I called it 'planet' Eden because you say it is apart from the Earth. I don't know where you are placing it, moon, asteroid, heavenly realm. If you have a better description I'll begin using it.
seriously?!? are you messing with me?
Where is heaven? is there also a planet heaven? if Heaven is a city ( as described in several places in scripture) how is (according to your logic) not part of the earth?
Or do you not believe in the city of Heaven as the bible describes it... Now in Heaven could then not eden be a park? or Garden? Ever been to NYC? what is the most prominent land mass in the whole city? (Hint it's 100xs larger than any building)
Yes central park which is or contains many gardens... (strawberry fields is one nearest were lennon was shot)
How is it so hard for you to imagine a garden not of the terrestrial world and yet believe in the God who resides in heaven? The Grand city of God... yet without any parks or gardens..
Let's do it your way.. God creates a garden. let's say it is on the world/apart of the earth
(just because you can not wrap your mind around the idea of a God who can create the earth is not able to create a garden space beyond a planetary setting, so fine let's go wit that)
Let's say the tigris and the euphrates where the tigris and euphrates of genesis and let's ignore the fact there is no other geological evidence of the other two rivers the bible describes ever been in the area. let say it is there and the garden there anyway was and is a well defined gps-able plot of land.
Where are the markers God left to ensure man would never set foot in the garden again? You know what Im feeling very generous today let's say it was some metaphors for the desert sand or the heat or whatever.
The whole of chapter two describes the garden being started mid day day 2 and completed mid day chapter three. in this alone means the garden was special and separate from the rest of creation even if it had a gpsable/set position on this earth you could occupy today. this 1 fact alone makes the garden of eden different/set apart/holy because God gave it special attention and completed it before the rest of the planet per Chapter 1. he also took time and rested in the Garden. Again makes it seperate and set apart.
Now if eden was not a seperate holy place why was adam cast out to work the ground? why cast him out? he placed a angel to guard the tree but if the garden was of the earth then again why the effort to remove him from a arbitrary boarder? only to allow anyne else with a gps to find it again or even live there? Please where is the sense of that? especially when God declared man shall never set foot in the garden again... So me a spot on dry land where we do not have foot prints.
The fact of the matter was Eden was a holy Place God himself walked in. Can't say it was not holy because that is kinda the definition of the word in that it is set apart for God/God's use.
Which means Adam went from being a holy being and in whatever way allowed him to be holy (being made of mud) and to live in the garden with God and not be consumed by his holiness Died. Just as God said he would.
The Bible doesn't speak about souless people being made,
show me where God took day 6 man is breathed into him a living soul as day 2 man received.
chapter 1 day 6:
26 Then God said, “Now let’s make humans who will be like us. They will rule over all the fish in the sea and the birds in the air. They will rule over all the large animals and all the little things that crawl on the earth.”
27 So God created humans in his own image. He created them to be like himself. He created them male and female. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Have many children. Fill the earth and take control of it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the air. Rule over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
chapter 2: day2:
6 but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And Jehovah God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
so you add this doctrine when you say "Adam was given a soul, and man out side the garden was just given a likness, IE genetic compatibility with Adam's family." (#54)
If you believe your telling is the only correct telling then yes from that perspective I did add it.
However (now read this and don't ignore it because it is not something you wish to hear)
However I did not add anything to the bible. your perspective is not recorded in the bible. understand that. therefore your perspective is not canon. (neither is mine)
Day 6 man as the account above shows never was given or made a living soul. This is something genesis 2 man was given his name was adam and God created him and the garden apart from the rest of creation. Meaning the garden and everything in it was complete by the end of day 3 while the rest of the earth took 4 more days.
Again just so the truth can be told again I do not add day 6 man does not get a soul. I point out a soul was made into day2 chapter 2 adam, and no such thing was given to day 6 chapter 1 man who was made with the rest of the earth part from the garden. My bible says this, your bible says this all bibles say this..
Who doesn't say this? your brand of christianity which you seem to have trouble deciding where your religious beliefs begin and where the bible ends. Meaning it seem you think your religious/denominational beliefs are the same as scripture. Scripture does not award day 6 man a soul, even if your branch of christianity does.
(this explanation also accounts for all of the races in that man made out side the garden was diverse and did not have a single point of origin as the fossil record and DNA proves.)
I don't follow your dilemma here where you say either God lied and Adam died once, or, Adam died twice contrary to Hebrews 9:27. If you think God lied you will have to explain yourself competently (ex. grammer, scholarship, language etc)
I point out Adam was hand crafted by God himself from mud.
Is this the typical make up of a homosapeian? No?!?!
So I point out you were not as Adam was in the garden. This alone excludes adam from hebrews 9:27
Plus what of enoch? He did not die God loved him so much he was simply transformed and taken up. What of the raptured? do they die?
Like it or not there are many examples of where men are born and not given to die or even come back unless you are saying Christ never resurected anyone.
If adam where any other joe smoe I would be inclined to lump him in with hebrews 9, but even you have to admit he is a special case.
Where we was a bog monster or human flesh, he would not have been the only one not given to live once and die.
but lets say that is the only difference between you two. (what died was made of mud and what is given once to live and dies in you is flesh and bone)
now is mud genetically compatible with human means of reproduction? Can you have sex with a pile of mud and produce offspring?
I'm saying while in the garden Adam was a mud based creature. (Different that what you are now) what ever "mud is" no one else is made from it not even eve.
Meaning That creature made of mud upon eating of the fruit died. and what was left was exiled onto terrafirma. once he was placed here... his clock on his 930 year prison sentence as a homo sapien began.
As far as your need to measure "fallacies.." (yeah i know but the other spelling breaks the rules) if all of your grammar, scholarship, language etc can not biblically refute my position and you have to result in a ad hom attack that has you pointing to your pedigree as a way to discredit me personally, so as to be able to dismiss my body of work... then what good are those things you want to measure? If I am wrong and you can not show me biblically (make no mistake you have not/you've shown where my theory conflicts with your denominational beliefs but not bible) Then what is the point of those things you prize and wish to measure men by?
who needs a doctorate to point out that there is no time line between gen 2 and gen three?
who need to be able to afford a high end school to show gen 2 is a garden narrative that begins on mid day 2 and ends mid day 3, resulting in that everything in the chapter happened in that time line?
Does one need 20+ years in the ministry to point out day 2 Adam is recorded has having been made a living soul, but no such claim was given to man/men made on day 6.
I like to think myself as one of the foolish lowly things God likes to use to show up the wise and learned of this world. (plus I have already mentioned my credentials at some point.)
again.. I am not changing a word of the bible. just how it is traditionally read. Nothing I say adds to the scripture nor takes it away. i simply show how the bible is big enough to assimilate the whole of evolutionary theory, again without changing a word.
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