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Racism requires power, minorities can be prejudiced against whites, but cannot be racist.
At the end of the day though both destroy the person. So maybe it's just semantics after all.

By that logic, if the population of blacks or latinos or asians outnumbers whites....then only that population can be racist and whites will only be prejudiced?

Or would you just change the definition again?

The university certainly has "power" in the case of the OP. They're definitely using their "power" to racially discriminate against whites. This example should meet anyone's definition of racism.
 
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I'm providing what I know from my experience. What Ploverwing described is what I have encountered with my black and female coworkers. They have expressed exactly the same feelings that Ploverwing described. If you don't want to accept that to be factual then that's your prerogative. I know from my experience it's factual and that's why a large corporation like mine does these kinds of events all the time. Literally several a month.

That's just racism.

If a white person were to tell you that they didn't take a job opportunity because there wasn't enough white people....what would you think?

If you asked that same person why it was so important for him to work with other whites....and he replied that he really can't relate to non-whites and they make him uncomfortable....

Would you think he's racist? Or would you think those were valid complaints?

I can say that too a certainty, that person is racist and he either needs to work on his racial biases....or stop complaining. An employer shouldn't empower racism by hiring people according to the preference of racists.
 
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Racism does require power, because it involves societal actions to segregate, and discriminate against the group. If you have no power to do these things, then you cannot be racist, it requires power, and it has to be at the societal level. However, not all whites individually are racist, and you can be white and hold prejudicial views about other groups, and not personally involve yourself in racist behavior. But racism cannot exist without the power to segregate, and discriminate against a group, and their is a lot to unpack when it comes to discrimination. Prejudice, though may be found in every person, and their views may mirror the racist, but at the societal level there is not much they can do because the simply lack the power.

That is a bizarre, but specifically individualized meaning of racism.

Racism is:

a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination
(Merriam)

the belief that some races are better than others, or the unfair treatment of someone because of his or her race...the [URL='https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/belief']belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races:[/URL]
(Cambridge)

a way of behaving or thinking that shows that you do not like or respect people who belong to races that are different from your own and that you believe your race is better than others
(Macmillian)
Behavior or conduct is not necessary for racism. Belief and thoughts, without action, can also qualify as racism.
 
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Racism requires power, minorities can be prejudiced against whites, but cannot be racist.
At the end of the day though both destroy the person. So maybe it's just semantics after all.
Racism does not require power, it requires hatred. If power were required, the KKK which no longer has power would be no longer a racist organization.
However, if power were required in order to be racist, there are plenty of minorities with power; we have minorities in literally every political and economical power position in this country. We had a two term black president! How could anybody possibly conclude minorities have no power?
 
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The courts, which are part of the government, have decreed that the 'white music awards' would be racist while the 'black music awards' are not. But please, feel free to keep ignoring that.
Which court said this? Obviously not the Supreme Court.
 
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Which court said this? Obviously not the Supreme Court.
I'm thinking there's a lot of the 70s, 80s, and 90s that you do not remember. Perhaps you weren't around then
 
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Racism does require power, because it involves societal actions to segregate, and discriminate against the group. If you have no power to do these things, then you cannot be racist,
So according to you none of the members of theKu Klux Klan are racist because they don't have that kind of power; right?


it requires power, and it has to be at the societal level.
Sounds like you are talking about "institutional racism" which is when a system is in place that is racist. This is different than a person who is racist.

However, not all whites individually are racist, and you can be white and hold prejudicial views about other groups, and not personally involve yourself in racist behavior. But racism cannot exist without the power to segregate, and discriminate against a group, and their is a lot to unpack when it comes to discrimination. Prejudice, though may be found in every person, and their views may mirror the racist, but at the societal level there is not much they can do because the simply lack the power.
Do you know of anybody who is racist according to your description of racism?
 
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Some of us believe racism is wrong in all its forms and call it out when we see it.

I understand that some people are comfortable with racism against whites....but they shouldn't get upset about people calling out institutional racism.
There was a time when whites promoted separate but equal philosophy institutionally.Maybe you have not the experience with that. I understand.I remember those times, when if people of color wanted exposure or higher education, they had to go out of their way(sometimes way out of their way) to get what they needed from black institutions.Funny thing is whites never complained that they were experiencing racism during that time.
 
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Some of us believe racism is wrong in all its forms and call it out when we see it.

I understand that some people are comfortable with racism against whites....but they shouldn't get upset about people calling out institutional racism.
Is there still institutional racism today? I define institutional racism as a system/institution in place that is racist, not an institution that has racist people a part of it that go against the rules of the institution in order to incorporate their personal racism. I would think the Civil Rights act of 1964 would have pretty much ended institutional racism. Do you know of any examples of it still around today?
 
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I've only ever met one white person. Most of us have pigment in our skin.
The funny thing is, Caucasian is not a race, so when you have a collection of so called whites, you actually have some serious diversity.
The more we talk about racism, the worse it gets, seems like. What we need is a color blind world. Who really cares what your background is? We all bleed red.
 
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There was a time when whites promoted separate but equal philosophy institutionally.

Sure, then the civil rights movement led to legislation ending those things. We had decided that judging people by their race was morally wrong.

What's the point you're trying to make?
 
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Is there still institutional racism today? I define institutional racism as a system/institution in place that is racist, not an institution that has racist people a part of it that go against the rules of the institution in order to incorporate their personal racism. I would think the Civil Rights act of 1964 would have pretty much ended institutional racism. Do you know of any examples of it still around today?

Check the OP.
 
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Sure, then the civil rights movement led to legislation ending those things. We had decided that judging people by their race was morally wrong.

What's the point you're trying to make?
My point 1.It did not end with legislation. 2.Morality cannot be legislated for it is a heart issue.3.Today we see people who would return to the practices of separate but equal ( which was truly separate but unequal). And I agree with you that judging people based on their race is morally wrong. Yet, things like this symposium ,imho, is an effort to level the playing field.
 
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I will never call a biological male a she and I will never call a biological female a he. There are only he's, she's, her, him, his, etc, according to the genitals you were born with. Nothing more and nothing less (outside of rare physical deformities). I don't care who it offends. I will not play make believe. And people ask, and so what if we called you something other than what you want to be called? To that I say, I don't care because I know what I am and it won't upset me because of that fact. But they get upset because deep down they know they're not the thing they pretend to be.
How will you know whether or not they are biologically male or female? Do you plan on checking everyone’s genitals?
 
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How will you know whether or not they are biologically male or female? Do you plan on checking everyone’s genitals?
A vast majority of the time you can tell.

Plus they're like vegans. They just have to tell everyone what they are.
 
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My point 1.It did not end with legislation.

What didn't?

2.Morality cannot be legislated for it is a heart issue.

Ok.

3.Today we see people who would return to the practices of separate but equal ( which was truly separate but unequal).

Like the OP?

And I agree with you that judging people based on their race is morally wrong. Yet, things like this symposium ,imho, is an effort to level the playing field.

By being racist? You believe racism caused this problem and racism can now fix it? Truly?
 
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That's just racism.
No, it's part of an effort to reduce and eliminate racism.

If a white person were to tell you that they didn't take a job opportunity because there wasn't enough white people....what would you think?
I don't know what that means - they didn't take a job opportunity because there weren't enough white people at the company? In the field? In the department? If a white person told me they didn't take a job because there weren't "enough white people" I'd say they are racist because there are plenty of white people in every job, field, company, position, etc. Yeah, they'd have to be pretty racist to say there aren't enough white people out there when there are tons of us all over the place.

If you asked that same person why it was so important for him to work with other whites....and he replied that he really can't relate to non-whites and they make him uncomfortable....
I'd be like "Wow you need more white people in your life despite being surrounded by a majority of white people? Tell me what severe problems you have from being white, because I'm a white person and I know I have way more privilege and almost no disadvantages because of my being white. This I gotta hear!" And I'd probably laugh at whatever they'd tell me because it would probably be a ridiculous explanation.

Would you think he's racist? Or would you think those were valid complaints?
I'd hear out his complaints first but I'm pretty sure they'd be completely invalid, insipid, inane complaints and I'd probably laugh at them and then set them straight.

I can say that too a certainty, that person is racist and he either needs to work on his racial biases....or stop complaining. An employer shouldn't empower racism by hiring people according to the preference of racists.
Yeah, I agree - any white person who says they have those problems is most likely racist and needs to work on those problems.
 
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They have literally told you they feel as if they do not "belong" in their specific profession because they do not see other minorities in that specific profession. They have told you a lack of, essentially, non-whites has them feeling as if they do not "belong" in the profession. That is what they have told you specifically?

I have certainly encountered the sentiment from minorities that they wished other minorities were in their profession for the purpose of having some common denominator when it came to life experiences. A commonality in life experiences to discuss with others, a commonality of values, upbringing, beliefs, etcetera, they can share and discuss with other minorities, that whites and Caucasians relate less to or cannot relate to at all. I have heard them express a sense of not "belonging" on that basis, but I have yet to encounter someone say they do not belong in a specific profession because of a lack of encountering minorities in the same profession.
Most of the ones already in the field have come to terms with feeling that they "belong", so most of them more question why they are the only one, what's going on that they're the only one (or two or ten). It's the people who have an interest in the field and investigate or are new to the field who question their "belonging". And many of them become discouraged and never start or transition to a different field. I've seen it happen.

We recently had about 3 huge socials, 3 weeks apart, that our top officer put together so we could mingle with everyone under our departmental umbrella and network and get to know each other better. About 130 people... One black guy, one black woman (who is an admin, not actually a "tech" person). The black guy, who I'm friends with, was making jokes about it - he always does. But he's right, and we all told him, "yeah, it's weird man, how are you still the only one? What the....?" I mean, what else can you say when it stares you in the face like that? It IS weird. Black people are what, over 10% of the population, but we have less than 1% in our group? Weird. Institutional racism.

And then my manager, the only female officer in our 130 person group. Other females are about 30, most of them are contract workers, not employees, and no other officer is female. Women make up roughly HALF the population and we have less than 1% represented?

Those numbers are crazy. It is undoubtedly institutional racism and sexism that's to blame. My manager has confided in me the things that she's seen and how it's perpetuated. That's why we have symposiums and events to encourage blacks and women primarily to become involved in tech.

It's not like "Oh, the Department is only 10% black" or "only 40% female" - no, it's like less than 1% black and less than 20% female with less than 1% female officers.

My company is a huge, conservative, Wall St. investment bank and they do this, even they recognize the imbalance.
 
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