The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

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Christians acting hypocritically is not a rational justification for rejecting the doctrine that is the foundation for Christianity.
Maybe not but thy have a hard time justifying themselves against the will of God over the will of man, the ideal behind Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom.
 
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People should not want, and should leave, churches that are just all about political stuff.

They should want God, not 'conservative' or 'liberal' politics.
Check out the documentary spoken of in the thread here... 'The Family'
 
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isagree. Liberals, especially activist liberals, are taking over churches. Now, the fair question is what ordinances and traditions are cast out when that happens. Are certain things permissible afterwords that were not before?
A large denomination in Canada once had a website similar to this where a 'minority group' basically joined and took over the content. Why? Because they knew the church was supposed to love all and forgive and they would be accepted. They used this to their advantage. As a result the website was eventually abandoned due to the catch 22 situation they found themselves in once the 'Christian group' became more interested in flaunting their personal ways than following the church.
 
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A large denomination in Canada once had a website similar to this where a 'minority group' basically joined and took over the content. Why? Because they knew the church was supposed to love all and forgive and they would be accepted. They used this to their advantage. As a result the website was eventually abandoned due to the catch 22 situation they found themselves in once the 'Christian group' became more interested in flaunting their personal ways than following the church.

We literally have two of these very similar situations in my own city.
 
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I could have told you this years ago. Nothing has made religion less desirable to me than when it gets involved in politics.
I miss Calvin and Hobbs!
 
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But how a group acts compared to what they preach does impact many peoples decision. I know it did mine, back when I thought Christianity was one big group.
A lot of groups preach and act certain ways.

Did you ever find one that preaches Christ Crucified, and acts accordingly ? (lives as Jesus says to live, as He teaches ALL the disciples, His sheep, to live )
 
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We literally have two of these very similar situations in my own city.
So called human rights have been a stumbling block, not to bigots but those who wish to befriend without condoning behaviour, especially within a Christian setting. It is hard to draw a line when rights now rule over responsibility. The Adversary is flexing the same muscles as in the Garden.
 
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That hasn’t been my experience. I’m a conservative believer who frequently attends Jewish synagogues. We get along well.

This is an issue of respect and decorum. Differences needn’t lead to disrespect or discord. Courtesy and kindness go a long way.
 
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Why don't we just tell the truth here? People are leaving Christianity or rejecting it straight away because teachings on homosexuality and all things LGBT, abortion and euthanasia, and in some instances (especially my church) female ordination, etc won't change no matter how hard they kick, scream, cry, and shout science and sexist bigot etc.

I will agree that right wing Protestant Christianity in the US leaves a lot to be desired. Their denial of climate change, support for blow hard, insensitive, foul mouthed adulterers like Trump, lack of compassion for immigrants, lack of compassion for the poor and supporting policies that keep the poor down and the rich up, is troubling.

But the former and not the latter is really why people have issues with Christianity. Not too many people are too ignorant to believe otherwise.

I think there could have been room for conservative Christians to maintain and exercise these religious views in a manner that didn't turn off most of society the way that they did. They could've said "we think practicing homosexuality is wrong" and left it at that, but instead, they spent decades demonizing homosexuals, lying about their impacts on human psychology and on the stability of the family. They could've denied women leadership positions in the church without taking a sexist, paternalistic tone in virtually every other facets of life. They even lost some of the moral high ground (assuming they ever had it) on run-of-the-mill heterosexual extra-marital sex when they essentially shunned the whole "consent" movement.


Disagree. Liberals, especially activist liberals, are taking over churches.

Got any data on that? AFAIK, liberal denominations are dying.
 
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they spent decades demonizing homosexuals, lying about their impacts on human psychology.

Witches too, but they eventually learned to lay low and not flaunt themselves. A good lesson for all mankind.
 
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This is hogwash. I attend a very conservative evangelical church. I have never once hear the pastor or any member of his staff vilify the sinner.

There are idiots out there masquerading as pastors who preach hate and are not preaching the Gospel at all (e.g. Westborough Baptist Church comes to mind immediately). Those people are lunatic fringe and they do not represent the truth of the Gospel or the majority of the religious right. They are painted as if they are the majority but they are not. This notion that the religious right is driving people away from church is the equivalent of shooting the wrong messenger. Truth is truth, sin is sin, and those crazies are not the religious right.


Someone who believes abortion is an individual human right or homosexuality is just how they were born will be offended by someone saying that these things are a sin against God. It is that offense, offense to the reality of sin that is driving people away from some churches, not "the religious right".
 
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This article looks at the trend that has been happening in American politics.

The Christian Right Is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

Mostly due to the Christian Right involvement in politics.



Which does lead to a larger issue, that houses of worship as no longer places where both sides in American politics can come together. There are fewer and fewer such places where liberals and conservatives can meet, and without them I can't see the current trend reversing.

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It's ok. The Most High God is communicating with His remnant without the need for institutions and organizations. People who are His will come to Him; the New Covenant guarantees He will put His Law and Statutes on our hearts and minds so much so that we won't have to ask our neighbors who He is.

On the other hand, those who cause another to stumble - especially leaders and teachers - will be judged harsher than those who leave the "church".

Though, I doubt the dissolution is due to Republican extremism in politics; the institution has been toxic for centuries.
 
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Those people are lunatic fringe and they do not represent the truth of the Gospel or the majority of the religious right. They are painted as if they are the majority but they are not.
You mean in the same way as Muslim fanatics?

This notion that the religious right is driving people away from church is the equivalent of shooting the wrong messenger. Truth is truth, sin is sin, and those crazies are not the religious right.
It's true. The RR fills arenas instead and teach power comes from God in order to get what you want. All this can be yours if you sell your soul to the concept of the power of positive thinking. Of course a few sins are thrown in as absolute proof whose side they are on. The left of course is another story with differing self serving agendas.
 
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I think it’s generally more subtle than individuals being pushed out. Christ commanded us to care for the poor, the sick, the stranger, the prisoner, and the widow. But evangelical churches don’t call people out from the pulpit or in private over not doing those things. Instead they focus on “sexual sins.” To a liberal, that just looks like bigotry.

Actually most evangelical churches focus on homosexuality and not so much on other sexual sins. I've seen a morally inconsistent pattern emerge among many evangelical Christians over the years and that is many of these Christians are divorced and remarried (once or twice or more) or many of the Christian men (including pastors) within the evangelical churches are addicted to inappropriate contentography.

We have these Christians judging and condemning homosexuals when their own lives and churches are plagued with other sexual sins like lust, fornication and adultery. And ironically enough, the majority of these Christians politically support and defend a twice divorced adulterer (in his third marriage to his former mistress) and well known womanizer as their prized and beloved President.

If these Christians want to cast stones at homosexuals, then they had better be prepared for some pushback and reminders of their own sins. Those who live in glass houses should not thrown stones.
 
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Actually most evangelical churches focus on homosexuality and not so much on other sexual sins.
Perhaps they should take a step back. More discretion. In life the one's who shout the loudest are usually the secret guilty.
 
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The two oldest and biggest churches in the world would disagree. My own, the oldest and truest, especially would. Doesn't matter what people started to believe or teach almost 2000 years after the fact.

So what? Age is no guarantee of being right. Size is no guarantee of correctness. A recent belief or teaching isn’t false because it is recent.

Absolutely none of those qualities demonstrate those specific views on those subjects are doctrinally unsound.

You have been scooped by a dozen other denominations claiming to be the “truest.” I leave those very likely fallacious claims to you and them.
 
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This article looks at the trend that has been happening in American politics.

The Christian Right Is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

Mostly due to the Christian Right involvement in politics.

Which does lead to a larger issue, that houses of worship as no longer places where both sides in American politics can come together. There are fewer and fewer such places where liberals and conservatives can meet, and without them I can't see the current trend reversing.

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The liberals have always been as far away from the Christian right as they ever were. It's those who haven't been aware of that that think otherwise.
 
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So what? Age is no guarantee of being right. Size is no guarantee of correctness. A recent belief or teaching isn’t false because it is recent.

Absolutely none of those qualities demonstrate those specific views on those subjects are doctrinally unsound.

You have been scooped by a dozen other denominations claiming to be the “truest.” I leave those very likely fallacious claims to you and them.
Orthodoxy has been since the beginning, passed down by the apostles, and history is on our side. We are correct. Your new age stuff is not.
 
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