HOW ARE ELDERS APPOINTED IN OUR ASSEMBLY TODAY ?

Check out the rules and regulations for the church you belong to.

The church I attend has elders for spiritual oversight of the church. They nominate new members who are then elected by the congragation.
For practical matters we have deacons, any one can nominate a deacon, they have to have a percentage of vote to be nominated and again the congragation gets to elect or not those on the ballot slip.

Dan Perez said:

Hi and the rules are FUZZY to me !!

I believe that the HOLY SPIRIT gives all believers a gift !!

Then if a believer , believes 1 Tim 3:1 and REACHES / OREGO for that office , then Acts 20:28 , says that the HOLY SPIRIT appoints that individual , an ELDER !!

No where have I yet to find that the assembly appoint Elders or DEACON !!

I am still looking and eyes are tried !!

dan p

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If the church you attend has a sey of rules about the appointment of elders and deacons and you don't understand them, ask the pastor to explain them to you.
Ask also for him to explain how the rules relate to the bible.

Dan Perez said:

Hi and they seem to want only to protect their position of power !!

They also seem to turn a blind eye to all of the people that have LEFT and then sell the property for millions !!

I am accountable to my owner to be at my engine lathe to produce parts for my company BUT when I ask pastor to be accountable for his time , the Pastor said he was INSULTED !!

I tried to keep my voice low and said that he was also accountable for his time !!

There are Elder Boards , that the Pastor is held accountable and has write how his DAY WENT !!

dan p

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Is it your job to check up on the guy on the machine next to you?
Is it your job to be chasing the minister about how he uses his time?

If you have grounds you should talk to the elders.
I know our minister has meetings two or three times a week in the eveenings. Time when most people are relaxing at home. He also does a lot of research, reading to prepare for his sermons.
So it is quite possible to meet him in town durring the day, or to see him having coffee while reading a book.
You have set hours of work and will be chased if found going out for coffee. It doesn't work that way for ministers.

If you are not satisfied all you can do is move church, where you will encounter the same problem.

This is indeed an interesting question. But what does it have to do with Dispensationalism?

Dan Perez said:

Hi Biblewriter ,



Hi Biblewriter , because in the BODY OF CHRIST we have PASTORS , ELDERS and DEACONS and how are they appointed ??

Paul and those persons were appointed in late Acts and the best verse that addressbnthis problem is in Act 14:23 , Acts 20:28 and 1 Tim 3:1 and this is a real problem in our assembly , TODAY as I write !

One ELDER controls what is done , right or wrong !!

In a big assembly near us , this well known Pastor had to record his activity DAILY 11

dan p

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You cannot show me even one scripture that authorises us to appoint elders for the church, because there is none. They were indeed appointed for the church, but never by the church. And they were never appointed by other elders. Elders simply are not authorized to appoint others as elders. The concept cannot be found in the scriptures.

And the concept of a single super-elder, called a Pastor, who rules over the other elders, is simply missing form scripture in its entirety.

Deacons, on the other hand, were indeed appointed by the church.

Dan Perez said:

Hi Biblewriter and here is a verse , and just give what you believe it means ?

I believe that 1 Tim 3:1 is the first clue , then Acts 14:23 !!

Acts 14:23 says :

#1 they ordained , AORIST TENSE

#2 , PRAYED , AORIST TENSE

#3 COMMENDED , AORIST TENSE

#4 , THEY BELIEVED in the PLUPERFECT so this is the one verse that I believe , lays down how they were appointed !!

This is how I defend their appointment and next Sunday , the 15 is our special meeting JUST to explain my position and other issues in our assembly !!

dan p

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Are you saying that the fact that Apostles ordained elders mean we have the authority to do the same?

You are neglecting the fact that in the scriptures, Elders were ALWAYS appointed FOR the church, never BY the church. And NO scripture authorizes mere Elders to appoint others as Elders.

Dan Perez said:

Hi and the rules are FUZZY to me !!

I believe that the HOLY SPIRIT gives all believers a gift !!

Then if a believer , believes 1 Tim 3:1 and REACHES / OREGO for that office , then Acts 20:28 , says that the HOLY SPIRIT appoints that individual , an ELDER !!

No where have I yet to find that the assembly appoint Elders or DEACON !!

I am still looking and eyes are tried !!

dan p

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The above is a Dispensational issue. As such, it has to be studied as such.

Meaning, it should be studied throughout the whole of Scripture - how it worked where Israel was concerned; how it worked with Israel within early Acts; as well as how it worked within the early Body, and how that compares to how it worked within Israel within early Acts; what similarities and differences each had; how the process of selecting such individuals may have changed and been impacted by what, as the Body's own Dispensation matured and some things gave way to other things, and so on.

A Greek tense can only go so far, if at all, in helping one arrive at an answer to what is often an issue or subject requiring a much more in-depth study throughout the Scripture.

2 Tim. 2:15-18

Dan Perez said:

Hi and the rules are FUZZY to me !!

I believe that the HOLY SPIRIT gives all believers a gift !!

Then if a believer , believes 1 Tim 3:1 and REACHES / OREGO for that office , then Acts 20:28 , says that the HOLY SPIRIT appoints that individual , an ELDER !!

No where have I yet to find that the assembly appoint Elders or DEACON !!

I am still looking and eyes are tried !!

dan p

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Dan Perez said:

This is how I defend their appointment and next Sunday , the 15 is our special meeting JUST to explain my position and other issues in our assembly !!

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Sounds to me like the order has been given: Full Steam Ahead.

Question: what if one individual in the assembly objects to your stated position and injects that they have spent 200 hours searching the Bible for guidance in this matter and disagrees with you one how the assembly installs elders. What then do you?

The HARD TRUTH is, that the scriptures simply do not authorize ANYONE to appoint elders. They only tell us how to recognize the elders God has appointed.

Biblewriter said:

The HARD TRUTH is, that the scriptures simply do not authorize ANYONE to appoint elders. They only tell us how to recognize the elders God has appointed.

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Your comment about God's role in said appointments only highlights why this is an issue that has to be studied Dispensationally.

Because how one thing or another works may or may not only change from one Dispensation to another, but within a particular Dispensation itself, including God's and or the Spirit's role in one aspect of things or another.

2 Tim. 2:15-18.

Dan Perez said:

Hi and the rules are FUZZY to me !!

I believe that the HOLY SPIRIT gives all believers a gift !!

Then if a believer , believes 1 Tim 3:1 and REACHES / OREGO for that office , then Acts 20:28 , says that the HOLY SPIRIT appoints that individual , an ELDER !!

No where have I yet to find that the assembly appoint Elders or DEACON !!

I am still looking and eyes are tried !!

dan p

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DP, I hope you are well, these days...

A thought...

Your stated belief that the Spirit gives a Believer the desire that Paul is speaking of in 1 Tim. 3:1 is just that- your belief.

And it's a belief that renders Paul's words in 1 Tim. 3:1 as some sort of a guessing at on Paul's part; a guessing at I highly doubt had been the case, for Paul had had direct access to the Lord, Acts 26:16.

Of course, you and I will differ on this one. The Mid-Acts you hold with has continued to hold to the teaching that God still gifts men, Eph. 4:11. In contrast, the Mid-Acts I hold to does not, 2 Tim. 3:16, 17.

Like I've said, this is a Dispensational issue. As such, it needs to be studied out as one.

As you know, in Scripture, those things that differ, are not the same, 2 Tim. 2:15-18.

Biblewriter said:

This is indeed an interesting question. But what does it have to do with Dispensationalism?

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If Dispensationalism is true, which it is not, then there are no elders today. Does that answer your question?

The Boxer said:

If Dispensationalism is true, which it is not, then there are no elders today. Does that answer your question?

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I find it perplexing how you even could come up with that conclusion.