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Well with repenting for sins against man, you could go on forever, but if you really mean it in your heart about sins against God, you will be motivated to do what is right as far as God goes, and then if you follow that, you will be motivated to treat your fellow man as yourself. But the big problem is that as a human being , you and other human beings are not perfect, and conflicts arise between us and others.

God on the other hand is the same today as He was yesterday and will be the same tomorrow, a loving God who is NOT set to pounce on our every move, but Jesus is accepting of us and delight s in our worship of Him, He is very patient with us, He has an eternity to wait for us to change, we do not.

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Yes lot of dictionaries have changed the meaning of certain words far from the original.


(Just for interest sake) According to Strong's dictionary this is what repent means in Greek in the New testament:

G3340 μετανοέω metanoeo (me-ta-no-e'-ō) v.
1. to have a change of mind and heart, i.e. to reconsider and relent.
2. (morally) to have remorse and repent.
[from G3326 and G3539]
KJV: repent
Root(s): G3326, G3539
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Well with repenting for sins against man, you could go on forever, but if you really mean it in your heart about sins against God, you will be motivated to do what is right as far as God goes, and then if you follow that, you will be motivated to treat your fellow man as yourself. But the big problem is that as a human being , you and other human beings are not perfect, and conflicts arise between us and others.

God on the other hand is the same today as He was yesterday and will be the same tomorrow, a loving God who is NOT set to pounce on our every move, but Jesus is accepting of us and delight s in our worship of Him, He is very patient with us, He has an eternity to wait for us to change, we do not.

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Hey Russ, Do me a favor and read my post #12 and tell me if there is anything in it you do not believe.
 
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When Jerusalem was conquered they burned the city down so the people could not return to their homes. They had to go and find a new home in a new country.
The first century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus wrote about the Roman army circling the city during the Passover Festival when many thousands were in the city for a required religious observance. People were starving as they could not go out to bring in more food. The Romans used catapults and battering rams. After months of siege and thousands dead of starvation, the Romans broke through the wall in 70 AD. They captured the young and strong and sent them to another part of the empire to serve as slaves. They killed the injured and weak. They looted and set fire to the city.

This is not the meaning of repentance.
 
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This is not the meaning of repentance.
Yes this IS the meaning. They could not return back to the city of Jerusalem. It was almost 2,000 years before they once again took control of the city.
 
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But the big problem is that as a human being , you and other human beings are not perfect, and conflicts arise between us and others.
To be perfected means to be mature and to produce fruit: Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness & Self Control. If we do not produce fruit worthy of repentance then we are cut down and thrown into the fire. Matthew 3:8 "Produce fruit worthy of repentance." Matthew 7:19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."
 
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I believe that "epiphany" came from God.
What do you think your relationship will be with him in Heaven. Of course in Heaven we do not have our flesh, only our spiritual body. So our relationships there will be spiritual and not fleshly. Here we have hormones like oxyticin that controls the way we feel.
 
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What do you think your relationship will be with him in Heaven. Of course in Heaven we do not have our flesh, only our spiritual body. So our relationships there will be spiritual and not fleshly. Here we have hormones like oxyticin that controls the way we feel.

1 Corinthians 13 tells us what our relationship will be like with God. (Or are you talking about my lover?)

12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
 
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1 Corinthians 13 tells us what our relationship will be like with God. (Or are you talking about my lover?)
Yes, I had a girlfriend I was engaged to and when we broke the engagement she did not want to be friends anymore. So I am wondering when I get to Heaven what sort of a relationship will I have with her.
 
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Yes, I had a girlfriend I was engaged to and when we broke the engagement she did not want to be friends anymore. So I am wondering when I get to Heaven what sort of a relationship will I have with her.

You will know her but not in an in-love relationship. As far as my lover, he didn't even believe in God, so unfortunately I doubt he will be there. But for me, I believe we will not remember those who didn't make heaven. There will be no more tears or grief.
 
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I believe we will not remember those who didn't make heaven.
Rev 22:1,2 "Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, producing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations."

I heard we will be cleansed of all of that in the River of life. Our friends will take us there so we can be refreshed and renewed. Either by going in the river or eating the fruit of the tree of life.

We have no physical body in Heaven. So we do not have physical passions. I think we still have spiritual passions. Jesus teaches us to pray: "Thy Kingdom Come, They Will be Done, on Earth as it is in Heaven". So I do think about what sort of relationships we will have with people in Heaven compared to our relationships here on Earth.

There will be no more tears
Our tear are in a bottle in Heaven. One of the first things my son did when he want to heaven was to go see the bottle of tears I shed for him. Maybe not actual tears but the sorrow we feel for our loved ones. Of course he was touched by that, even though there are plenty of people that have shed a lot more tears than me.
 
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If you run the generic google search on the definition of repent we are told: "feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin." This is not what repent means. Repent means to turn away from your sin.

I think turning away from sin is the consequence of repentance, not repentance itself. God "repents" in the Old Testament more than anyone else. Was He turning away from sin when He repented? Obviously not. But He did change His mind about things. And this, I believe, is the essence of repentance: changing one's thinking. If I turn away from my sin, there has been a chain of thinking that has prompted me to do so. I don't just turn away from sin (or turn to holy living) for no reason. Generally, I have some sort of rationale for making changes in how I behave. This is certainly what is evident in those instances in Scripture where God "repents" or changes His mind. He never acts capriciously, or arbitrarily, when He does so. There is always a reason for His deciding to make changes to the things He did or intended to do.

I've observed believers attempting to make changes to their sinful behaviour without having actually repented, that is, changed their thinking about it. They aren't clear, for example, about what lies they adopted that were integral to bringing them into sin and so they have not rooted out those lies from their thinking. All they know is that they ought to be more holy, more righteous, and so they determine to forsake their sin. The lies remain, however, influencing their thinking, and in time produce more sinful fruit. In such a case, I don't think repentance has actually occurred. There has been no true, comprehensive change of the thinking that has brought the person into sin.

Sometimes, too, a believer has an association between a sinful practice and an activity, or place, or person that they have not consciously recognized. And so, when they resolve to forsake the sinful practice and set about to do so, they find their efforts sabotaged by this association about which they are not consciously aware. The believer has not spent any time analyzing the thinking and attendant influences that have produced his sin and so when he attempts to forsake his sin, he is unable to do so consistently over time. Proper repentance requires the sort of prayerful analysis of the thinking and influences that have produced one's sin so that they may be torn down and/or avoided. (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)

For example, a man struggling with correcting his foul mouth, hangs around people who are using foul language constantly. They are his friends and he has grown so used to their coarse talk that he doesn't notice it. It never occurs to him that they contribute to his inability to curb his own use of profanity and to halt his foolish and sinful jesting. He has not spent any time thinking through why he has such a foul mouth and so he is not able to properly repent of the sin he's trying to eradicate. His thinking about his foul talking, about its wrongness, may have changed, but if he has not changed in his thinking toward directly-related influences, he is not likely to succeed in forsaking his sin.

In light of these things, I am always careful in discipling men to distinguish the effects of repentance from repentance itself. It is very easy, since there is significant overlap of these things, to conflate them.

There are two Hebrew letters, one represents fire or to devour. A more ancient meaning of the letter is teeth or to devour. The other letter represents tent, or house or dwelling. During the civil war it was not uncommon to burn the plantation homes down. So the the people could not go back to slavery, because their home no longer existed. When Jerusalem was conquered they burned the city down so the people could not return to their homes. They had to go and find a new home in a new country. It was not until after the Holocaust that they were given their land back and able to return to the ancient city.

Going back to the root meaning of a word is not always helpful since language is always in a state of evolution, of change. Living languages are dynamic, absorbing new concepts, shifting in word-meaning, expanding and contracting in the number of words commonly in use. It is a mistake, then, to expect that how a word is used in Scripture is always related to the word's root or original meaning.

I am sure what is going to follow this post is a lot of people trying to promote their opinion of what repent means. So this post should soon become an example of the diversity we can expect.

You don't seem to have any problem with promoting your own opinion of what the word "repentance" means...
 
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Yes this IS the meaning. They could not return back to the city of Jerusalem. It was almost 2,000 years before they once again took control of the city.
When I was 21 or 22 I smoked marijuana. When I was 22 I repented and never smoked marijuana again.

People who lost their homes and are poor have a chance in the name of Jesus. They do not need Jerusalem in order to be saved. They do not need the Temple sacrifice.

God desires mercy and not sacrifice. (Hosea 6:6)

God does not live in buildings made by human hands. (Acts 7:48)
 
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They do not need Jerusalem in order to be saved.
Actually we do. Everything begins in Jerusalem.

They do not need the Temple sacrifice.
We need to sacrifice in the same way that Jesus sacrificed Himself for us. We need to do what the temple sacrifices represented. For example we do not need to circumcise the flesh, but we do need circumcision of the heart. If our heart is NOT circumcised before God then we well not have acceptance with Him.
 
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conflicts arise between us and others.
Even though there are no conflicts with others in Heaven. Which could indicate that conflicts are a part of our flesh. We do not have a physical body in Heaven, only a spiritual body.
 
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Actually we do. Everything begins in Jerusalem.

We need to sacrifice in the same way that Jesus sacrificed Himself for us. We need to do what the temple sacrifices represented. For example we do not need to circumcise the flesh, but we do need circumcision of the heart. If our heart is NOT circumcised before God then we well not have acceptance with Him.
I think you mean we need to change our minds for better more than do unnecessary surgery in an attempt to reach God.
 
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I think you mean we need to change our minds for better more
Interesting that you should bring that up because Jesus did add the word: "mind". We do not see that in what Moses wrote.

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." (Matthew 22:37)

"And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength". Deuteronomy 6:5

When Moses said: "circumcise your hearts", he was talking about the mind as well as the heart.

"The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and all your soul, so that you may live". Deut 30:6
 
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Interesting that you should bring that up because Jesus did add the word: "mind". We do not see that in what Moses wrote.

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." (Matthew 22:37)

"And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength". Deuteronomy 6:5

When Moses said: "circumcise your hearts", he was talking about the mind as well as the heart.

"The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and all your soul, so that you may live". Deut 30:6
The ancient Egyptians thought the heart was the center of thought. They preserved the heart in a jar for burial. When they mummified the body, they discarded the brains as they did not know their function.

The ancient Jews did not know heart surgery. They could not cut (circumcise) the heart.
 
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The ancient Jews did not know heart surgery.
Most of the medicine at the time was primitive by today's standards. They could fix a broken bone from a work related accident. There are Egyptian medical books available from that period of time when Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible.
 
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