Is Shaking Under the Power of the Holy Spirit Demonic?

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It seems that many here are so filled with unbelief that they have lost contact with some basic truths.
Lk11v9And I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. 10For everyone asking receives; and the one seeking finds; and to the one knocking, it will be opened.

And if you seek God for the Holy Spirit, you get the Holy Spirit, not demons.

11And which father among you, if the son will ask for a fish, and instead of a fish, will give to him a serpent?
12Or also if he will ask for an egg, will he give to him a scorpion?
13Therefore if you, being evil, know to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father who is in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those asking Him!”


And in the previous chapter, Jesus reveals that by "serpents and scorpions" he was talking about evil spirits, demons.-
Lk10v19Behold, I give you the authority to tread upon "serpents and scorpions", and upon all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.

Those who constantly warn against many of the manifestations described so far, are standing squarely against God.
Your heavenly Father gives the Holy Spirit to those who ask.
Those insisting that it is another spirit are on very dangerous ground.
As I said previously, demons within believers may well manifest in reaction to the presence of God, just as the gospels show. These demons should obviously be discerned and thrown out.
But to claim that all reactions are wrong, fleshly, demonic, attention seeking, etc. just shows extreme ignorance
Agree people's bodies react differently to the power of the Holy Spirit.
God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
 
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The question I ask is there a presence of the Holy Spirit when it happens? I have seen this happen and it was of the flesh and I have seen it happen when the Holy Spirit was present and it was not of man's flesh.
Most of what I have seen today is that people fall under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
Whether it is genuine or not is not my place to say.
I have experienced the Holy Spirit's presence and broke out in laughter and couldn't stop until the anointing left. I had never laughed out loud in my life and had prayed and asked God for laughter in my life....and that night I was overcome with laughter...in fact everyone at the alter with me were soon overcome with it.
That's my only experience....it wasn't shaking but it was powerful!
Laughter is a normal human response to joy. There are times when we get so filled with the joy of the Lord, we want to laugh. It bubbles up from within us and it is a wonderful experience. I think that we keep on laughing when the joy is within us, not because we can't stop, because we always have perfect control of ourselves, but we don't want to stop.

When I have sensed the joy of the Spirit in me, I get the giggles, and it is usually when He shows me some wonderful insight into His word, or when I pray for someone and they come through to victory.

Joy is a fruit of the Spirit, and also is self control. When the two are together, it is a real blessing. When the flesh takes over, self control goes, and that's when you see the out of control silly laughter accompanied with other kundalini type manifestations.
 
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why is there jerking and shaking in worship services?

I believe this to be a form of hysteria (sometimes mass hysteria) induced by an extremely heightened emotional state. I doubt that it has anything to do with a spiritual experience.
Certainly nothing like any spiritual experience referred to in the New Testament. If the Corinthians, who were given to excesses in their worship services, were manifesting the jerking and shaking, Paul would have mentioned it in 1 Corinthians, but he didn't. All he did was to draw attention to their inappropriate use of tongues, and set them straight on that.

So we can conclude that there was no jerking or shaking in the Corinthian meetings. It seems that there were no such manifestations in any of the other churches either, so we can conclude that there were no excesses in those churches as far as emotional or bodily manifestations were concerned.

So, any manifestation that is not referred to or supported in the New Testament is not of the Holy Spirit, but rather of the flesh.
 
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Laughter is a normal human response to joy. There are times when we get so filled with the joy of the Lord, we want to laugh. It bubbles up from within us and it is a wonderful experience. I think that we keep on laughing when the joy is within us, not because we can't stop, because we always have perfect control of ourselves, but we don't want to stop.
Agreed
When I have sensed the joy of the Spirit in me, I get the giggles, and it is usually when He shows me some wonderful insight into His word, or when I pray for someone and they come through to victory.
Agreed
Joy is a fruit of the Spirit, and also is self control. When the two are together, it is a real blessing.
Agreed
When the flesh takes over, self control goes, and that's when you see the out of control silly laughter accompanied with other kundalini type manifestations.
Now in one sweep you are judging all others because they are not exactly like you.
To other more sober Christians, your manifestations could be entirely demonic.
 
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Certainly nothing like any spiritual experience referred to in the New Testament. If the Corinthians, who were given to excesses in their worship services, were manifesting the jerking and shaking, Paul would have mentioned it in 1 Corinthians, but he didn't. All he did was to draw attention to their inappropriate use of tongues, and set them straight on that.
You are now fully judged by the judgement you constantly throw at anyone here whose experience differs to yours.
There is no mention in Acts2 of the giggles you described in post No62-
There are times when we get so filled with the joy of the Lord, we want to laugh. It bubbles up from within us and it is a wonderful experience. I think that we keep on laughing when the joy is within us, not because we can't stop, because we always have perfect control of ourselves, but we don't want to stop.
Show me where your above description is specifically mentioned in Acts or by Paul.
So we can conclude that there was no jerking or shaking in the Corinthian meetings. It seems that there were no such manifestations in any of the other churches either, so we can conclude that there were no excesses in those churches as far as emotional or bodily manifestations were concerned.
And no laughing either! Absence of evidence, is absolutely no evidence of absence!
Your analysis of the scriptures is deeply flawed.
So, any manifestation that is not referred to or supported in the New Testament is not of the Holy Spirit, but rather of the flesh.
Hohoho. Just be honest Oscarr, you don't like it, so it must be wrong!
 
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why is there jerking and shaking in worship services?

I believe this to be a form of hysteria (sometimes mass hysteria) induced by an extremely heightened emotional state. I doubt that it has anything to do with a spiritual experience.
Apart from the odd visit here and there, I haven't been to church for over a decade. So when I reach out to the Lord for an infilling of the Holy Spirit at home with my wife, it cannot be called mass hysteria.
Yet I quake or shake in His presence, and not from fear or conviction of sin, but just because His spirit overwhelms me.
 
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Would the HS find it easier to influence believers or non-believers. If a man of God was approached by an evil spirit would it find it self easier to influence believers or non-believers.

The question remains, which spirit is it and what does the scripture say about tempting God?
 
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Would the HS find it easier to influence believers or non-believers. If a man of God was approached by an evil spirit would it find it self easier to influence believers or non-believers.

The question remains, which spirit is it and what does the scripture say about tempting God?
The Lord has already answered this.-
Lk11v11And which father among you, if the son will ask for a fish, and instead of a fish, will give to him a serpent? 12Or also if he will ask for an egg, will he give to him a scorpion? 13Therefore if you, being evil, know to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father who is in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask!

If anyone asks for the Holy Spirit, they get the Holy Spirit.
To claim otherwise is utterly foolish.
 
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why is there jerking and shaking in worship services?
Why do people stand up , sit down, raise their hands, and turn around at times ?
Some are true. Some are false. They are all people..
 
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Agreed

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Now in one sweep you are judging all others because they are not exactly like you.
To other more sober Christians, your manifestations could be entirely demonic.
All I am doing is linking joy with self control, which are both fruit of the Spirit and one must co-exist with the other, otherwise it is not in the Spirit but in the flesh.

The only power that is mentioned in the New Testament is the gospel of Christ which leads to salvation to those who believe. Therefore, everything that the Spirit does in and through believers is for the purpose of getting sinners out of hell and into heaven.

Any activity or manifestation that does not involve that purpose is allowing the steam to go out the whistle instead of through the driving wheels.
 
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You are now fully judged by the judgement you constantly throw at anyone here whose experience differs to yours.
There is no mention in Acts2 of the giggles you described in post No62-

Show me where your above description is specifically mentioned in Acts or by Paul.

And no laughing either! Absence of evidence, is absolutely no evidence of absence!
Your analysis of the scriptures is deeply flawed.

Hohoho. Just be honest Oscarr, you don't like it, so it must be wrong!
Paul says that everything must be done decently and in order, and that the fruit of the Spirit involves the necessary component of self control. Where there is no self control in religious manifestations and activity there is no Holy Spirit.

I could have stopped laughing at any time, I was in complete control, and when the joy subsided and there was work to be done to minister to others, I stopped laughing and got on with the job.

The problem is when people can't stop with the laughing, jerking, and shaking, and fail to get on with the job of ministering to those who need it, because they are too involved in their self-indulgence to even see that there are souls to be saved and needy people to be ministered to.

I would rather see one soul saved than have all the personal manifestations under the sun!
 
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All I am doing is linking joy with self control, which are both fruit of the Spirit and one must co-exist with the other, otherwise it is not in the Spirit but in the flesh.
I was once (challenged to find the catch as an investigator) privy to and yes, a recipient of a wave that went through an arena at one of those gatherings. It was like an epiphany of understanding that passed over us, which in itself might be logical, but in reality turned out to be a false letting go of will, as the motive was to sell soul in order to gain worldly power, a common business concept or familiar to those in prosperity churches.

The 'spell' was strong, but like anything not of God, it was false and did not last in those not happy with the self serving ways of man who would rather sell soul to the will of God. To the others id was the key to untold riches within the world of man. They felt they had been found worthy of receiving 'the secret'.

The idea of giving something up was sound but the direction was wrong. That is how the Adversary works. Offers truth but misdirects. It may however appeal to those who do follow those ways of man, seeing it as a message from God.
 
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All I am doing is linking joy with self control, which are both fruit of the Spirit and one must co-exist with the other, otherwise it is not in the Spirit but in the flesh.
No you are not.
You are pouring sourness over people whose experience is different to yours.
Who set you up as judge and jury!
The only power that is mentioned in the New Testament is the gospel of Christ which leads to salvation to those who believe. Therefore, everything that the Spirit does in and through believers is for the purpose of getting sinners out of hell and into heaven.
No its not.
The Holy Spirit does things for the shear joy of interacting with his children.
If you haven't experienced that, then its sad for you.
Any activity or manifestation that does not involve that purpose is allowing the steam to go out the whistle instead of through the driving wheels.
So how does your laughing gets people to heaven.
 
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Paul says that everything must be done decently and in order, and that the fruit of the Spirit involves the necessary component of self control. Where there is no self control in religious manifestations and activity there is no Holy Spirit.
Yet more oversized presumption, that nobody exhibits self control but Oscarr!
I could have stopped laughing at any time, I was in complete control, and when the joy subsided and there was work to be done to minister to others, I stopped laughing and got on with the job.
Indeed.
Do you think you are the only one capable of doing that?
The problem is when people can't stop with the laughing, jerking, and shaking, and fail to get on with the job of ministering to those who need it, because they are too involved in their self-indulgence to even see that there are souls to be saved and needy people to be ministered to.
This is self contradictory nonsense Oscarr.
If its self indulgent to enjoy what the Spirit is doing, then they must be able to stop.
If they have no power to stop, it cannot possibly be self indulgence.
Make your mind up Oscarr.
But its typical of your constant attacks. to label as self indulgent. anyone whose experience is different to you.
How do you know this as fact, and not just your own pride and judgement at work.

The OP was a simple question.
why is there jerking and shaking in worship services?
You have stretched it way beyond that simple question in order to create straw man arguments against anyone who reacts differently to you, as if you are the measure of all righteousness.

I would rather see one soul saved than have all the personal manifestations under the sun!
Yes Martha.
Some of us prefer to sit at the feet of Jesus, enjoying His Spirit flooding through us and renewing us.
 
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Why do people stand up , sit down, raise their hands, and turn around at times ?
Some are true. Some are false. They are all people..
Excellent.
Virtually everything seen and done in church, is never found in scripture
 
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