why do so many people believe we are on the narrow path?

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A con or a testing ground?
BOTH. The Gentiles conned us into thinking amalgamation of the Kingdom and governance of man was ok. Whereas seeing past this con and understanding that Jesus taught the opposite, separation of the two.. is the test of understanding of the Kingdom of God.
 
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perhaps He would not have had to have been crucified !?
Crucifixion was necessary to cement the concept of will of God over will of man. Had the flesh failed at this point the game would have been over and no King, Kingdom or resurrection.
 
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Crucifixion was necessary to cement the concept of will of God over will of man. Had the flesh failed at this point the game would have been over and no King, Kingdom or resurrection.

Yahuweh, Sovereign Creator, Giver of All Life, Filling the Universe and Beyond Eternally,

has always without ever any other way

had His Will as High as the Heavens are above the earth

higher than and over the will of man.

The crucifixion was Yahuweh and Yahushua's Way of Salvation/ Atonement/ Redemption,

but did not in any way "improve" (nor 'cement') His Will over the will of any created being.
 
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why do so many people believe we are on the narrow path?

Sometimes we experience it, especially in a secular environment: You end up being the odd one and realize you are on a narrow path.
 
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The crucifixion was Yahuweh and Yahushua's Way of Salvation/ Atonement/ Redemption,

but did not in any way "improve" (nor 'cement') His Will over the will of any created being.
Some do miss out on the concept that He did nothing of His own will but only of the Father. His teaching to us was after all just that. Reject our will over His as that is what got us kicked out of the Garden in the first place. Jesus not only showed that the flesh could overcome self will by accepting God's will over our own which allowed a helping hand, but gave us an example to follow.
 
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Sometimes we experience it, especially in a secular environment: You end up being the odd one and realize you are on a narrow path.
Was that you that wore the ballet costume to a Christening? :) Putting the will of God ahead of the will of man is often like that in man's world.
 
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Jesus not only showed that the flesh could overcome self will by accepting God's will over our own which allowed a helping hand, but gave us an example to follow.
Yahuweh provided for the self and the flesh (with all of its desires and lusts)
to be "crucified with Jesus",
not some way for the flesh nor the will of man to be overcome by any will power.
 
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Was that you that wore the ballet costume to a Christening? :) Putting the will of God ahead of the will of man is often like that in man's world.

Love the sense of humor...and it makes a great point.
 
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Yahuweh provided for the self and the flesh (with all of its desires and lusts)
to be "crucified with Jesus",
He provided as a result the Kingdom. You want in you have to make up your mind who has the better will, man or God. After thousands of years of expulsion from the Garden in order to learn the consequences of our self serving actions, you would think that would be clear by now. Sad Christianity avoids teaching that to avoid pointing out it's own failures at remaining separate from the governance oif man.
 
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Daniel 11:35
And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
 
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After thousands of years of expulsion from the Garden in order to learn the consequences of our self serving actions, you would think that would be clear by now.
No, I would not think that would be clear by now (to the world).

We (Ekklesia) did not "learn the consequences" from "thousands of years of expulsion from the Garden" nor thru anything of the flesh,
but rather learned from the Father what is the Truth, according to all of His Word, by faith through grace in Jesus , as written.
 
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No, I would not think that would be clear by now (to the world).

We (Ekklesia) did not "learn the consequences" from "thousands of years of expulsion from the Garden" nor thru anything of the flesh,
but rather learned from the Father what is the Truth, according to all of His Word, by faith through grace in Jesus , as written.
Then obviously the truth didn''t sink in or there would be a definite division due to the consequences being learned that our ways create more strife while God's reduces it.

Your words leave the door open to interpretation, Jesus' do not. Such has been the way of a religion bent on covering up it's tracks of renegade behaviour by doctrinal smoke.
 
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Then obviously the truth didn''t sink in or there would be a definite division due to the consequences being learned that our ways create more strife while God's reduces it.
No where in Scripture , nor in God's Revealed Plan and Purpose in Christ Jesus,

is it written nor stated that "the truth will sink in" for society at all,

until Jesus Returns.

Before then, only for the remnant to whom the Father reveals Salvation, as this is His Good Pleasure so to do.
 
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No where in Scripture , nor in God's Revealed Plan and Purpose in Christ Jesus,

is it written nor stated that "the truth will sink in" for society at all,

until Jesus Returns.
Then you are saying there were no teachers to pass along the Gospel of the Kingdom. Did they the earliest followers understand or parrot? The church parrots came later after the scripture was safely written down.
 
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Then you are saying there were no teachers to pass along the Gospel of the Kingdom. Did they the earliest followers understand or parrot? The church parrots came later after the scripture was safely written down.
Sorry, you made too many errors/ guesses or assumptions for me to reply to this.
 
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Sorry, you made too many errors/ guesses or assumptions for me to reply to this.
You are the one who said there was no understanding of the consequences of man's will compared to the results oif the will of God.
 
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Narrow is the way = full of difficulty or tribulation is the way.

22.21 θλίβωb: to cause someone to suffer trouble or hardship—‘to cause trouble to, to persecute, to cause to suffer hardship.’ ἀνταποδοῦναι τοῖς θλίβουσιν ὑμᾶς θλῖψιν ‘to bring suffering on those who make you suffer’ 2 Th 1:6; στενὴ ἡ πύλη καὶ τεθλιμμένη ἡ ὁδός ‘the gate is narrow and the way is difficult (to travel)’ Mt 7:14.

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 244). New York: United Bible Societies.
And narrow means Christ only for the way to God and eternal life.
The broad path includes many other false ways to find heaven and God.
 
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