Our God The Consuming Fire
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The fact remains: our Father loses nothing, not remnant pieces of fish and bread, and most assuredly, the broken vessels for whom He has come as the Mercy Seat.
He is the propitiation for our sins>>>>>
AND NOT>>>>>
For our sins>>>>
ONLY
But for ALL the broken children of Adam 1!
The Lord Jesus Christ IS the Saviour of ALL mankind: His middle Name is Lēsoús, Saviour of ALL the broken children of Adam 1!
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In all seriousness though, if anyone hates the words of Christ, they hate Christ, it's simple as that. If most people can find a way to explain away the words of Christ, they will. I have not seen you do any such thing.
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Good grief! Snarky is a new definition for me. Irrational logic? What part is logic, what part irrational?
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Dear Marty: At the ripe age of 15, as miserable a teenager as ever lived, I heard the glad news of the Lord Jesus Christ for the very first time. The years have evaporated into history, that moment 62 years ago has only expanded into the outer laminar spheres of His unspeakable unknown.
How good He is, He is good all the time!
"Preach the Gospel always and sometimes use words" (especially around kids) -St Francis Assisi-
"There is none so blind who will not see." variation on a Proverb from John Heywood
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The question isn't whether God is salvation. He is. The question is why God claims many will reject him. As short as life here is, and knowing eternity is forever, why are you basically encouraging people to take a chance that you are right? Because the average response to universalism is for people to shrug and decide they are ok to live without God here if he is gonna fix them later anyway.
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He is so so good, unfortunately, not a lot of people realise that. They think they do, but the don't really know....yet!
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My friend the work of God is not based on chance. His plan in the Son of His love is not a giant heavenly gambling establishment of chance in any shape or form!
None of us are o.k. We must be fixed, and fixed we shall surely be!
I am come that you might have life and life more abundantly.
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Yes, ignoring what Jesus said warning about hell but instead opting for cherry-picking scriptures.
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Again, repetition does not make a falsehood true.
Matthew 7:14
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew 7:21
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
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Hello F L.
Yes, Songs is a beautiful book of our great King and Savior......
Did you notice the phrase "Daughters of Jerusalem" is used in only 1 verse of the entire NT?
Luke 23, before the divine destruction of 70AD Jerusalem as shown in the 70AD Olivet Discourse and Revelation
[of course you won't hear many fundie angelicals mention that]
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
"daughters of jerusalem" occurs 15 times in 14 verses in the NKJV.
Sng 1:4 [Luke 23:27-30]
Draw me away! The Daughters of Jerusalem
We will run after you.
The Shulamite
The king has brought me into his chambers.
The Daughters of Jerusalem
We will be glad and rejoice in you.
We will remember your love more than wine.
The Shulamite
Rightly do they love you.
Luke 23:
27 Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were. And grieve<ekoptonto <2875> and wailed<eqrhnoun <2354> over Him.
28 Being-turned yet toward them, Jesus said: "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-lamenting/klaiete <2799> upon Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye.
29 That behold! Are coming Days in which they shall be declaring 'happy are the barren-ones. and the wombs which not generate, and breasts which not suckle.
30 Then they shall be beginning to be saying to the Mountains: 'Be falling on us'!, and to the Hills 'Cover us'!
31 That if in this, the moist/ugrw <5200> wood/xulw <3586>, they are doing, in the dry/xhrw <3584> what may-be-becoming?
[Isaiah 4:4/Reve 18:19]
Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
Luke 23:30 "..Mountains fall on us, hills cover us.."
Revelation 6:
16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
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The siege of 70AD Jerusalem was indeed horrifying, but it fulfilled a plethora of OT and NT prophecies, proving to the 1st century Jews [and us today], that Jesus was indeed King and Savior......
Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted
History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are derived
Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.
In the depth or this horrible extremity,
a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror.
At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes.
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread
Matthew 24:19
Woe yet to those pregnant, and to those giving suck in those the days
Mark 13:17
Woe yet to those pregnant, and to those giving suck in those the days
Luke 21:23
Woe yet to those pregnant, and to those giving suck in those the days
for there shall be great distress on the land and wrath on this people;
Revelation 9:6
And in those days men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.
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Warnings about "Hell" -
In the OT, "Sheol" was translated as "Hell" about half the time. I took a close look and realized that when "Sheol" was tied to the real world by the context, it was rendered as "grave" or "pit." OTOH, if context allowed "Sheol" was rendered as "Hell." The KJV is not entirely consistent, however.
In the NT, "Hades" is translated as "Hell" about 90% of the time, and "Hades" is the best Greek equivalent of the Hebrew "Sheol." "Hades," however, brings in a whole load of pagan mythology. Since the Greeks came down from areas to the north of what we now call Greece, it is interesting to compare Hades with other old forms of the word from various areas of old/pagan Europe:
Old English – hel
Old Frisian – helle, hille
Old Saxon – hellja, hella
Middle Dutch – helle
Old High German – helle
Old Norse – hel, heljar
Gothic – halja
Original Teutonic - halja
The original meaning of all these versions is "to hide, to cover," which would include "grave." Not so long ago, and maybe some people still do this, if you lacked a cellar or root cellar, you might keep, say, potatoes by "helling" them. You would dig down to below the local frost line, lay down a layer of straw, then a layer of spuds, another layer of straw, and then the dirt you had dug out. My father told me about the practice, and the inference is obvious.
Moving on in the NT, we come across "Gehenna," changed to "Hell," 100% of the time...but wait - Gehenna is a place in the real world. You can even visit the place today! I see no need to repurpose Jesus' warnings about ending up in Gehenna as ECT. If you strip away the bad theology and bad translation, Jesus was merely telling His hearers that it was better to enter life (be born) blind, crippled, whatever, than to have all your limbs and faculties, yet live so badly that you were executed for crimes and denied a decent burial, your carcass then being tossed in Gehenna for the fires (natural fires) and worms. Anything else is a Damnationist overreach.
Lastly, we get to "Tartarus," used once, and again, a pagan, mythology-loaded Greek word. Of course the KJV and other versions render it as "Hell," but that simply muddies what was meant. I don't care to rest any theology on the single use of a word, so I'll say no more about that.
Two years of digging in the KJV, the OED, Strong's and Young's Concordances, and various historical sources have convinced me that the whole Hell theology is the false one. Note that during that two years, I avoided Universalist books, so as not to be biased. After all that, I suppose someone is going to tell me I cherry-picked...but no, I looked at EVERY book, chapter and verse in the KJV, and a full treatment of my findings runs to 200+ pages. Do you really want the long version?
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Yep............
Post 293
................Sounds a lot like this kind of Church...........
The Lake Of Fire
Reve 1:18 and the living One! And I became dead and behold! I am living into the Ages of the Ages amen. And I am having the Keys of the Hades and of the Death
touV aiwnaV <165> twn <3588> aiwnwn <165>
Reve 14:11 And the Smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages of Ages. And not they are having rest of Day and of Night the Ones worshipping the Beast ....................
eiV <1519> aiwnaV <165> aiwnwn <165>
Reve 19:3 and a second time They have declared "Hallelujah and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages"
eiV touV aiwnaV twn <3588> aiwnwn <165>
Reve 20:10 And the Devil, the one deceiving them, was cast into the Lake of the fire and of sulfur, the where also the Beast and the False-prophet. And they shall be being tormented of day and of night into the Ages of the Ages.
eiV <1519> touV <3588> aiwnaV <165> twn <3588> aiwnwn <165>
Reve 22:5 And night not is being there and need not they are having of a lamp and light of sun. That Lord the God shall be lighting them, and they shall reigning into the Ages of the Ages.
eiV <1519> touV <3588> aiwnaV <165> twn <3588> aiwnwn <165>
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