"THE TIME IS NIGH AT HAND" AND "COMING IN SWIFTNESS" REVELATION 1st century Jerusalem 70ad

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These 2 verses used the exact same form of #1448 as Luke 21:20 concerning the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem.

This means the parousia of Jesus occurred in 70ad IF, Luke 21 is talking about 7

1 Peter 4:7
And of all things the end hath come nigh/hggiken <1448> (5758)
be sober-minded, then, and watch unto the prayers,

James 5:8

be ye patient!, also stand-fast! the hearts of ye,
that the parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

This is interesting. The exact form of the word #1448 used in 1 Peter 4 and James 5 is also used in Luke 21:20

Luke 21:20 -
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies,
then know that Her desolation is nigh/hggiken <1448> (5758).

Revelation 1:3

Blessed the one reading, and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it having been Written, for the Time Is-Near/egguV <1451>.

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this. That the Time Is-near/egguV <1451>

Other verses it occurs:

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)

G1448 ἐγγίζω ἤγγικεν — 12x

Matthew 4:17 -

From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for
the kingdom of heaven is at hand<1448>.

Mark 1:15 -
and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand<1448>.
Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

Luke 10:11 -
‘The very dust of your city which clings to us[fn] we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near<1448> you.’

Romans 13:12
the night did advance, and the day came nigh<1448>;
let us lay aside, therefore, the works of the darkness, and let us put on the armour of the light;
 
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I thought I would carry these posts from another thread to this one:
claninja said:
Right. Which is exactly my point. You don't take "near" or "soon" to mean "near" or "soon", even though that's what the words mean, but interpret it to mean something different: 2000+ years because God doesn't live in time based on another Bible verse.
Actually, we do indeed take both "near" and "soon" to mean exactly what God said. These are relative terms. And I answer, relative to what? You insist it is relative to mankind, and I answer it is relative to God. So we indeed take these words to literally mean what they actually said.

But an explicit statement of a period of time is not a relative term. To change an explicit statement of time, stated six times over in just six verses, into a relative term, is to claim it does not mean what it actually said.
Yet you have no scriptural mandate to do that.

Everytime scripture speaks about a time frame relevant to the fulfillment of prophesy, it is given to be understood by how time relates to men, NOT how time relates to God.

Philippians 2:19
But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state.

Are you waiting for Timothy's SOON arrival to YOU?
When are you expecting Ol'e Tim to show up?
Tomorrow? Next Week? Next Month, next year?
Certainly "shortly" can't go beyond YOUR lifetime, if in fact this passage is written to and for YOU, right?

Is not this God Breathed scripture written TO and FOR you?
Are you, not the "you" in this passage to whom the HS has directed and inspired Paul to address this passage to?

If not why not?
Is not the Holy Spirit, through Paul, telling YOU in this passage that He Hopes Jesus will send Timothy to YOU Shortly??

Or, do you say this scripture ONLY relates, and is only applicable, to the 1st century Phillippians, and that Shortly, means, well... Shortly, as they understood it in human terms back then?

Genesis 7:1-4. There, God told Noah:

Enter the ark, you and all your household; for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time [generation]. You shall take with you of ever clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female; also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth. For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot our from the face of the land every living thing that I have made.

There are several things in this passage that should be noted. First, this is a prophecy of judgment. Secondly, God declared when the judgment, i.e., the rain, would start. Thirdly, He stated how long the rain would last. Fourthly, God spoke this to Noah, a man trapped in time. God was very specific as to when the rain would begin and to how long it would last. God told Noah that after seven days it would rain for forty days and nights. Now, our first question regarding this passage is not how we should interpret what God said, but how would Noah interpret what God said. Would he understand that God was outside time? That is to say, the references that God made concerning when the judgment would come were to be measured by how time relates to God? Applying the futurist’s interpretation of 2 Peter 3:8-9to this passage, was God telling Noah that after 7,000 years it would begin to rain and once it started raining, it would continue for 40,000 years? Or should the plain, everyday definitions of the terms be understood? We find our answer in verse’s 10 and 12:

And it came about after the seven days, that the water of the flood came upon the earth¼ And the rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights.

Here, just a few short verses later, we have the fulfillment of that prophecy. This shows us that God meant exactly what He said to Noah. Seven days equaled seven days. Forty days and nights equaled forty days and nights.

In Ezekiel 12:21-28, it is written:

Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, "Son of man, what is this proverb you people have concerning the land of Israel, saying, ‘The days are long and every vision fails?’ Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, "I will make this proverb cease so that they will no longer use it as a proverb in Israel." But tell them, "The days a draw near as well as the fulfillment of every vision. For there will no longer be any false vision or flattering divination within the house of Israel. For I the Lord shall speak, and whatever word I speak will be performed. It will no longer be delayed, for in you days, O rebellious house, I shall speak the word and perform it," declares the Lord God.’ " Furthermore, the word of the Lord came to me saying, "Son of man, behold, the house of Israel is saying, ‘The vision that he sees is for many years from now, and he prophesies of times far off.’ Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, "None of My words will be delayed any longer. Whatever word I speak will be performed," ’ " declares the Lord God.

In this passage the nation of Israel said that the time statements of God’s word were irrelevant.

This is exactly what the futurist claims about the time statements concerning the coming of Christ in the first century. They say, just like Israel, "Those passages were not for the original audience but were ‘for many years from now’ and for ‘times far off.’ " But notice what God thinks about that kind of hermeneutic. God said, "None of My words will be delayed any longer. Whatever word I speak will be performed." He stated that He would say the word and He would perform it. Again, notice the implication of that statement. God Himself fulfills His word. When we try and say that the imminent time statements in the New Testament concerning Christ’s coming in the first century are really "for many years from now," i.e., our time, we are saying that God will not fulfill His word! So the real issue here is not just differences of interpretation concerning eschatology, but the nature and character of God. If the futurist is correct in his interpretation and application new testament time imminency statements (of which there are over 100), then God is made out to be a liar because He will not fulfill His word when He said He would. Plain and simple. If the futurist is correct, then we might as well be atheists because God Himself cannot even be trusted, and then we are lost. Why? Because, if God is dishonest concerning when He would fulfill His word, how do we know He was honest concerning the doctrines of Grace? Or anything else for that matter? It’s simple. We don’t. So, again, this is much more than just a difference of interpretation. Our salvation depends on God keeping every aspect of His word. Including when He was to fulfill it.

Conclusion

1. By letting scripture interpret Scripture, we can see that when God gives a time statement regarding when prophecy would be fulfilled, unless instructed otherwise, the plain meaning of the terms should be used.

2. By using historical documentation we can see that prophecies were fulfilled exactly when God said they would be.

3. That God Himself fulfills His word. And if He doesn’t fulfill it when He said He would, then "we are of all men most miserable."

Therefore, we have a historical, and more importantly, a Biblical interpretation of the time statements of prophecy. Unless otherwise stated, God intended the time statements of prophecy to be interpreted in their plain, everyday meaning. God is faithful to His word. He ALWAYS fulfills it WHEN He said He would.
 
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We have the benefit of hindsight. There HAS been nearly 2000 years since Jesus commenced His Ministry on earth. Luke 13:32....and on the third Day, I shall receive My reward. That is: His Millennium Kingdom.

So for us, today; the time is nigh and at hand.
We should all, as Bible prophecy studiers, know about and be prepared for dramatic events soon to happen. WE are: the generation that will see it all.

And that truth is proved by the world situation as we see it now. Iran and their proxies WILL attack Israel, they are just waiting for the right moment. This attack with nuke missiles will provoke the Lord's Day of wrath; the terrible worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal, with its cosmic and earthly effects. Psalms 11:4-6, Jeremiah 49:35-36
 
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ebedmelech said: To try and make Revelation chronological, is to put the book in total disarray. Revelation is more repetitive than chronological. Visions are presented from different views.
Luke 21:7 Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 22:6

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
1096. ginomai a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb;
to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled,.................................
G1096 γίνομαι (ginomai), occurs 709 times in 636 verses [31 verses in Revelation]


Revelation 1:1
An unveiling/revealing of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him,
which-things is binding to be becoming<1096> In<en<1722> Swiftness<tacei<5034>.

Revelation 22:6
And said to me: "These the Words Faithful and True. And Lord, the GOD of the spirits of the holy Prophets commissions the messenger of Him to show to the bond-servents of Him
which-things is binding to be becoming<1096> In<en<1722> Swiftness<tacei<5034>.


Revelation 1:3

Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written<1125>
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>

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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matt 24:3 "full end/consummation of the age"


Luke 21
7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!when then shall these be being?
And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?

and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and consummation<4930> of the Age?

Mark 13

3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own

4 Tell us! when these shall be?

and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be consummated<4931>.
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Luke 21:31 Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing These-things becoming ye are knowing that nigh<egguV<1451> is the Kingdom of the God.

James 5:8 be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>

be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,
 
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Revelation 1:1
An-un-covering-revealing of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him,
which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
Revelation 22:6
And said to me: "These, the Words Faithful and True.
And Lord, the GOD of the spirits of the holy Prophets, commissions the messenger of Him to show to the bond-servents of Him
which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.

Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading, and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and the keepings in it having been Written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
for the Time is NIGH AT HAND/egguV <1451>.
Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of this Scroll,
For the Time Is NIGH AT HAND/egguV <1451>

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

4331. proseggizo from 4314 and 1448;
to approach near:--come nigh.
1448. eggizo from 1451;
to make near, i.e. (reflexively) approach:--approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh.
1451. eggus from a primary verb agcho
(to squeeze or throttle; akin to the base of 43);
near (literally or figuratively, of place or time):--from , at hand, near, nigh (at hand, unto), ready.
1452. egguteron neuter of the comparative of 1451;
nearer:--nearer.
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Study on those Greek words at this site:

https://www.preteristarchive.com/0000_geiser_greek-words.html
Greek Word Studies: Time Substantives

By Charles Geiser

There are at least five Greek terms denoting relative time factors in regards to "near future" events prophesied to take place within the first century milieu or genea (see Matthew 24:34).

We think that many who have skirted the topic of Bible prophecy, or gone much further into it in their studies, may believe that those who have accepted a preterist chronology are isolated and very much in the minority. thus, we have done some research into several terms and have comments from a few lexicographers which may reveal some concepts heretofore unknown to some.

Enguteron

This adverb is a hapax, i.e., found only once in the New Testament. It is translated "nearer" in the King James Version in Romans 13:11b. An interesting observation first, however, is that in 13:11a, "high time" in the King James Version should read translated, "and this, knowing the time, it is now an HOUR for you to be raised out of sleep," hoti hoora eedee humas ex hupnou egertheenai.... Compare John in writing his first epistle a few years later from Romans, "young children, a last hour it is," paidia, eschatee hoora estin...
While Jesus was on earth He said, "marvel not at this, because is coming an hour in which all the ones in the tombs will hear the voice of him and will come forth the (ones) the good things having done to a resurrection of life, the (ones) the evil things having done to a resurrection of judgment" (John 5:28, 29). In sequence then, in that first century setting, Jesus said an hour was coming.
Paul says 28 years later it is now an hour for the Roman saints to be raised out of sleep, and John a few years after that said it was the last hour.

Thus, we have this time element with the term hoora or hour indicating nearness and agreeing very well with Romans 13:11b. As mentioned, this adverb is derived from another adverb engus (next in our study), being a comparative in usage (Harper, Thayer, Vine, Liddel & Scott, and Arndt & Gingrich, under the term).
The rendering here is favored by the word order in Romans 13:11b, "Salvation is nearer to us than when we believed."

"The reference is apparently to the Lord's second coming, rather than to future glory" (Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament, p. 747)."More specifically, eschatology now gives greater intensity to the exhortation, so that one occasionally speaks of a watchman's cry" (E. Kasemann, Commentary on Romans, p. 362; comments on 11-14; compare J. Weiss, "Beitrage," 245; Michel; Balz, TDNT, VIII, 554). "Certainly it is apparent here (Romans 13:11, CG) that imminent expectation was originally the basis of Christian admonition" (Grabner-Haider, Paraklese, 108ff.).

We suggest that the salvation of the Roman saints was nearer than when they first believed because the second advent, the establishment of the kingdom of Christ, the resurrection of the dead, and the judgment day (compare Romans 13:12a) were all nearer in collation to the fall of Jerusalem in A.D.70 (look at Luke 21:28-32; Greek translation of Hebrews 1:14).

Engus

This adverb is variously translated "nigh," "near," at hand," "nigh at hand," "from," and "ready" in the King James Version. It is found some thirty times in the New Testament.
It is "nigh" in such places as Matthew 24:32; Mark 13:29; Luke 19:11; John 6:4; Acts 9:38; Romans 10:8; Hebrews 6:8.
It is translated "at hand" in Matthew 26:18; John 2:13; 7:2; Philippians 4:5; Revelation 1:3; 22:10.
It is "near" in Matthew 24:33; Mark 13:28; John 3:23; 11:54.
It is "nigh at hand" in Luke 21:30,31; John 11:55; 19:42.
"From" in Acts 1:12; and "ready" in Hebrews 8:13b (this last passage literally becomes "(is) near vanishing" in reference to the first covenant or diatheekee.

Harper's Greek Lexicon says the term translates "near" (p.111). Liddell & Scott says "of time, nigh at hand" (p.189). Thayer remarks under the term that "it concerns things imminent and soon to come to pass.
"Summer," Matthew 24:32; Mark 13:28; Luke 21:30.
Of the coming crucifixion, Matthew 26:18. (Writer's note: does this term giving us "near" mean the same in Revelation 22:10 as it does in Matthew 26:18?
No doubt about it in the Matthew passage, why doubt in Revelation passage?) Of the kingdom of God, Luke 21:21 (apply Luke 21:31 with Mark 9:1 and Matthew 16:27,28 rather than Mark 9:1 with Acts 2!) In reference to time, Revelation 1:3c.
Of the near advent of persons: of Christ's return from heaven, ho kurios engus, Philippians 4:5.
With the addition epi thurais, at the door ("it"), Matthew 24:33; Mark 13:29.
Near to being cursed, engus kataras, Hebrews 6:8.
Soon to vanish (the covenant), aphanismou, Hebrews 8:13 (Thayer, Greek Lexicon, pp. 164,165).

"The term with echon (Acts 1:12), present participle neuter of echoo, to have, R.V., 'nigh unto...off' (KJV 'from' nigh unto' with reference to death, Philippians 2:27) is the neuter of the adjective parapleesios, near, nearly resembling" (Vine, New Testament Words, under "Hand," "nigh," "Near," "Ready").

Arndt & Gingrich on a few passages: of the parousia, Philippians 4:5; compare I Clement 21:3.
"The word is close to you," engus sou to hreema estin, explained by what follows, Romans 10:8. "At (your) very door," engus epi thurais, Matthew 24:33; Mark 13:29 (Greek Lexicon, p.213).
"Drawing nigh" (John 6:19) is literally "becoming nigh" (Wycliff, "to be made next to the boat"). Romans 10:8 to Vincent, "very nigh thee is the word."
Hebrews 8:13 would read, "is nigh unto vanishing" (referring to the first covenant). the whole phrase would translate "but that which is becoming old and waxing aged is nigh unto vanishing" (see Vincent, Word Studies, under all verses under "Engus," II).
 
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