You're not a prophet? Then you're not mature!

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker,

In fact, whenever you or I examine the Scriptures it because, at that moment, we feel certain it is the right thing to do. That's conscience.

Ultimately conscience is our highest authority - really and truly it is our only authority, contrary to any nonsense-claim that Scripture is our only authority.

A_Thinker · Sep 17, 2019

JAL said:
Too vague.
Abraham heard a voice commanding him to kill his son. Heb 11 celebrated this kind of faith as a model for us all to follow. Which makes perfect sense for my epistemology (100% certainty). It doesn't make sense at all for the 'check it out with Scripture' view.

He didn't kill his son. He simply followed the leading of God.

A_Thinker · Sep 17, 2019

JAL said:
Nope, there is no exception to the rule of conscience.

Sounds like JALism to me. I'll stick with following Christ, thank-you ...

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker,

And the dynamics of conscience are good news. Without it, we wouldn't even have an inerrant Bible. Without a self-authenticating Voice, scripture itself would be the opinions of men, full of errors.

A_Thinker · Sep 17, 2019

JAL said:
This begs the question - who then authenticates the prophets?
At some point we need something self-authenticating.

God authenticates the prophets ...

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker said:
Sounds like JALism to me. I'll stick with following Christ, thank-you ...

As expected, you cannot find a single exception to the rule of conscience. Every day you follow conscience. This is Everybody-ism.

If everyone did the opposite of what their conscience is telling them, this world would self-destruct within a few hours!

A_Thinker · Sep 17, 2019

JAL said:
Ultimately conscience is our highest authority - really and truly it is our only authority, contrary to any nonsense-claim that Scripture is our only authority.

The conscience can be seared ...

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker said:
God authenticates the prophets ...

That's not an exception to the rule of conscience. You don't have one.

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker said:
The conscience can be seared ...

That's not an exception to the rule of conscience. You don't have one.

You do get that, right? Even a seared conscience must be heeded.

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker said:
He didn't kill his son. He simply followed the leading of God.

So he checked it out with Scripture? Is that how he authenticated the Voice commanding him to kill his son?

Obviously the Voice left him feeling certain that the slaughter was the right thing to do. That's conscience. And according to Hebrews 11, that's the paradigm for us all.

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker,

And that's how Adam and Eve authenticated the Voice? They checked it out with Scripture?

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker,

And when the Voice told Moses (and all Israel) to go SLAUGHTER seven nations to lay hold of Canaan, they checked it out with Scripture?

And when the Voice told Saul to SLAUGHTER all the Amalekites, he checked it out with Scripture?

A_Thinker · Sep 17, 2019

JAL said:
Obviously the Voice left him feeling certain that the slaughter was the right thing to do. That's conscience. And according to Hebrews 11, that's the paradigm for us all.

No ... but he trusted God ... and followed ALL of God's counsel to him.

For us, ALL of God's counsel includes previous revelation (i.e. scripture) ...

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker said:
No ... but he trusted God ... and followed ALL of God's counsel to him.

For us, ALL of God's counsel includes previous revelation (i.e. scripture) ...

These are just vague meaningless statements.

He acted in response to a Voice. A good man won't try to kill his son, saying, 'I wasn't 100% certain that was god's voice but let me kill him anyway."

He needed to feel certain - 100% certain - it was the right thing to do, that it was an authentic voice. Even if he had owned a bible, it could not have afforded him that degree of certainty.

But regardless, you have not found an exception to the rule of conscience.

topher694 · Sep 17, 2019

JAL said:
@topher694 - You can protest all you want that I'm overdoing it, and I think Andrew Murray would reply - how can we overdo love? Why would God NOT want to give us all the direct revelation needed to avoid harming our neighbor accidentally?

It is not love if you are claiming to operate in one principle of love while violating another. Love is patient and kind. You have been needlessly unkind to several people here. That's not love, regardless of the truth of your statements. It's only a resounding gong.

P. S. I don't care what Andrew Murray might say. I care what God says. Inner witness doesn't come from Andrew Murray.

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

A_Thinker,

Once you reject the rule of conscience, you've got nothing left. Earlier you talked about the use of miracles to authenticate. Fine - but the function of the miracles in that case would only be to cause us to feel certain that an act of God is at work. This is conscience. Thus no matter what kind of reply you give to any of these posts, everything you say will always confirm the rule of conscience.Therefore Sola Scriptura is total nonsense.

JAL · Sep 17, 2019

topher694 said:
It is not love if you are claiming to operate in one principle of love while violating another. Love is patient and kind. You have been needlessly unkind to several people here. That's not love, regardless of the truth of your statements. It's only a resounding gong.

P. S. I don't care what Andrew Murray might say. I care what God says. Inner witness doesn't come from Andrew Murray.

As expected. You ignored the core of the argument. Much easier to focus on ad hominum, right?

A_Thinker · Sep 17, 2019

JAL said:
These are just vague meaningless statements.

He acted in response to a Voice. A good man won't try to kill his son, saying, 'I wasn't 100% certain that was god's voice but let me kill him anyway."

He needed to feel certain - 100% certain - it was the right thing to do, that it was an authentic voice. Even if he had owned a bible, it could not have afforded him that degree of certainty.

But regardless, you have not found an exception to the rule of conscience.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion on this ...

A_Thinker · Sep 17, 2019

topher694 said:
It is not love if you are claiming to operate in one principle of love while violating another. Love is patient and kind. You have been needlessly unkind to several people here. That's not love, regardless of the truth of your statements. It's only a resounding gong.

... and it is a glaring sign of the weakness of his arguments.

Someone with a good well-founded argument does not need to resort to put-downs of his hearers.

I tried to convey that his ego was too involved in the very beginning of this (or another) discussion. He doesn't seem willing to sacrifice his ego for the truth ...

topher694 · Sep 17, 2019

JAL said:
As expected. You ignored the core of the argument. Much easier to focus on ad hominum, right?

Ummmm, I responded to the part YOU TAGGED ME IN.

And by the way your response is ad hominum

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