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Jesus did create Lucifer. You said it yourself.
"and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."


Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

I realize you have a problem with the world "all."---but it is very clear, Jesus is the creator of all.
all
[ôl]
PREDETERMINER
  1. used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing.
    "all the people I met" · "she left all her money to him" · "10 per cent of all cars sold" · "he slept all day" · "carry all of the blame" · "four bedrooms, all with balconies" · "the men are all bearded"
    synonyms:
    each of · each one of the · every one of the · every single one of the · every · each and every · every single · the whole of the · every bit of the · the complete · the entire · the totality of the · in its entirety · complete · entire · total · full · utter · perfect · all-out · greatest (possible) · maximum · everyone · everybody · each/every person · the (whole) lot · each one · each thing · the sum · the total · the whole lot · everything · every part · the whole amount · the total amount · the entirety · the sum total · the aggregate
    antonyms:
    no · none of the · little · none · nobody · nothing
    • any whatever.
      "he denied all knowledge" · "assured beyond all doubt"
    • used to emphasize the greatest possible amount of a quality.
      "they were in all probability completely unaware" · "with all due respect"
    • informal
      dominated by a particular feature or characteristic.
      "an eleven-year-old string bean, all elbows and knees"
    • the only thing (used for emphasis).
      "all I want is to be left alone"
    • (used to refer to surroundings or a situation in general) everything.
      "all was well" · "it was all very strange"
      synonyms:
      each one · each thing · the sum · the total · the whole lot
      antonyms:
      none
    • US
      dialect
      consumed; finished; gone.
      "the cake is all"
ADVERB
  1. used for emphasis.
  2. (in games) used after a number to indicate an equal score.
    "after extra time it was still two all"
NOUN
alls (plural noun)
  1. the whole of one's energy or interest.
    "giving their all for what they believed"
Of definition:

used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation
a man of noble birth.

Our origin is God the Father of spirits.

By definition:

a: in conformity with
acted by the rules
b: ACCORDING TO
called her by name
sold by the pound

He acted in the Father's will to form all things temporal.
 
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Of definition:

used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation
a man of noble birth.

Our origin is God the Father of spirits.

By definition:

a: in conformity with
acted by the rules
b: ACCORDING TO
called her by name
sold by the pound

He acted in the Father's will to form all things temporal.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Heb_11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus created Lucifer.
 
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Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Heb_11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus created Lucifer.
Sure, Jesus created God the Father and Himself also. Isn't that amazing. Or could it be that we have always existed?
 
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Sure, Jesus created God the Father and Himself also. Isn't that amazing. Or could it be that we have always existed?

If you ever stop believing JS and BY you will discover you have a brain and you will actually use it! That is such a dumb thing to say. It's been said over and over---God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit--One God from everlasting to everlasting---divine, uncreated. Jesus created Lucifer, He created all the angels, He created us. He is no brother to Satan. And neither are we.
 
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If you ever stop believing JS and BY you will discover you have a brain and you will actually use it! That is such a dumb thing to say. It's been said over and over---God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit--One God from everlasting to everlasting---divine, uncreated. Jesus created Lucifer, He created all the angels, He created us. He is no brother to Satan. And neither are we.
You said "If you ever stop believing JS and BY you will discover you have a brain and you will actually use it"

Actually I do have a brain and I do use it. I read the scriptures every day. I know that Jesus is in the express image of the Father and that He was the firstborn of every creature:

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 4)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
(New Testament | Colossians 1:10 - 19)

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

How was Jesus Christ the firstborn of every creature? How is Jesus in the express image of the Father's person. What is the Father's person?
 
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I believe that your definition for the word "ordinance" is not a full one. The third or fourth definition could be "what is handed down" or "traditions". But the most prevalent definition of the word "ordinance" is:
Ordinances. Like other Christian churches, Pentecostals believe that certain rituals or ceremonies were instituted as a pattern and command by Jesus in the New Testament.
OR
Ordinance is a term for religious rituals whose intent is to demonstrate an adherent's faith. Typical examples include baptism and communion, as practiced in the Christian traditions such as Anabaptists, all Baptist churches, Churches of Christ groups, and Pentecostal churches.

So the full definition would be religious rituals handed down from leaders of the faith for the intent to demonstrate an adherent's faith. Can also be a tradition of the church to do these things.

Which means that the fuller or first definition of the word "ordinance" is exactly what Mormons think. What were the "ordinances" that Paul handed down to the Corinthians?
παραδόσεις (paradosis) — 13 Occurrences found in Scripture.
The KJV had the most common usage of the word (12 of 13) as: tradition
That should answer your latest question as to what and also verifies that Paul was not advocating Mormonism thinking.

Matthew 15:2
KJV: transgress the tradition of the elders?

Matthew 15:3
KJV: by your tradition?

Matthew 15:6
KJV: by your tradition.

Mark 7:3
KJV: holding the tradition of the elders.

Mark 7:5
KJV: according to the tradition of the elders,

Mark 7:8
KJV: ye hold the tradition of men,

Mark 7:9
KJV: ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13
KJV: through your tradition, which

1 Corinthians 11:2
KJV: keep the ordinances, as

Galatians 1:14
KJV: zealous of the traditions of my

Colossians 2:8
KJV: after the tradition of men,

2 Thessalonians 2:15
KJV: hold the traditions which

2 Thessalonians 3:6
KJV: after the tradition which
 
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You said "If you ever stop believing JS and BY you will discover you have a brain and you will actually use it"

Actually I do have a brain and I do use it. I read the scriptures every day. I know that Jesus is in the express image of the Father and that He was the firstborn of every creature:

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 4)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
(New Testament | Colossians 1:10 - 19)

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

How was Jesus Christ the firstborn of every creature? How is Jesus in the express image of the Father's person. What is the Father's person?


The Biblical Meaning of the “Firstborn”. “Firstborn” may also mean the greatest or least of individuals or even things. Above all, “firstborn” can refer to several aspects of the nature and role of Jesus Christ – and our identity with the One who is the ultimate firstborn.
Reference: www.livingwithfaith.org/blog/the-biblical-meaning-of-the-firstborn

Jesus is the top of the food chain, the firstborn heir of all that is firstborn, He is the meaning of being Number One--His is the EXPRESS IMAGE--of God.
The word "express" (charackter) means the very stamp, mark, and impression—the very reproduction of God. Jesus Christ is the perfect imprint and very image of God’s nature. The word "image" (hypostasis) means substance. Not only is Jesus Christ’s God’s spokesman, He is God Himself—the full revelation and complete embodiment of God!
arious versions translate it in different ways: “the very image of his substance” (ASV), “an exact representation of his very being” (Rhm), “flawless expression of the nature of God” (Phillips), “stamped with God's own character” (Moffat), “the copy of his being” (Beck), “the exact representation of God's nature” (Swindoll), “the exact expression of God's nature” (Stibbs), “the impress of the Divine Nature” (F.B. Meyer), and “the exact expression of God's very essence” (Barclay). This wide assortment of translations derives from two key Greek words in this title. The, first of these is the word character, which is closely related to the verb charasso, meaning “to cut, to scratch, or to mark.” Originally this word referred to a marking agent, such as a die, and then later to the impression made by the marking agent. It is similar to the English word “stamp,” which first referred to the instrument which printed the impression and later to the impression itself. It suggests the idea of an exact representation of the person or the person himself-that is, the distinguishing features or traits by which a person or thing is known (cf. the English word “characteristics”).
The Image Of God

He is not a cookie cutter image of God---one of many--His is God. The very same as God. We are made in His image, Jesus is the very same, exact God. Father, Son, Holy Spirit---One God, the same.
 
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παραδόσεις (paradosis) — 13 Occurrences found in Scripture.
The KJV had the most common usage of the word (12 of 13) as: tradition
That should answer your latest question as to what and also verifies that Paul was not advocating Mormonism thinking.

Matthew 15:2
KJV: transgress the tradition of the elders?

Matthew 15:3
KJV: by your tradition?

Matthew 15:6
KJV: by your tradition.

Mark 7:3
KJV: holding the tradition of the elders.

Mark 7:5
KJV: according to the tradition of the elders,

Mark 7:8
KJV: ye hold the tradition of men,

Mark 7:9
KJV: ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13
KJV: through your tradition, which

1 Corinthians 11:2
KJV: keep the ordinances, as

Galatians 1:14
KJV: zealous of the traditions of my

Colossians 2:8
KJV: after the tradition of men,

2 Thessalonians 2:15
KJV: hold the traditions which

2 Thessalonians 3:6
KJV: after the tradition which
OK, so the Greek word is 'paradosis'. Did our KJV scholars not realize that this Greek word is not 'ordinances', but should be translated 'traditions'? How could they possibly miss such an easy translation?
It doesn't seem to be rocket science. The word 'ordinances', certainly is different than 'traditions'. What's the deal?
 
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The Biblical Meaning of the “Firstborn”. “Firstborn” may also mean the greatest or least of individuals or even things. Above all, “firstborn” can refer to several aspects of the nature and role of Jesus Christ – and our identity with the One who is the ultimate firstborn.
Reference: www.livingwithfaith.org/blog/the-biblical-meaning-of-the-firstborn

Jesus is the top of the food chain, the firstborn heir of all that is firstborn, He is the meaning of being Number One--His is the EXPRESS IMAGE--of God.
The word "express" (charackter) means the very stamp, mark, and impression—the very reproduction of God. Jesus Christ is the perfect imprint and very image of God’s nature. The word "image" (hypostasis) means substance. Not only is Jesus Christ’s God’s spokesman, He is God Himself—the full revelation and complete embodiment of God!
arious versions translate it in different ways: “the very image of his substance” (ASV), “an exact representation of his very being” (Rhm), “flawless expression of the nature of God” (Phillips), “stamped with God's own character” (Moffat), “the copy of his being” (Beck), “the exact representation of God's nature” (Swindoll), “the exact expression of God's nature” (Stibbs), “the impress of the Divine Nature” (F.B. Meyer), and “the exact expression of God's very essence” (Barclay). This wide assortment of translations derives from two key Greek words in this title. The, first of these is the word character, which is closely related to the verb charasso, meaning “to cut, to scratch, or to mark.” Originally this word referred to a marking agent, such as a die, and then later to the impression made by the marking agent. It is similar to the English word “stamp,” which first referred to the instrument which printed the impression and later to the impression itself. It suggests the idea of an exact representation of the person or the person himself-that is, the distinguishing features or traits by which a person or thing is known (cf. the English word “characteristics”).
The Image Of God

He is not a cookie cutter image of God---one of many--His is God. The very same as God. We are made in His image, Jesus is the very same, exact God. Father, Son, Holy Spirit---One God, the same.
This is not proof that God is one and the same. The Bible tells a different story.:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:26)

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
 
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OK, so the Greek word is 'paradosis'. Did our KJV scholars not realize that this Greek word is not 'ordinances', but should be translated 'traditions'? How could they possibly miss such an easy translation?
It doesn't seem to be rocket science. The word 'ordinances', certainly is different than 'traditions'. What's the deal?


He passed on what Jesus said to---the Lord's supper, the foot washing, baptism, they were to take care of widows and orphans, the anointing of the sick, gathering together in praise, worship and singing, teaching from the scriptures, telling everyone about Jesus and His coming back to claim us for eternity.
 
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This is not proof that God is one and the same. The Bible tells a different story.:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:26)

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

But we are not the "Express image"--only His Son is.
 
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He passed on what Jesus said to---the Lord's supper, the foot washing, baptism, they were to take care of widows and orphans, the anointing of the sick, gathering together in praise, worship and singing, teaching from the scriptures, telling everyone about Jesus and His coming back to claim us for eternity.
Thank you, this is right. The Lord's supper, the foot washing, baptism, the laying on of hands, and I will add marriage, are all ordinances that are necessary for one to receive salvation. Taking care of widows and orphans, annointing of the sick, gathering in praise and worship and singing and teaching from the scriptures and missionary work are all good works that were, before given for us to do. That is why Paul said that we must keep them. Now the question is, do our churches do these same things today?
 
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But we are not the "Express image"--only His Son is.
Explain the difference between 'express image', and 'we are created in God's image and likeness'?

And if Jesus, who thousands have seen, is the 'express image' of the Father, is the Father in the 'express image' of Jesus?
 
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OK, so the Greek word is 'paradosis'. Did our KJV scholars not realize that this Greek word is not 'ordinances', but should be translated 'traditions'? How could they possibly miss such an easy translation?
It doesn't seem to be rocket science. The word 'ordinances', certainly is different than 'traditions'. What's the deal?
Correct, it isn't rocket science. The deal is Mormonism twisting 1 Scripture to promote something that is not Biblical.

As far as the KJV scholars is concerned … maybe it's not their scholarship that should be in question. Rather you'd be best to place the suspicion of error where it belongs … Mormonism.
 
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Explain the difference between 'express image', and 'we are created in God's image and likeness'?

And if Jesus, who thousands have seen, is the 'express image' of the Father, is the Father in the 'express image' of Jesus?


Jesus is the one and only completely true image and substance as God. He now has humanity in the mix and is also more like us now. They were one shared substance, Jesus is now human also which the Father has none of.
 
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If you were to say that to someone of another denomination, how would you expect them to react?

I've been told that myself as many think we follow EGW instead of the bible. We do not. But our doctrines do not come from her and your doctrines do come from JS.
 
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Did you notice that they (the Gods) were speaking one with another.

No, not at this time:

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

This is said to the Son:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
 
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