Such "cooperation" is just another way of saying that we are saved by what we DO. That is works salvation.
[QUTOE]But there is always a condition.
The ONLY condition for eternal security is to be given eternal life. John 10:28. And the ONLY condition for receiving eternal life is to believe in Christ. John 5:24, 6;47, 1 John 5:11, 13.
Please quote any Scripture that says so.
When a person believes, they are changed forever:
1. born again. How can anyone UNdo that?
2. new creature. What verse says we revert back to old creature?
3. indwelling Holy Spirit. What verse teaches any NT believer can lose the Spirit? In fact, Eph 1:13,14 makes clear that "having believed", the believer is sealed with the Spirit, who is a deposit that GUARANTEES our inheritance for the day of redemption for God's possession (sealed believers).
Why can't you prove your opinion from Scripture; that losing salvation is a possibility.
Eph 1:13,14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22 refute your opinion.[/QUOTE]
freegrace,
1. Sorry, but works of obedient are requirements of God not our works to merit.
2. Romans 4:1-5 talks about justification of grace without works.
Christ work on the cross was all his own.
Doing good works to merit eternal life is the kind of work that will not save you.
Just because the Jews were of the same bloodline of Jesus earthly life and because of being God’s chosen nation cannot give you eternal life.
3. Justification by works in the act of salvation is faith without works is dead in James 2:17-26.
One has free will choice and can make a cognitive choice to serve God when the Holy Spirit has illuminated their need for the Savior to forgive them of their sins.
Paul said to believe in your heart and confess I your heart that Jesus died, was buried and rose again.
Believing and confessing are requirements of obedience.
Justification by works is the fruit that you have believed and confessed your sins. God knows the heart and when God knows the heart is wanting to choose God and has faith believing then only God can stamp the approval that a person is saved and only he can apply the blood to the person and wash away his sins.
This is the proper perspective on the difference of Justification by grace and Justification of Works.
Your salvation by works accusation because of cooperation is debunked by the scripture and is your keeping of the word “works” in your definition and context alone so you can claim to be right.
4. Eternal life is an eternal substance but the possession is not a guarantee and not a guarantee because we’ve received an eternal substance.
John 10:28 is one verse and is not the complete context.
Verse 27; My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me.
The condition is that the sheep hears his voice and follows him.
Verse 25 were unbelievers because they believed not.
The sheep are believers and in that state will never lose their salvation.
No man can pluck out the Father’s hand
because Christ secured his children.
This doesn’t mean that Christians can’t backslide, fall from grace to apostasy on their own accord of their own volition.
Also, Jesus is speaking to Israel who has an unconditional covenant to all be saved to receive the land and the Kingdom of Heaven reign. Receiving the unconditional covenant is conditioned by the nation receiving salvation Roman 11:29; the gifts and callings are without repentance. This is the covenant that will happen in the future Romans 11:25-29.
5. John 5:24 is true in the state of grace.
John 6:47 is true because it is God’s promise for those who are saved when one believes. Christ does his part but we have to cooperate with him by living Holy. This is God’s requirement for us.
Be ye holy for I am Holy.
6. 1 John 5:11,13; this shows that we can have assurance of salvation by being a Christian.
7. Christ has given us free will choice. The proof that Christians can sin shows that God will not force us to do do what we don’t want to do.
8. Born again? When a person changes masters is who he is servant to Romans 6:12.
It is us that that can depart from the faith not God 1 Timothy 4:1.
9. New creature reverting back to the old creature James 5:19-20.
James is talking to Christians that err from the truth and one conversation him he has converted the sinner from the error of his way and shall save a soul from death and shall hide a multitude of sins.
10. Indwelling Holy Spirit .
Ephesians 1:13-14. The Holy Spirit seals but salvation is not complete till our inheritance is purchased which will be when we have passed our test at the end of our life.
11. We can grieve the Holy Spirit despite being sealed. Nothing about eternal security in being sealed.
12. 2 Corinthians 1:22 says nothing about eternal security in being sealed unconditionally across the board.
13. I have already given you examples of those who were saved and lost their salvation but you refuse to believe the word.
You have refused to comment on the last post about I die daily and answer my question on the context.
You have no scripture for your position because you don’t understand context or how to reconcile the scriptures properly together in harmony.
Jerry Kelso
