisoners? For the crime of homelessness?
Homelessness is not a crime and it is not as a prisoner that anyone lives in such a facility as was suggested earlier in this thread. Even a hotel has some regulations about people coming and going in the middle of the night, whether all doors are unlocked twenty-four hours a day, if there are any employees on duty around the clock to handle emergencies, etc.
 
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Perhaps you missed this part: "...and would be paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners"?

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But they're our job creators, asking them to live on $20million a year instead of $22million a year is just cruel and unusual punishment.

You have to remember, making sure they're as rich as humanly possible is the best way to make everyone else's lives better. What we really need to be doing is making sure they each get even more money...that way we can all hang back and just wait for the trickle to come down
</sarcasm>
 
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Even a hotel has some regulations about people coming and going in the middle of the night, whether all doors are unlocked twenty-four hours a day, if there are any employees on duty around the clock to handle emergencies, etc.
Every hotel and motel I have ever stayed at allowed guests to come and go at all hours of the night.
 
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The argument against it is that that kind of housing attracts "undesirable" people to the neighborhood (as though they would just disappear without it).

Donald's solution is to get more police involved. He doesn't say what comes after that.

Trump administration exploring police crackdown on homeless people
Prisons. Have them do slave work for a couple of years, then throw them out with a criminal record and a measly amount of money and reel them back in once they blow through it. Hold up the 1% that make it to demonstrate your success.

My suggestion would be to have every american pay a flat amount of money each year to stay out of prison. It, and the money the slaves make, can be given as subsidies to the biggest corporations.
 
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With his other proposals, doesn't this take Sanders over the 100 Trillion dollar amount for increasing the national debt?

And against this, the Congressional Democrats had protested that President Trump permitted a 1 Trillion dollar increase in the national debt. :doh:

On the campaign trail, the main directive is "tell them what they want to hear and tell them it's free."
Not if taxes go up.
 
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I couldn't imagine being the sort of Christian or person who would reject housing people in order to keep the rich richer.

I guess it's considered government tyranny in the form of theft of people's hard-earned money if the richest of the rich only get to have tens of millions in their bank account instead of hundreds of millions.

Pardon me while I, a lower middle class man who works 48 hours a week on average, sheds a tear for those who won't be able to afford solid gold toilets anymore in order to that more people can live under a sturdy roof instead of the filthy underpasses of highways, exposed to the elements, every night from now on in this country.
 
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Bernie Sanders unveils $2.5 trillion plan to guarantee housing for every American.
That will last for about a week before they turn it into a rat infested ghetto slum.
 
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Not if taxes go up.
It looks like I was too cautious in my previous post when estimating the cost. From what I have gleaned since then, the tab will be more like 140 Trillion. The national debt is currently around 22 Trillion. This means that there is not enough money available in the form of taxes unless the Middle Class is crushed. I am against doing that.
 
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