Our churches today are far removed from the early church!

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It’s when you use the words”real divisions” that is just your opinion all division is still division and we see this in the early church all through history and today. Yes, in the last days wickedness will increase and many false Christ shall come. But there has been division that had to be addressed in the early church as Paul division 1 Corinthians.

Some examples of division in the early church,

1 Corinthians 11:18. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.19. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.”

Romans 16:17. Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

1 Corinthians 3:3. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?4. For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?5. Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?”
Carnal mindedness is not as bad as divisions caused by false doctrine
 
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Carnal mindedness is not as bad as divisions caused by false doctrine
Hello again, hope your having a good day, even though we seem to disagree on much I commend your zeal.

Divisions are carnal as Paul said

“...and divisions, are ye not carnal...”

And all false doctrine is carnal and causes divisions.
 
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Hello again, hope your having a good day, even though we seem to disagree on much I commend your zeal.

Divisions are carnal as Paul said

“...and divisions, are ye not carnal...”

And all false doctrine is carnal and causes divisions.
Possibly. Some are very mature spiritually yet have not all the truth.
 
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There were divisions in the early church as we read in scripture and all through church history. i think of the Catholic and protestant divisions for starters.

Divisions in the chruch started in the first century!

Jew vs. Gentile and then what Paul described in 1 Cor. :
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
 
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I never called anyone a non child.


You continue to make up lies about me and What I’ve said.

Why?


If we remain in Him, we have eternal life.

If we do not remain in Him, we will be cast into the fire and burned.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how we are instructed to remain “in Him”.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




JLB

Well you say people can lose their salvation- one becomes a child of God when one gets saved! 2 Cor. 5:17 et.al.

So to lose ones salvation would lead one to conclude that you teach one loses their sonship as well. That is why I asked you if you believe that? If not wehy not. How can one stay a child of God and not be saved?

John 15:6 IS PEOPLE WHO DO NOT ABIDE IN CHRIST! Not people who abide, not abide, abide, not abide.

Remember all believers abide in christ forever!

Colossians 3:2-4 King James Version (KJV)
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Well you threw 1 JOhn 3:24 so let me ask you

Which commandments?

How many times have you not kept His commandments? So how many times have you lost your salvation? Unless you are foolish enough to believe you have ceased from sin like others here who have bought Satans lie.
 
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You err, not knowing the scriptures.


Born again or born of God means you are a son of God.

Angels are sons of God.


If we are counted worthy to obtain the resurrection of life we will be like the angels as sons of God.


But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36

So are saying that when we become born again we become angels or are in the process of becoming angels?

Does that mean you think Jesus is an angel?





JLB
 
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The scriptures plainly teach us the truth.
I won't read one sentence more, to only disagree more;

PRO 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out.

We are CALLED to become kings and priests' which means most, who have their FIRE insurance, will never make it IMO.


1CO 2:6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;

I don't believe I have anything more to say to you; :wave::wave::wave:
 
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But the real divisions began in the 1800s with Dispensationalism and Pentecostalism in the 1900s.
A question for you, Dave ...

Why would Satan perform miracles,
which give all the glory to Jesus and the Father?


(Multitudes around the world have been born-again ...
as a result of the Truth of the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ
being confirmed by SWMs (signs, wonders, miracles).
 
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Divisions in the chruch started in the first century!

Jew vs. Gentile and then what Paul described in 1 Cor. :
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Yes I know I was just bringing up more divisions I think I posted some division verses in the New Testament as well
 
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A question for you, Dave ...

Why would Satan perform miracles,
which give all the glory to Jesus and the Father?


(Multitudes around the world have been born-again ...
as a result of the Truth of the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ
being confirmed by SWMs (signs, wonders, miracles).
What miracles?
 
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Divisions in the chruch started in the first century!

Jew vs. Gentile and then what Paul described in 1 Cor. :
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Denominationalism and strange new doctrines not heard of before the 1800s divide the Church the most. But the Ecumenical Creeds held the beliefs of the early church until rogue movements abandoned some or all of them.
 
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Denominationalism and strange new doctrines not heard of before the 1800s divide the Church the most. But the Ecumenical Creeds held the beliefs of the early church until rogue movements abandoned some or all of them.
There was denominationalism starting in the early church as we read in 1 Cor 1 and Galatians 2 etc.

There were many heresies starting in the early church a lot around the character and nature of Christ.
 
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There was denominationalism starting in the early church as we read in 1 Cor 1 and Galatians 2 etc.

There were many heresies starting in the early church a lot around the character and nature of Christ.
Not really. These were of the same local body.
 
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Not really. These were of the same local body.
I refer to these verses, they show clearly some kind of denominationalism.

1 Corinthians 1:12. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.13. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?”

1 Corinthians 3:3. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?4. For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?”

Galatians 2:7. But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;8. (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles ) 9. And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”

And there was sectarianism looming everywhere

1 Corinthians 12:25. That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.”

Schism-

from 4977; a split or gap ("schism"), literally or figuratively:--division, rent, schism.“
 
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I refer to these verses, they show clearly some kind of denominationalism.

1 Corinthians 1:12. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.13. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?”

1 Corinthians 3:3. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?4. For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?”

Galatians 2:7. But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;8. (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)9. And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”

And there was sectarianism looming everywhere

1 Corinthians 12:25. That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.”

Schism-

from 4977; a split or gap ("schism"), literally or figuratively:--division, rent, schism.“
They were in the same church. These were not denominations.
 
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They were in the same church. These were not denominations.
The word denomination (as I understand) means to make a name or a name. We see this name making in the Tower of Babel way back. Yes this ecumenical mystery Babylon will culminate in the last days but it has been around for a long time. All false religions are part of this Babel making denominations.

Genesis 11:4. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.”

Genesis 4:17. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.”
 
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Denominationalism and strange new doctrines not heard of before the 1800s divide the Church the most. But the Ecumenical Creeds held the beliefs of the early church until rogue movements abandoned some or all of them.

All of which were prophesied in Gods Word. but you have to take off the amillenial sunglasses to see the clear light of these warnings Jesus gave.

And you need to remember that from the 14th through the 19th centuries the divisions in the church (as those fleeing Romansim ) as they were very busy bringing Scripture back out in the open as it was suppressed for the millenium that used to be called the dark ages. That was when one sect held sway- govts. did that sects bidding and it was death to read the bible if you were not clergy!
 
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All of which were prophesied in Gods Word. but you have to take off the amillenial sunglasses to see the clear light of these warnings Jesus gave.

And you need to remember that from the 14th through the 19th centuries the divisions in the church (as those fleeing Romansim ) as they were very busy bringing Scripture back out in the open as it was suppressed for the millenium that used to be called the dark ages. That was when one sect held sway- govts. did that sects bidding and it was death to read the bible if you were not clergy!
Jesus is Amillennial. The Pharisees came up with the Millennium and he continually proved them wrong teaching the spiritual nature of the kingdom.
 
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